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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to see how the rape statement can be misinterpreted for political gain and newspaper sales. Like in sexual politics it&#039;s often best to stop digging. 
Looks like Vernon Coaker  and his chums are the bunny boilers though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s easy to see how the rape statement can be misinterpreted for political gain and newspaper sales. Like in sexual politics it&#039;s often best to stop digging.<br />
Looks like Vernon Coaker  and his chums are the bunny boilers though. </p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-835</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good god! 
 
Your Reply to my first post: &quot;Please read the blog. I made it very clear that if a woman says No </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good god! </p>
<p>Your Reply to my first post: &quot;Please read the blog. I made it very clear that if a woman says No </p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr redwood, 
 
While i wont disagree that there is a difference between date rape and stranger rape to characterise the former as a disagreement between lovers is at best unfortunate and at worst inflamatory. 
 
Yes, in the real world there is some measure of implied consent between those in a long term relationship, but rape is an exceedingly complex issue, and date rape doubly so. How long have the two known each other, are they &quot;a couple&quot;, have they had sex before, is there a history of violence or other abuse? These and many other questions become important when the attacker and victim know each other, and to not talk about these complexities does you, the victims of these crimes and those wrongfully accused a disservice. 
 
You are appear to be a well educated fellow, and i assume well advised about posts such as these.  You must have known that statements like this would gain attention beyond your normal blog readers. 
 
To those getting tired of the labour party but still without trust in the tories such statements appear cynical and attention grabbing, especially when there are MANY other less contentious cases of over criminalisation of society some of which you deal with in this post. 
 
reply: Please do not misinterpret what I wrote. I think anyone ignoring a woman&#039;s &quot;No&quot; should be prosecuted for rape. I was drawing attention to the many cases where courts find there was no rape, where the courts regard it as a disagreement between lovers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr redwood, </p>
<p>While i wont disagree that there is a difference between date rape and stranger rape to characterise the former as a disagreement between lovers is at best unfortunate and at worst inflamatory. </p>
<p>Yes, in the real world there is some measure of implied consent between those in a long term relationship, but rape is an exceedingly complex issue, and date rape doubly so. How long have the two known each other, are they &quot;a couple&quot;, have they had sex before, is there a history of violence or other abuse? These and many other questions become important when the attacker and victim know each other, and to not talk about these complexities does you, the victims of these crimes and those wrongfully accused a disservice. </p>
<p>You are appear to be a well educated fellow, and i assume well advised about posts such as these.  You must have known that statements like this would gain attention beyond your normal blog readers. </p>
<p>To those getting tired of the labour party but still without trust in the tories such statements appear cynical and attention grabbing, especially when there are MANY other less contentious cases of over criminalisation of society some of which you deal with in this post. </p>
<p>reply: Please do not misinterpret what I wrote. I think anyone ignoring a woman&#039;s &quot;No&quot; should be prosecuted for rape. I was drawing attention to the many cases where courts find there was no rape, where the courts regard it as a disagreement between lovers. </p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Redwood, you should be praised for at least speaking some common sense. 
 
Whilst I do not agree with everything you have said in your career, you do make some valid points, particularly in regards to rape.  Please go one step further and demand that women be punished harshy for false allegations and, also, please make the distinction between REPORTED rapes and ACTUAL rapes. 
 
Not all reported rapes are legitimate, and juries often see through lying women, especially ones who falsely accuse ex partners to get them out of the family home or famous persons (footballers) through blackmail. 
 
Perhaps you could make this point when you are questioned in public, as it needs saying, and there are a lot of young men (first time voters) like myself who are at college, who want to see MP&#039;s stand for matters concerning males. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Redwood, you should be praised for at least speaking some common sense. </p>
<p>Whilst I do not agree with everything you have said in your career, you do make some valid points, particularly in regards to rape.  Please go one step further and demand that women be punished harshy for false allegations and, also, please make the distinction between REPORTED rapes and ACTUAL rapes. </p>
<p>Not all reported rapes are legitimate, and juries often see through lying women, especially ones who falsely accuse ex partners to get them out of the family home or famous persons (footballers) through blackmail. </p>
<p>Perhaps you could make this point when you are questioned in public, as it needs saying, and there are a lot of young men (first time voters) like myself who are at college, who want to see MP&#039;s stand for matters concerning males. </p>
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		<title>By: HelenSparkles</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator>HelenSparkles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Marcel Berlins said in The Guardian today; &quot;... men are being wrongly acquitted because some jurors are taking the Redwood approach. Somehow, juries need to be told firmly that a rape is a rape, whoever commits it.&quot; 
 
I expect you will be as derogatory about the Guardian as you are about everyone else, you must be very busy being negative about them all. Maybe I do you an injustice because I haven&#039;t read your entire blog, but not sure I have the energy, it is depressingly unpleasant about others. Try just being lively about your own ideas, slinging mud is so turgidly familiar from politicians. 
 
