Comments on: Well done the pro referendum protesters http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Wed, 23 May 2012 13:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bazman http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1748 Bazman Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:56:43 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1748 I take your point John, but I'm still waiting for all the obnoxious people who said they would leave if labour got in. I don't remember the Conservative governments creating the right economic conditions for the likes of Bazman though. A writer, 27-year-old Carolina Alguacil, lives in downtown Barcelona works for an advertising agency and coined the term 'mileurista'. These are often very well educated thirty somethings, engineers and other foreign language speaking professionals living four to a flat with no car, savings, etc. living almost hand to mouth. Although this mainly applies to Barcelona. From what I hear this is common across Europe. There is greater opportunities in Britain than Europe and many of the Polish I talk to agree. There could be even greater ones in Canada and Australia, but the pay looks similar. Out of the frying pan and into the frying pan I fear. I take your point John, but I'm still waiting for all the obnoxious people who said they would leave if labour got in. I don't remember the Conservative governments creating the right economic conditions for the likes of Bazman though.
A writer, 27-year-old Carolina Alguacil, lives in downtown Barcelona works for an advertising agency and coined the term 'mileurista'.
These are often very well educated thirty somethings, engineers and other foreign language speaking professionals living four to a flat with no car, savings, etc. living almost hand to mouth. Although this mainly applies to Barcelona. From what I hear this is common across Europe.
There is greater opportunities in Britain than Europe and many of the Polish I talk to agree. There could be even greater ones in Canada and Australia, but the pay looks similar. Out of the frying pan and into the frying pan I fear.

]]> By: Puncheon http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1747 Puncheon Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:44:20 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1747 In my experience, and I worked in Brussels for 5 years, the more pro-EU a politician the less they know about Europe. The fact is that the EU is very, very corrupt and anti-democratic. The main problem is the Commission - it dates from a time when there was no European Parliamement and should be deprived of its executive functions. It is riddled with marxists, Frenchmen and other(s -ed). The European Parliament is full of Euro-trash and mad single issue fanatics. The UK pro-Euro politician is typically someone keen to get on a bigger gravy train and have a bigger stage on which to perform. We have a negative trade balance with Europe, they are buying out all our companies and refusing to let us do the same in their countries. The growing economies are to the east. HM the Queen was right all those years ago when she wanted us to form a free trade area with the Commonwealth, only tho be shouted down by the - small minded political class, eg E Heath and co. In my experience, and I worked in Brussels for 5 years, the more pro-EU a politician the less they know about Europe. The fact is that the EU is very, very corrupt and anti-democratic. The main problem is the Commission – it dates from a time when there was no European Parliamement and should be deprived of its executive functions. It is riddled with marxists, Frenchmen and other(s -ed). The European Parliament is full of Euro-trash and mad single issue fanatics. The UK pro-Euro politician is typically someone keen to get on a bigger gravy train and have a bigger stage on which to perform. We have a negative trade balance with Europe, they are buying out all our companies and refusing to let us do the same in their countries. The growing economies are to the east. HM the Queen was right all those years ago when she wanted us to form a free trade area with the Commonwealth, only tho be shouted down by the – small minded political class, eg E Heath and co.

]]> By: Curly http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1746 Curly Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:36:12 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1746 What a shame that the BBC hid the news away on the politics page of their website, more worrying is the probability of the EU Amendment Treaty being fully ratified with the help of Labour's whips. What a shame that the BBC hid the news away on the politics page of their website, more worrying is the probability of the EU Amendment Treaty being fully ratified with the help of Labour's whips.

]]> By: Bazman http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1745 Bazman Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:42:32 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1745 It's funny how the British governments always want to opt out of anything to do with tax, employment laws and human rights. Even the Labour governments is against the rights of temporary workers to be the same as permanent ones. How long before temporary becomes permanent. I don't really see on principle why further integration into the EU is such a bad thing. France and Germany have their problems, but most of the British middle classes would like a European lifestyle. Making their money in Britain and then spending as much time in France to bleat about the state of Britain seems to be the scrip. This country is in danger of turning into a grotty island tax haven and apparently many agree so are leaving in their droves. Probably to Europe. Whilst their people escape their countries rubbish systems that favor the old and wealthy by coming here. Reply: When are you emigrating, Bazman? Despite a Labour government , we are still on high average incomes than the rest of the EU. It's funny how the British governments always want to opt out of anything to do with tax, employment laws and human rights.
Even the Labour governments is against the rights of temporary workers to be the same as permanent ones. How long before temporary becomes permanent.
I don't really see on principle why further integration into the EU is such a bad thing. France and Germany have their problems, but most of the British middle classes would like a European lifestyle. Making their money in Britain and then spending as much time in France to bleat about the state of Britain seems to be the scrip.
This country is in danger of turning into a grotty island tax haven and apparently many agree so are leaving in their droves.
Probably to Europe. Whilst their people escape their countries rubbish systems that favor the old and wealthy by coming here.

Reply: When are you emigrating, Bazman? Despite a Labour government , we are still on high average incomes than the rest of the EU.

]]> By: niconoclast http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1744 niconoclast Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:31:25 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1744 Shouldn't the referendum be on UK membership of the EU as the liberals are proposing? It comes to something when a conservative voter has to look to the liberals of all people to draw attention to the EU elephant in the drawing room. Reply: Shame on you. The Conservatives are the only party who promised a referendum on Lisbon and are voting for one. We constantly highlight the "elephant in the room" and especially the large new transfer of powers to the EU prpopsed in the latest Treaty. Unlike the Lib dems we OPPOSE this. Shouldn't the referendum be on UK membership of the EU as the liberals are proposing? It comes to something when a conservative voter has to look to the liberals of all people to draw attention to the EU elephant in the drawing room.

