Those looking at trying to object to the EU Constitution (sorry Treaty) would be better looking at whether a) Parliament is going to annul its own existence by signing it under the BoR or if they even have the legal authority to sign it or b) Following the passage of the RoC 1829 Parliament is itself sat illegally and has no lawful authority to sign anything.

The real sadness is that the 'liberties' which Parliament won against the arbitary powers of the crown have now been handed over to an elected dictatorship in the form of an over mighty executive, who now seem to act in a way often equally as arbitary than any monarch ever did.

After all, under our constitution, an executive can do pretty much as it wills providing it can whip a majority through the lobby, often claiming the spurious right to do so because they won an election with a manifesto (remember John Major and the Maastricht vote).

The irony is that most Governments never secure a majority of the popular vote, even though they have a majority of seats. This is one of the only failings of the First Past the Post system.

It must be frustrating for you as an MP to be fairly emasculated in your ability to scrutinise the Government. Perhaps increasing the powers of committees would be the start of the redressing the balance?

However, for me the biggest issue is the fact that almost every area of our legal system is now subjecated to EU or ECHR law, and that we have absolutely no ability to sack those who inflict such aweful legislation upon us. At least in the UK, an elected dictatorship can be booted out every four years. In the EU, the result of the vote is meaningless as nothing changes and the drift towards an Eurocracy is relentless!

As someone who always favours liberties over rights, and believes that we need forst to be 'free from…' before we are 'free to be…..', I am sadly coming to the conclusion that after a decade of New Labour constitutional vandalism, the time has now come for a US style (not Euroepan style) codified written constitution which finally and irevocably enshrines both the Bill of .

Thank you for the honest reply.

Although I must say I am slightly shocked that this is the case. He is the current head of the libertarian alliance. But even if he was the head of the KGB I would still expect leading politicians to at least stay in touch with the intellectual debate. Sean is more then furious with the current Conservative party even though he spent most of his life voting for them.

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Please do me a favor and read very carefully the link supplied by Steven Baker. It says all there is to say. Sean is basically proposing a counter-revolution, and he is a conservative for Gods sake.

This should worry the Tory party if not the rest. We are in great danger of a complete collapse of the party political system. As we are maybe only a few years away from left and right uniting against our common enemy which, I am sorry to say, is yourself and the rest of what have now become an elitist ruling class that has no time or respect for liberty, truth, justice, the British constitution, the family, real education, culture, or even democracy.

In short every single conservative value known to mankind, without exception or qualification.

Take this seriously because we can now communicate though the internet so the people no longer need traditional organized political structures, though which to express themselves.

I suggest if you are planning a minor counter revolution when you get into office, that you keep it very quiet indeed. However we the people of this country with free minds of our own, expect things to change from day one. Do not even wait one week. Make sure you make a big difference and fast. You have had plenty of time to think about it so go for the jugular while you can.

The Conservative Party will only get one more chance. Which means this nation has only one more chance to save itself from the eternal deep dark cold abyss.

Reply: This comment has been shortened. It is too pessimistic about modern Britain. Of course I want changes, and wish to show that our democracy is still capable of delivering them through the ballot box and legitimate democratic action.

The Declaration of Rights is the property of the People and the Crown, and this document stands in its own right as evidence of the Contract made between the People of England and the Crown of England, in the full absence of any parliament.

This Contract provides the Right of the Crown to Govern, and in consequence of this primary Right, the Right of the Sovereign to invest all and any parliaments with a lawful ability to exist and to take part in the Government of the Sovereign.

Woe Betide any person and/or any parliament that attempts to interfere with the Contract that was made between Crown & People/s, in 1689 – because the World is demonstrating that Civil War is still the almost inevitable consequence of attempts to impose any form of legalised tyranny!

Personally I don't read Sean Gabb much, because I don't need to. I know most of it all already and agree with every word. In fact his opinions are so close to mine I sometimes think he is reading my mind.

Sean is the only person I know that can be 100% correct and 100% depressing both at the same time. Apart from myself that is.

John I would be interested in knowing, first that you have read Seans Work and secondly even more interested to know your opinion.

You often seem to be the only half libertarian still in the CPP. It would be nice if you could assure me that this is not the case. I meet libertarians all the time within the party membership. In fact if anything their number seem to be growing at a faster rate then ever. Is this also your observation, and why does this not SEEM to be reflected in the shadow cabinet ?

Unlike Sean I still have a tiny piece of hope left in my soul. Sean is after all still recovering from the death of his closet and dearest friend. When Ron lost his fight the fight also went from Sean. Which for me has made a very sad situation forever more heart breaking. When one lover of freedom dies it is very sad indeed when one also gives up, it is one of the saddest things of all.

Also John; David Cameron and Boris Johnson have both said that they are both libertarians at heart. Claims I would dearly love to believe. I would very much appreciate if you could also give me your personal opinion on this matter.

I warn you in the nicest possible way that the membership is not going to be as patient as we have been in the past. If we dont see something pretty sharpish WHEN David is elected, especially on the civil and economic liberties side of things, many of us will be gone, and we will NEVER EVER come back. Thats a promise.

Reply: I have not read Sean's work. I believe David Cameron is considerably more liberal than the present government, and will want to remove some of the worst intrusions into our liberties. He and George Osborne have both been enthusiastic about my deregulatory proposals which would would cute away some of the gross over government we currently experience.

What we need is a return to liberal democracy, but first we need the electorate to realise they don't live in one.

What we need is a way for Parliament to hold the Prime Minister to account and for that we need to separate once more the executive, legislature and judiciary.

Call me cynical, but there really is no chance of a new constitutional document along the lines of the original 1689 Bill of Rights is there? Our current venal political class are not interested in liberty and free speech