Comments on: Bali nonsense – the BBC just loves EU spin http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Wed, 23 May 2012 07:00:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bazman http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-804 Bazman Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:13:48 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-804 It's interesting to note that all experiments to reproduce a man made self sustaining environment have failed. The earth will survive us, but will we survive the earth. Back in the real world has anyone noticed the lack of snow in recent years? It's interesting to note that all experiments to reproduce a man made self sustaining environment have failed. The earth will survive us, but will we survive the earth.
Back in the real world has anyone noticed the lack of snow in recent years?

]]> By: DennisA http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-803 DennisA Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:28:26 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-803 Global warming has stopped. <a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004</a> David Whitehouse was BBC Science Correspondent 1988 Global warming has stopped.
http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004

David Whitehouse was BBC Science Correspondent 1988

]]> By: Jonathan Robson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-802 Jonathan Robson Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:34:17 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-802 Is it any wonder that people tend to see Bush (not the US) as the problem. After all he will not ratify the Kyto Treaty - right? Wrong I'm afraid It was in 1998 that the treaty was signed by the US - Clinton and his vice-President Gore signed the treaty but did not put it to the senate to be ratified because as Al Gore said at the time - unless the developing nations agree to emmision cuts the US would not do so. Isn't it strange that this is convenetly forgotten by the media. By the way CO2 is not now or ever been a polutent. People may also like to know that the IPCC summary for policy makers - is not written by scientists but by politicians and beaurocrats - the science is "done" later to fit in with the summary. Its like writing a conclusion to a scientific experiment before you actually start experimenting. Reply: Yes - the Senate was against the Treaty on the Democrat as well as the republican side. Is it any wonder that people tend to see Bush (not the US) as the problem. After all he will not ratify the Kyto Treaty – right?

Wrong I'm afraid It was in 1998 that the treaty was signed by the US – Clinton and his vice-President Gore signed the treaty but did not put it to the senate to be ratified because as Al Gore said at the time – unless the developing nations agree to emmision cuts the US would not do so. Isn't it strange that this is convenetly forgotten by the media.

By the way CO2 is not now or ever been a polutent. People may also like to know that the IPCC summary for policy makers – is not written by scientists but by politicians and beaurocrats – the science is "done" later to fit in with the summary. Its like writing a conclusion to a scientific experiment before you actually start experimenting.

Reply: Yes – the Senate was against the Treaty on the Democrat as well as the republican side.

]]> By: Roger Thornhill http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-801 Roger Thornhill Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:04:04 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-801 I am against "fines" and "sanctions" as this is a form of extraterritoriality. It is a move towards the Socialist dream of world government. I am against the US behaviour (e.g. Nat West 3) also. I am against "fines" and "sanctions" as this is a form of extraterritoriality. It is a move towards the Socialist dream of world government.

I am against the US behaviour (e.g. Nat West 3) also.

]]> By: Fensterbank http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-800 Fensterbank Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:58:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-800 The problem is that the U.S. administration doesn't want to do anything against the CO2-output. And thats the problem. The USA as the biggest exhauster of the world desn't want to do anything. They disputed nearly to complete isolation, until the US delegation come around. So thanks god the EU is now a big political power in the world and does something against the climate change. But without the USA, Kanada, Australia, Russia, it doesn't work. So I'm looking forward to the upcoming US-administration, (3 of the candidates said, they want to do anything!) and then we never have the problem with this retarded Bush. Greets from Germany, EU! :P The problem is that the U.S. administration doesn’t want to do anything against the CO2-output.
And thats the problem. The USA as the biggest exhauster of the world desn’t want to do anything. They disputed nearly to complete isolation, until the US delegation come around.

So thanks god the EU is now a big political power in the world and does something against the climate change.
But without the USA, Kanada, Australia, Russia, it doesn’t work.

So I’m looking forward to the upcoming US-administration, (3 of the candidates said, they want to do anything!) and then we never have the problem with this retarded Bush.

Greets from Germany, EU! :P

]]> By: Steven Baker http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-798 Steven Baker Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:32:34 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-798 Having heard the rebuffs, the chap on YouTube has published an entertaining update, complete with many follow up videos: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg</a> Now, I'm not endorsing this - I haven't time to watch every video posted - but the chap is entertaining, committed and provocative. The kids in his science class are privileged! Having heard the rebuffs, the chap on YouTube has published an entertaining update, complete with many follow up videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg

Now, I'm not endorsing this – I haven't time to watch every video posted – but the chap is entertaining, committed and provocative.

The kids in his science class are privileged!

]]> By: $uiCidaL anD Bombed » Blog Archive » Last one on Bali, promise … http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-799 $uiCidaL anD Bombed » Blog Archive » Last one on Bali, promise … Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:18:02 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-799 [...] Redwood has written some interesting blogs about the BBC’s coverage of the Bali summit. [...] Redwood has written some interesting blogs about the BBC’s coverage of the Bali summit.

]]> By: b http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-797 b Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:54:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-797 China is the world's largest polluter. This is especially true when you look at things that are actual pollutants (i.e. not just CO2, of which China is also #1). Anyone who has spent time in a large Chinese city will be in no doubt of this fact. China is the world's largest polluter. This is especially true when you look at things that are actual pollutants (i.e. not just CO2, of which China is also #1). Anyone who has spent time in a large Chinese city will be in no doubt of this fact.

]]> By: JV http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-796 JV Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:43:48 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-796 Let's base caps and reductions on population density. The more densely populated a country, the more restrictions there should be on its CO2 emissions, and few or no restrictions on those countries with lower than average population density. Let's base caps and reductions on population density. The more densely populated a country, the more restrictions there should be on its CO2 emissions, and few or no restrictions on those countries with lower than average population density.

]]> By: Mark Williams http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-795 Mark Williams Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:20:37 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/15/bali-nonsense-the-bbc-just-loves-eu-spin/#comment-795 Daniel has hit the nail on the head, except that the supreme example is the government's proposed legislation to limit carbon emissions by legislation rather than by doing anything practical. How do they expect it to work? Which carbon emissions are legal and which are illegal because they take us over the limit? What is the penalty for failure? What is to stop a future minister repealing or amending the law because they find it inconvenient? Answer: nothing, but posturing over legislation is so much easier than making the effort (or taking the risk) involved in practical solutions. Daniel has hit the nail on the head, except that the supreme example is the government's proposed legislation to limit carbon emissions by legislation rather than by doing anything practical. How do they expect it to work? Which carbon emissions are legal and which are illegal because they take us over the limit? What is the penalty for failure? What is to stop a future minister repealing or amending the law because they find it inconvenient? Answer: nothing, but posturing over legislation is so much easier than making the effort (or taking the risk) involved in practical solutions.

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