Comments on: What is the point of UKIP?

By: Joseph Alan Jones

Joseph Alan Jones — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:41:37 +0000

I am afraid that it does not seem to be clear to our corespondents what their problem is. They are ‘lily livered’, If they were in the trenches they would need to feel the pressure of a revolver barrel in their backs before they would go over the top. as it is, as they are drowning in the Euro cesspit they will then be screaming for help. Sorry, there isn’t any!

By: T Jenkins-Browne

T Jenkins-Browne — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:28:18 +0000

And just how much would it cost UKIP – or a Conservative government a la Redwood – to repatriate the 500,000+ British ex-pats who now live in Europe?

At an average of, lets say, fifty thousand pounds per person – and I'm being generous it could well be much more – UKIP (and you, Mr Redwood, if you had your way) would cost UK taxpayers 2.5 billion pounds.

At least.

Reply: What a ridiculous comment! I have no wish to repatriate them and the EU would be unable to force that.

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By: Richard Lee

Richard Lee — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:00:35 +0000

Conservatives should take time and see what UKIP are saying about fighting Conservatives:
http://www.ukiphome.com/comments.asp?sid=735

"We should be working now, in every possible seat where our votes could result in a defeat for a Conservative candidate.

This will help Labour and the LibDems this one time"

and

"If we do this, then for one more Labour term, there will be the real chance of a Tory split"

and on the Epping Forest Borough Council by election Grange Hill ward 14 December 2006:
http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/about15916-0-asc-…

"…By winning this seat the Tories gained control of the Council which they were denied by our standing in another ward in May,when the long term incumbent and Eastern Regional Assembly member for Theydon Bois ward was ousted by 23 votes.UKIP took 136 votes having never stood there before.Had we had the notice of the Grange Hill by election in time we WOULD have stood and I'm confident that we would have denied the Tories success."

I think these comments show what UKIPs game really is. Not to campaign to get Britain to withdraw from the EU.

Oh no – their aim is to defeat Conservative candidates and get Labour and Liberal Democrat candidates to win. Their long term aim is to split the Conservatives. What a pathetic waste of space and a waste of good votes. They are betraying everybody who votes for them.

By: Haddock

Haddock — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:16:23 +0000

One would struggle to find the Conservative "best and fiercest critics" doing anything, in Europe or in this parliament. You have a country seething with anger at the corruption of Government, seething at having multiculturalism and political correctness forced upon them, seething at uncontrolled immigration and furious at the pandering to islam. There is an open goal for any opposition, for God's sake oppose… or roll over, get out of the way, and let a party with some balls get on with getting this country back to being an independent nation. Be realistic, the UK will have no real influence in Europe until France leaves it or pigs fly. I will vote UKIP, they could not be worse in opposition than the Conservative Party even if they have but one MP.
An ex-conservative voter since Wilson destroyed by idealism.

By: Neal

Neal — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:04:24 +0000

Ah, the longest post here is deriding UKIP. All those voters opting for a party that aims to do what they want done, to actually represent them, must really sting. Doesn't Cameron understand that after nine years of it, people are becoming a little tired of spin and waffle?

By: steve shackleton

steve shackleton — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:02:41 +0000

sorry john, as a long time conservative voterm the yse of UKIP, is to ultimately replace the new social democratic conservative party as the focus for the free market, free trade, anti Eu, pro world section of the population.

With your parties current acceptancec of standard socialist prhetoric and policies the sooner this happens the better, we currently have the three largest parties as varieties of the same nig goverment sociliast parties, respect and the BHP as hard left socialists, so the country beeds a "right" wing party (bad description).

I would have thought that you of all people would realise that a conservative party in power enacting socialist policies is no use to the country or the conservatives left within your party.

Remember the promise to leave the Epp? lots of backbone there

By: Robert

Robert — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:56:39 +0000

The same is true for many of politics. Whilst to the connoisseurs and the patriots the question of constitutional arrangements is fundamental, because it determines how all other matters are settled or resolved, to most voters the constitutional issue is unimportant. They are more preoccupied by their Council Tax Bill or by how long they have to wait to get a hip operation.

John,

The above quote seems rather patronising to me. It hints that difficult ideological issues should be left to the elites who can understand them, while the masses who cannot grasp the argument are merely placated with bribes.

The examples you give of political issues – the constitutional, and public services – are not mutually exclusive. Just because people are concerned for the tangible changes to their own lives, that does not mean that they cannot concern themselves with the more ideological issues over the constitution. In fact, I would go so far as to say that they should worry about these things.

Democracy should be more than electing people to think for us.

By: Shelia Eldon

Shelia Eldon — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:17:05 +0000

One problem seems to be the Tories failiure to acknowledge the differences between their stance and UKIP's. As everyone has pointed out already, the difference is quite clear but I have very rarely seen a Tory putting forward strong arguments for the EU, instead they pander to the Eurosceptics with anti-EU rhetoric but no sensible actions. John, rather than using the same old moans (too much interference, too much bureaucracy) about the EU why aren't you putting forward constructive arguments for the UK's membership in a reformed Union – which is apparently the Tory line.

By: UKIP MAN

UKIP MAN — Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:37:55 +0000

Its called democracy, you vote for who you want to win.

you vote for the people that say what the mean and mean what they say.