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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2269</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an exciting future ahead of us in the realm of commercial space travel. The world was amazed when men landed up in moon. Since then space exploration has gone a long way. And till now it was looked upon with a scientific approach. But now things have changed. Where there&#039;s demand there&#039;s supply. Scientists running short of money realised that they can lure the rich and the famous to part with their millions for a short trip above the clouds. That idea has gone viral. A lot of people have signed up even before the project has been launched. 
 
Vanessa @ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.engineeringservicesoutsourcing.com/b/fe/2008/04/future-of-commercial-space-travel.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Future of Commercial Space Travel - Predictions, Companies, Technologies &lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s an exciting future ahead of us in the realm of commercial space travel. The world was amazed when men landed up in moon. Since then space exploration has gone a long way. And till now it was looked upon with a scientific approach. But now things have changed. Where there&#039;s demand there&#039;s supply. Scientists running short of money realised that they can lure the rich and the famous to part with their millions for a short trip above the clouds. That idea has gone viral. A lot of people have signed up even before the project has been launched. </p>
<p>Vanessa @ <a href="http://www.engineeringservicesoutsourcing.com/b/fe/2008/04/future-of-commercial-space-travel.html" rel="nofollow"> Future of Commercial Space Travel &#8211; Predictions, Companies, Technologies </a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2268</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubtless the Greens would also wish to put Christopher Columbus&#039; journey on hold until all problems in Europe get solved. 
 
The space programme has paid for itself many times over, even at the outrageous cost NASA produce. 
 
Without it we wouldn&#039;t have telecommunication satellites &amp; thus world markets, a world internet or worldwide news pictures. We would still have weather reports that were largely guesswork without satellite pictures which means that hurricanes would still be mass killers. We also wouldn&#039;t have these beautiful pictures of Earth in space that the &quot;environmentalist&quot; movement have used so profitably. 
 
The Chinese &amp; Russians both understand this &amp; are opposed to the Luddism so much of our own political class wallows in. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubtless the Greens would also wish to put Christopher Columbus&#039; journey on hold until all problems in Europe get solved. </p>
<p>The space programme has paid for itself many times over, even at the outrageous cost NASA produce. </p>
<p>Without it we wouldn&#039;t have telecommunication satellites &amp; thus world markets, a world internet or worldwide news pictures. We would still have weather reports that were largely guesswork without satellite pictures which means that hurricanes would still be mass killers. We also wouldn&#039;t have these beautiful pictures of Earth in space that the &quot;environmentalist&quot; movement have used so profitably. </p>
<p>The Chinese &amp; Russians both understand this &amp; are opposed to the Luddism so much of our own political class wallows in.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Windisch</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2267</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Windisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greener space travel, just marvelous. Put it on hold till we really have sorted the current emission and fuel crisis. Perhaps launching unmanned flights where necessary which are much lighter and less costly. 
 
Actually NASA use lots of private contractors, little is state owned. 
 
A more pressing question might be why do countries like China and India launch space missions, prestige more than science. They want to be ahead of the USA, when the USA is not the model modern country it once seemed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greener space travel, just marvelous. Put it on hold till we really have sorted the current emission and fuel crisis. Perhaps launching unmanned flights where necessary which are much lighter and less costly. </p>
<p>Actually NASA use lots of private contractors, little is state owned. </p>
<p>A more pressing question might be why do countries like China and India launch space missions, prestige more than science. They want to be ahead of the USA, when the USA is not the model modern country it once seemed.</p>
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		<title>By: Top of the Blogs: The Dirty Dozen #3 &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2266</link>
		<dc:creator>Top of the Blogs: The Dirty Dozen #3 &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And finally, John â€œThe Vulcanâ€ Redwood shares his views on space travel. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And finally, John â€œThe Vulcanâ€ Redwood shares his views on space travel. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2265</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er that should be $16,000 million NASA annual budget. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er that should be $16,000 million NASA annual budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2264</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly, as I said initially, Virgin &amp; competitors are a very long way from achieving orbit. 
 
 However if they were getting rather closer to the $1,600 million NASA gets annually rather than the one off X-prize of $10 million  the effect would be spectacular. I don&#039;t think Ariane can be held up as an example of &quot;commercial success&quot; since the budget for ESA is 3 billion Euros (1/4 NASA&#039;s &amp; if one also includes the &quot;independent&quot; French &amp; German space programmes it would be 1/2), &amp; there is no prospect of them declaring a dividend. They have yet to achieve even Virgin&#039;s level of progress in getting a man into space. 
 
