Comments on: Euro enthusiaists confuse power and sovereignty http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Wed, 23 May 2012 13:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: apl http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1006 apl Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:27:19 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1006 Elizabeth Elliot-Pyle: Elizabeth Elliot-Pyle:

]]> By: Elizabeth Elliot-Pyl http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1005 Elizabeth Elliot-Pyl Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:41:02 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1005 Whether we are 'constitutionally' allowed to leave the EU or not, I would say the thing to do would be to stop paying anything into it. After a while, they would HAVE to let us go. After all, they dont really want us if we are not contributing, do they? Whether we are 'constitutionally' allowed to leave the EU or not, I would say the thing to do would be to stop paying anything into it. After a while, they would HAVE to let us go. After all, they dont really want us if we are not contributing, do they?

]]> By: APL http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1004 APL Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:48:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1004 Mikestallard: "On that day there will be a Civil War in Europe because the Treaty of Lisbon has made it very difficult to leave constitutionally." Well, we have seen what wars in Europe are like, personally I would prefer not to have another one. But we can leave "constitutionally" at any time. We just need to assert the Consititutional doctrine, accepted in this country pretty much ever since Parliament came into being. The current Parliament can overturn any decision a previous parliament might have passed into law. So, leaving the EU in a constitutional fashon needs just one act by the British Parliament - Repeal the '72 Act. All the European Union rules regulations, laws and petty restrictions derive their authority in the United Kindgom from this one single act. Repeal that act and "with a single bound" we are free! Personally, I couldn't care two figs for their pretend democracy, nor their pretend Union, nor their pretent anthem. MikeStallard: "Our Sovereignty has been stolen." Given away actually. By the very people charged with protecting the autonomy of the United Kindgom. Shameful! Mikestallard: "On that day there will be a Civil War in Europe because the Treaty of Lisbon has made it very difficult to leave constitutionally."

Well, we have seen what wars in Europe are like, personally I would prefer not to have another one.

But we can leave "constitutionally" at any time. We just need to assert the Consititutional doctrine, accepted in this country pretty much ever since Parliament came into being.

The current Parliament can overturn any decision a previous parliament might have passed into law.

So, leaving the EU in a constitutional fashon needs just one act by the British Parliament – Repeal the '72 Act.

All the European Union rules regulations, laws and petty restrictions derive their authority in the United Kindgom from this one single act.

Repeal that act and "with a single bound" we are free!

Personally, I couldn't care two figs for their pretend democracy, nor their pretend Union, nor their pretent anthem.

MikeStallard: "Our Sovereignty has been stolen."

Given away actually. By the very people charged with protecting the autonomy of the United Kindgom.

Shameful!

]]> By: mikestallard http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1003 mikestallard Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:55:07 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1003 I was reading this up on the internet last evening. The three pillars have now been, after Lisbon, removed. So allow me to correct you - there is no area of competence which is not under the European Commission and the Council of Europe to decide. The Foreign Office team is already in place after Lisbon. I notice that Jose Manuel Barroso appears in all sorts of places speaking for Europe, as president. I understand that Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" is treated, at the European Parliamentary Sessions, like the National Anthem, with Members placing their hands on their hearts like Americans. You are - alas! - too late. Our Sovereignty has been stolen. I think this explains a lot why Ministers have started to look like cheap salesmen instead of decision makers: they are there to publicise and "cascade" the laws which the new state is passing down to our regional governments. In return they get a rich salary and perks - like their compatriots in the European Parliament and Commission. Personally, I await the day when an issue like slavery in the USA, Islam in Nigeria, or tribalism in Kenya is mishandled by the second raters in the Commission/Council. On that day there will be a Civil War in Europe because the Treaty of Lisbon has made it very difficult to leave constitutionally. I was reading this up on the internet last evening.
The three pillars have now been, after Lisbon, removed. So allow me to correct you – there is no area of competence which is not under the European Commission and the Council of Europe to decide.
The Foreign Office team is already in place after Lisbon.
I notice that Jose Manuel Barroso appears in all sorts of places speaking for Europe, as president.
I understand that Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" is treated, at the European Parliamentary Sessions, like the National Anthem, with Members placing their hands on their hearts like Americans.
You are – alas! – too late.
Our Sovereignty has been stolen.

I think this explains a lot why Ministers have started to look like cheap salesmen instead of decision makers: they are there to publicise and "cascade" the laws which the new state is passing down to our regional governments. In return they get a rich salary and perks – like their compatriots in the European Parliament and Commission.

Personally, I await the day when an issue like slavery in the USA, Islam in Nigeria, or tribalism in Kenya is mishandled by the second raters in the Commission/Council.
On that day there will be a Civil War in Europe because the Treaty of Lisbon has made it very difficult to leave constitutionally.

]]> By: Brian Tomkinson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1002 Brian Tomkinson Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:57:59 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/01/12/euro-enthusiaists-confuse-power-and-sovereignty/#comment-1002 Whilst these Euro enthusiasts preach the spreading of democracy around the world they are constantly denuding the democratic rights of the people of the member states of the EU. Whilst these Euro enthusiasts preach the spreading of democracy around the world they are constantly denuding the democratic rights of the people of the member states of the EU.

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