Reply: If you read the blog I have said rape is rape and should be prosecuted. The issue is the courts find many cases of alleged &quot;date rape&quot; are not rape. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Marcel Berlins said in The Guardian today; &quot;&#8230; men are being wrongly acquitted because some jurors are taking the Redwood approach. Somehow, juries need to be told firmly that a rape is a rape, whoever commits it.&quot; </p>
<p>I expect you will be as derogatory about the Guardian as you are about everyone else, you must be very busy being negative about them all. Maybe I do you an injustice because I haven&#039;t read your entire blog, but not sure I have the energy, it is depressingly unpleasant about others. Try just being lively about your own ideas, slinging mud is so turgidly familiar from politicians. </p>
<p>Reply: If you read the blog I have said rape is rape and should be prosecuted. The issue is the courts find many cases of alleged &quot;date rape&quot; are not rape. </p>
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		<title>By: British Patriot</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>British Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is Some serious Money and careers to be made out of abuse, and false allegations, and it&#039;s almost impossible to Disprove, it&#039;s a Sure Fire Money Spinner. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://lastditch.typepad.com/lastditch/2007/04/operation_ore_f.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lastditch.typepad.com/lastditch/2007/04/op...&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/74690/operation-ore-exposed.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/74690/operation-o...&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2059880,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,205988...&lt;/a&gt; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mensaid.com/false_allegations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mensaid.com/false_allegations/&lt;/a&gt; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.angryharry.com/esNSPCCNeedsToBeStopped.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.angryharry.com/esNSPCCNeedsToBeStopped...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
The Legal Burden of Proof Should NOT be lowered. 
 
Any one would think there was a clear agenda a destabilise and destroy our Patrichal Society. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_admitted_elite_goal_microchipped_population.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is Some serious Money and careers to be made out of abuse, and false allegations, and it&#039;s almost impossible to Disprove, it&#039;s a Sure Fire Money Spinner.<br />
  <a href="http://lastditch.typepad.com/lastditch/2007/04/operation_ore_f.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://lastditch.typepad.com/lastditch/2007/04/op" rel="nofollow">http://lastditch.typepad.com/lastditch/2007/04/op</a>&#8230;  <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/74690/operation-ore-exposed.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/74690/operation-o" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/74690/operation-o</a>&#8230;  <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2059880,00.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0</a>,,205988&#8230;<br />
  <a href="http://www.mensaid.com/false_allegations/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mensaid.com/false_allegations/</a><br />
  <a href="http://www.angryharry.com/esNSPCCNeedsToBeStopped.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.angryharry.com/esNSPCCNeedsToBeStopped" rel="nofollow">http://www.angryharry.com/esNSPCCNeedsToBeStopped</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>The Legal Burden of Proof Should NOT be lowered. </p>
<p>Any one would think there was a clear agenda a destabilise and destroy our Patrichal Society.<br />
  <a href="http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_admitted_elite_goal_microchipped_population.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_</a>&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conviction rates are &#039;low&#039; because it is one persons word against another, and on the basis of gender neutrality, whose word carries more weight. 
 
On that Basis it is remarkable that there are any convictions. 
You cannot lower the burden off Proof because there are not enough convictions ! 
 
This suggestion further highlights a very clear Anti Male Bias spreading through our Society. 
 
If women were (nicer - text edited) than men in personal disputes, explain why 100&#039;000 Fathers every year have to apply to the courts to get their former Wives to Honour the already agreed Contact arrangements with their children. 
 
On the Principle of Equivalence, and all things being equal, One &#039;Persons&#039; word should carry no more weight than another. 
 
 
Case Dismissed. 
 