ESA is a bureaucratic monstrosity , even worse than NASA &amp; the money spent on it could be used, as I have described, so very much better. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly, as I said initially, Virgin &amp; competitors are a very long way from achieving orbit. </p>
<p> However if they were getting rather closer to the $1,600 million NASA gets annually rather than the one off X-prize of $10 million  the effect would be spectacular. I don&#039;t think Ariane can be held up as an example of &quot;commercial success&quot; since the budget for ESA is 3 billion Euros (1/4 NASA&#039;s &amp; if one also includes the &quot;independent&quot; French &amp; German space programmes it would be 1/2), &amp; there is no prospect of them declaring a dividend. They have yet to achieve even Virgin&#039;s level of progress in getting a man into space. </p>
<p>ESA is a bureaucratic monstrosity , even worse than NASA &amp; the money spent on it could be used, as I have described, so very much better.</p>
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		<title>By: jon byrne</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>jon byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgin and other private groups are doing nothing more than pushing an object up (beyond the dense atmosphere)and allowing it to &quot;fall&quot; down gently. 
An object cannot be placed in space to stay (more than an instant) or to go into orbit. 
It is the French who have made a commercial success and a great deal of money from the Ariane launchers. The UK has a very small footprint in this nominally European (but in reality French) programme. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgin and other private groups are doing nothing more than pushing an object up (beyond the dense atmosphere)and allowing it to &quot;fall&quot; down gently.<br />
An object cannot be placed in space to stay (more than an instant) or to go into orbit.<br />
It is the French who have made a commercial success and a great deal of money from the Ariane launchers. The UK has a very small footprint in this nominally European (but in reality French) programme.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2262</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA &amp; Virgin are indeed trying to do very different things. Virgin is trying to make money by developing space, NASA are a jobs creation programme for bureaucrats &amp; the southern states which sometimes does some stuff in space. 
 
See, for example &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.physorg.com/news125598958.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.physorg.com/news125598958.html&lt;/a&gt; 
in which they are threatening to cut the high profile Mars Rover, nominally to save $4 million, out of a budget of $16,000 million but actually as a form of bureaucratic ploy any politician will be familiar with, to extort more money to their budget. This is a sign of how much hardening of the arteries NASA has fallen to. 
 
If America can afford that every year we could easily afford to promise half as much, once, to fund X-Prizes, particularly since they would only be paid if they achieved far more than NASA has in the last 30 years, indeed over a decade it would only match what we currently spend on ESA for little visible achievement. 
 
It is worth mentioning that the Virgin Galactic design owes its existence to Burt Rutan launching Spaceship One, which in turn happened only because private individuals put up an X-Prize of $10 million for the first private launch. If $10 million can accomplish that vastly more is clearly possible. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA &amp; Virgin are indeed trying to do very different things. Virgin is trying to make money by developing space, NASA are a jobs creation programme for bureaucrats &amp; the southern states which sometimes does some stuff in space. </p>
<p>See, for example <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news125598958.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news125598958.html</a><br />
in which they are threatening to cut the high profile Mars Rover, nominally to save $4 million, out of a budget of $16,000 million but actually as a form of bureaucratic ploy any politician will be familiar with, to extort more money to their budget. This is a sign of how much hardening of the arteries NASA has fallen to. </p>
<p>If America can afford that every year we could easily afford to promise half as much, once, to fund X-Prizes, particularly since they would only be paid if they achieved far more than NASA has in the last 30 years, indeed over a decade it would only match what we currently spend on ESA for little visible achievement. </p>
<p>It is worth mentioning that the Virgin Galactic design owes its existence to Burt Rutan launching Spaceship One, which in turn happened only because private individuals put up an X-Prize of $10 million for the first private launch. If $10 million can accomplish that vastly more is clearly possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2261</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this shows the private sector is better at producing transport  systems than government . What an eloquent defence of free market economics ! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this shows the private sector is better at producing transport  systems than government . What an eloquent defence of free market economics !</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/03/28/a-different-way-of-space-travel/#comment-2270</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this shows the private sector is better at producing transport  systems than government . What an eloquent defence of free market economics !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this shows the private sector is better at producing transport  systems than government . What an eloquent defence of free market economics !</p>
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