Reply: Shame on you. The Conservatives are the only party who promised a referendum on Lisbon and are voting for one. We constantly highlight the "elephant in the room" and especially the large new transfer of powers to the EU prpopsed in the latest Treaty. Unlike the Lib dems we OPPOSE this.

]]> By: mikestallard http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1743 mikestallard Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:18:29 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1743 John, I do hope that you are registering: 1. The anger that is building up about this terrible betrayal of all that we have stood for over the past 1000 years. 2. Our complete inability to do much about it. Please do not give up! It is very rare that people are right or wrong in politics, but you are right. Jim Murphy and his party are wrong. One of the most unpleasant things, I think, is the way that Daniel Hannan's blog has been vandalised by Trolls from the EU. I really do not want my life micromanaged by people like that. John, I do hope that you are registering:
1. The anger that is building up about this terrible betrayal of all that we have stood for over the past 1000 years.
2. Our complete inability to do much about it. Please do not give up! It is very rare that people are right or wrong in politics, but you are right. Jim Murphy and his party are wrong.

One of the most unpleasant things, I think, is the way that Daniel Hannan's blog has been vandalised by Trolls from the EU. I really do not want my life micromanaged by people like that.

]]> By: Dave B http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1742 Dave B Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:11:02 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1742 Surely the Davidson amendment is the best chance of getting a referendum on the Constitution/Lisbon Treaty? The Lib-Dems have said they WANT an in/out referendum, but would abstain from a referendum on the Constitution/Lisbon, and the Conservatives don't have enough votes without the Lib-Dems. Reply: I don't think the LIb Dems are up for the Davidson amendment. Surely the Davidson amendment is the best chance of getting a referendum on the Constitution/Lisbon Treaty? The Lib-Dems have said they WANT an in/out referendum, but would abstain from a referendum on the Constitution/Lisbon, and the Conservatives don't have enough votes without the Lib-Dems.

Reply: I don't think the LIb Dems are up for the Davidson amendment.

]]> By: Sam Pepson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1741 Sam Pepson Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:46:59 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1741 Apologies if it's not directly relevant to your blog, but what do you think about the Spectator story on Ian Davidson's amendment? <a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/527496/europe-referendum-back-on-the-cards.thtml#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/527496/eur...</a> (The amendment proposes a two question referendum which would ask: “Should the United Kingdom retain its membership of the European Union?” “If it remains a member of the European Union, should the United Kingdom approve the Lisbon Treaty?” ) It seems to have attracted very little attention so far, though it seems to be the ideal amendment to focus on. David Cameron could (and should) take the moral high ground by allowing a free vote. What do we have to lose? Reply: I do think an In Out referendum requires preparation so we know what "In" means, and what terms are available for "Out". I think we need to vote on Lisbon and then renegotiate, then vote again. Apologies if it's not directly relevant to your blog, but what do you think about the Spectator story on Ian Davidson's amendment?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/527496/eur…

(The amendment proposes a two question referendum which would ask:

“Should the United Kingdom retain its membership of the European Union?”

“If it remains a member of the European Union, should the United Kingdom approve the Lisbon Treaty?” )

It seems to have attracted very little attention so far, though it seems to be the ideal amendment to focus on. David Cameron could (and should) take the moral high ground by allowing a free vote. What do we have to lose?

Reply: I do think an In Out referendum requires preparation so we know what "In" means, and what terms are available for "Out". I think we need to vote on Lisbon and then renegotiate, then vote again.

]]> By: Tim http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1740 Tim Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:55:21 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1740 Dear Mr Redwood, For that lot to get all their junk into the Palace and up onto the roof, they would have needed to have passes or friends with passes, otherwise security would have caught them. This means members, or their staff, were instrumental in letting these people in, and up onto the roof. I have been in the Palace a few times and if you are wandering the corridors you get caught and escorted back to where you are supposed to be within a matter of minutes. The climate change chaps were aided by someone with the necessary passes and authority to not receive any second glances from the security. In whose interest would it be to make sure the IWAR crowd were ignored? These are the people who helped that lot in. On a more serious note, if the security at the Palace is so lax, how long before someone smuggles in a bomb, or a gun to take someone hostage or worse? reply: There are checks to stop people entering with weapons. Dear Mr Redwood,

For that lot to get all their junk into the Palace and up onto the roof, they would have needed to have passes or friends with passes, otherwise security would have caught them. This means members, or their staff, were instrumental in letting these people in, and up onto the roof.

I have been in the Palace a few times and if you are wandering the corridors you get caught and escorted back to where you are supposed to be within a matter of minutes. The climate change chaps were aided by someone with the necessary passes and authority to not receive any second glances from the security.

In whose interest would it be to make sure the IWAR crowd were ignored? These are the people who helped that lot in.

On a more serious note, if the security at the Palace is so lax, how long before someone smuggles in a bomb, or a gun to take someone hostage or worse?

reply: There are checks to stop people entering with weapons.

]]> By: number 6 http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1739 number 6 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:01:40 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/02/28/well-done-the-pro-referendum-protesters/#comment-1739 Mr Redwood, I doubt those who break their via their party manifesto give the proverbial monkeys to those of us who chose to put our point of view across in person. Guilt is not a feeling that will trouble someone capable of allowing the very democracy they claim to represent to be undermined by the unelected EU. Mr Redwood,

I doubt those who break their via their party manifesto give the proverbial monkeys to those of us who chose to put our point of view across in person.

Guilt is not a feeling that will trouble someone capable of allowing the very democracy they claim to represent to be undermined by the unelected EU.

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