 
I wonder where this Cancerous Marxist Anti Male, Anti Family Pro Feminist Bias can be Coming from that increasingly Pervades our society. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_admitted_elite_goal_microchipped_population.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conviction rates are &#039;low&#039; because it is one persons word against another, and on the basis of gender neutrality, whose word carries more weight. </p>
<p>On that Basis it is remarkable that there are any convictions.<br />
You cannot lower the burden off Proof because there are not enough convictions ! </p>
<p>This suggestion further highlights a very clear Anti Male Bias spreading through our Society. </p>
<p>If women were (nicer &#8211; text edited) than men in personal disputes, explain why 100&#039;000 Fathers every year have to apply to the courts to get their former Wives to Honour the already agreed Contact arrangements with their children. </p>
<p>On the Principle of Equivalence, and all things being equal, One &#039;Persons&#039; word should carry no more weight than another. </p>
<p>Case Dismissed. </p>
<p>I wonder where this Cancerous Marxist Anti Male, Anti Family Pro Feminist Bias can be Coming from that increasingly Pervades our society.<br />
  <a href="http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_admitted_elite_goal_microchipped_population.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_</a>&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Jayne</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make a comparison, I wouldn&#039;t say there was a difference between being murdered by someone you know in a safe environment and being murdered by a stranger in the street. If there is perhaps we should introduce Acquaintence Murder and Stranger Murder, to avoid confusion. 
 
Reply: Please do  not misrepresent what I am saying. I have made it clear that rape is rape, whether by a stranger or by someone known to the woman, where there was no consent. I did not say I thought there should be two sorts of rape. The issue is the large number of cases where the courts decide it is not rape. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make a comparison, I wouldn&#039;t say there was a difference between being murdered by someone you know in a safe environment and being murdered by a stranger in the street. If there is perhaps we should introduce Acquaintence Murder and Stranger Murder, to avoid confusion. </p>
<p>Reply: Please do  not misrepresent what I am saying. I have made it clear that rape is rape, whether by a stranger or by someone known to the woman, where there was no consent. I did not say I thought there should be two sorts of rape. The issue is the large number of cases where the courts decide it is not rape. </p>
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		<title>By: K Spenceley</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator>K Spenceley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a woman has the right to have her &quot;No&quot; respected in any sexual encounter, why is there the need to differentiate between different types of rape? It seems you are splitting hairs only to the disadvantage of the women who are affected by rape and the courts who attempt to prosecute the offenders. 
 
Reply: I am not advocating a differentiation, merely pointing out courts find a lot of alleged &quot;rape&quot; is not rape. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a woman has the right to have her &quot;No&quot; respected in any sexual encounter, why is there the need to differentiate between different types of rape? It seems you are splitting hairs only to the disadvantage of the women who are affected by rape and the courts who attempt to prosecute the offenders. </p>
<p>Reply: I am not advocating a differentiation, merely pointing out courts find a lot of alleged &quot;rape&quot; is not rape. </p>
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		<title>By: johnlocke</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/a-better-class-of-criminal/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>johnlocke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post John - I for one agree with everything you say. 
 
If rape cannot be proven, the defendent should not be found guilty. Rape is a disgusting crime, under any circumstances, but lowering the bar for conviction is extremely dangerous. 
 
And, I&#039;m afraid, there *is* a self-evident moral difference between a street rape, and a drunken one-night stand where things went a bit further than people intended. Comments by John Brennan and Peter Carter are absolutely spot-on, and tie-in with what I&#039;ve heard from a couple of police officers. 
 
Some of the other comments you&#039;re getting show how hard it is for people to think rationally about the subject. All the pathetic self-righteous feminist posturing is doing serious rape victims great harm. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post John &#8211; I for one agree with everything you say. </p>
<p>If rape cannot be proven, the defendent should not be found guilty. Rape is a disgusting crime, under any circumstances, but lowering the bar for conviction is extremely dangerous. </p>
<p>And, I&#039;m afraid, there *is* a self-evident moral difference between a street rape, and a drunken one-night stand where things went a bit further than people intended. Comments by John Brennan and Peter Carter are absolutely spot-on, and tie-in with what I&#039;ve heard from a couple of police officers. </p>
<p>Some of the other comments you&#039;re getting show how hard it is for people to think rationally about the subject. All the pathetic self-righteous feminist posturing is doing serious rape victims great harm. </p>
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