Comments on: Help draft a new Dunning resolution http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Wed, 23 May 2012 13:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: nasro http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2418 nasro Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:54:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2418 there is one rampant thing that has increased is increasing and ought to be diminished... it is the brutal barbarity against innocent children in ghaza,and the shameful connivance of those countries who pretend to be freedom and justice loving!!!! there is one rampant thing that has increased is increasing and ought to be diminished… it is the brutal barbarity against innocent children in ghaza,and the shameful connivance of those countries who pretend to be freedom and justice loving!!!!

]]> By: Sacerdote http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2417 Sacerdote Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:22:30 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2417 Surely the simplest formulation is "The influence of the government has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished". Surely the simplest formulation is "The influence of the government has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished".

]]> By: Richard Fletcher http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2416 Richard Fletcher Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:22:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2416 Not so long ago I would have said something along the lines of "..the influence of press barons has increased, is increasing and ought to be diminished.” However, with the advent of the internet, their power seems to be diminishing without any help from government. Not so long ago I would have said something along the lines of

"..the influence of press barons has increased, is increasing and ought to be diminished.”

However, with the advent of the internet, their power seems to be diminishing without any help from government.

]]> By: Bishop Hill http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2415 Bishop Hill Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:19:27 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2415 My contribution: “..the power of the man in the street has diminished, is diminishing, and must be restored." My contribution:

“..the power of the man in the street has diminished, is diminishing, and must be restored."

]]> By: John http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2414 John Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:14:27 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2414 On reflection "ought to be diminished" should be "must be removed". On reflection "ought to be diminished" should be "must be removed".

]]> By: John http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2413 John Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:07:52 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2413 Excellent. Although I think that the resolution needs to be strengthened. I don't think 'influence' is strong enough or accurate - the ECJ and other EC bodies have precedence in many instances over our judiciary and democratically elected bodies and people. Perhaps it should be something like “..the influence and in many instances precedence, of unelected and unaccountable bodies and people over the democratically elected bodies and people within the UK has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished ” Excellent. Although I think that the resolution needs to be strengthened. I don't think 'influence' is strong enough or accurate – the ECJ and other EC bodies have precedence in many instances over our judiciary and democratically elected bodies and people. Perhaps it should be something like

“..the influence and in many instances precedence, of unelected and unaccountable bodies and people over the democratically elected bodies and people within the UK has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished ”

]]> By: Puncheon http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2412 Puncheon Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:57:25 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2412 How about: The influence of the political and media parasite classes has increased and ought to be diminished. No one shall be allowed to stand for public office unless they have worked in a non- political, non-public-sector or non-media capacity for at least ten years. Taking account of clause 1 above, All media political commentators shall be forced to stand for public office every 2 years. How about:

The influence of the political and media parasite classes has increased and ought to be diminished. No one shall be allowed to stand for public office unless they have worked in a non- political, non-public-sector or non-media capacity for at least ten years.

Taking account of clause 1 above, All media political commentators shall be forced to stand for public office every 2 years.

]]> By: Freeborn John http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2411 Freeborn John Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:00:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2411 Upon further reflection I think there is a case for new Dunning resolution. I would use a phrase such as ‘The influence of agencies insulated from the democratic process has increased …’ and go on to elaborate who those governmental agencies are together with spin doctors, lobbyists, etc. Upon further reflection I think there is a case for new Dunning resolution. I would use a phrase such as ‘The influence of agencies insulated from the democratic process has increased …’ and go on to elaborate who those governmental agencies are together with spin doctors, lobbyists, etc.

]]> By: Neil Craig http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2410 Neil Craig Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:12:21 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2410 proportion of GNP spent by government/proportion of people employed by government/number & size of quangos/government controls on our lives/EU power/number & prominence of catastrophe stories in our public life A common theme to them all. And as a space fan: The size of the universe has increased, is increasing & will continue to increase & humanity should be funding, mainly through X-Prizes, ways of exploring & understanding it. proportion of GNP spent by government/proportion of people employed by government/number & size of quangos/government controls on our lives/EU power/number & prominence of catastrophe stories in our public life

A common theme to them all.

And as a space fan:

The size of the universe has increased, is increasing & will continue to increase & humanity should be funding, mainly through X-Prizes, ways of exploring & understanding it.

]]> By: Freeborn John http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2409 Freeborn John Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:04:34 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/06/help-draft-a-new-dunning-resolution/#comment-2409 I cannot agree that the EU can be equated with quangos, spin doctors or ‘big money’ (presumably business). The latter are all subject to the law of a parliament whose democratic legitimacy derives from a sovereign people. Qango’s exercise devolved power which could be taken back at any time by Parliament. The EU exercises conferred powers set out in international treaties that are far more difficult to change. Furthermore it has a legislative power which (by a declaration of the ECJ) is superior to that of any national parliament in the areas where the EU holds conferred power. And the EU itself engages in a relentless campaign to extend this legislative power into new areas and to replace the rule of unanimity – which s required to preserve legitimacy in all supranational bodies – by qualified majority votes such that EU law can then be imposed on the people of this country against the majority will of Parliament. And EU law once created cannot be changed by any future government we might elect, or indeed by the initiative of anyone except EU Commissioners who never propose anything that does not advance what they perceive (inaccurately) to be the common good of all Europeans; the accumulation of more powers for the EU. The American Revolution was influenced by Locke – the idea that government requires the consent of the governed who have a right of rebellion when this does not exist. The EU (like the French and Russian revolutions) by Rousseau – the idea that minorities can be coerced by the general will of a collective. Edmund Burke defended the American revolutionaries saying that a "People crushed by law have no hopes but from power. If laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to laws". Who in the Conservative party today will defend us from the ever growing body of EU law? I cannot agree that the EU can be equated with quangos, spin doctors or ‘big money’ (presumably business). The latter are all subject to the law of a parliament whose democratic legitimacy derives from a sovereign people. Qango’s exercise devolved power which could be taken back at any time by Parliament. The EU exercises conferred powers set out in international treaties that are far more difficult to change. Furthermore it has a legislative power which (by a declaration of the ECJ) is superior to that of any national parliament in the areas where the EU holds conferred power. And the EU itself engages in a relentless campaign to extend this legislative power into new areas and to replace the rule of unanimity – which s required to preserve legitimacy in all supranational bodies – by qualified majority votes such that EU law can then be imposed on the people of this country against the majority will of Parliament. And EU law once created cannot be changed by any future government we might elect, or indeed by the initiative of anyone except EU Commissioners who never propose anything that does not advance what they perceive (inaccurately) to be the common good of all Europeans; the accumulation of more powers for the EU.

The American Revolution was influenced by Locke – the idea that government requires the consent of the governed who have a right of rebellion when this does not exist. The EU (like the French and Russian revolutions) by Rousseau – the idea that minorities can be coerced by the general will of a collective. Edmund Burke defended the American revolutionaries saying that a "People crushed by law have no hopes but from power. If laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to laws". Who in the Conservative party today will defend us from the ever growing body of EU law?

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