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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/16/one-cheer-for-gordon-2/#comment-2587</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this. as a One off, Declare all Mortgages paid off, the British Public now own their own homes. 
 
What will the British Public do with this extra disposable  income, they will start spending again. 
 
Punish the Banks, not the Public. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this. as a One off, Declare all Mortgages paid off, the British Public now own their own homes. </p>
<p>What will the British Public do with this extra disposable  income, they will start spending again. </p>
<p>Punish the Banks, not the Public. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you believe that the current level of house prices is unfair from the point of view of would-be first time buyers? 
House prices have been driven up by cheap and easy credit and now young people face taking on huge mortgages to get on the housing ladder. Given that no-one can see into the future and predict where interest rates might go, it is clearly dangerous to take on massive levels of debt at (currently) low interest rates. 
 
Would a conservative government do anything to prevent another house price boom? We had one in the late 80s under a conservative government and it led to a pretty unpleasant recession in the early 90s. We are about to have on now and, amongst other things, it seems to be threatening the entire banking system. It is clear that relying on house price growth as the engine of the economy is not a good idea. Would you agree? What would you do to prevent another boom after this one has corrected? We cannot allow banks and the market to let this happen again. 
 
Reply: Yes, current house prices are preventing some young people buying their first home. It needs to be corrected sensibly, not  by a crash. I would want a future government to tighten money supply in the upswing of the cycle - not to relax on the upswing as this government has just done. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you believe that the current level of house prices is unfair from the point of view of would-be first time buyers?<br />
House prices have been driven up by cheap and easy credit and now young people face taking on huge mortgages to get on the housing ladder. Given that no-one can see into the future and predict where interest rates might go, it is clearly dangerous to take on massive levels of debt at (currently) low interest rates. </p>
<p>Would a conservative government do anything to prevent another house price boom? We had one in the late 80s under a conservative government and it led to a pretty unpleasant recession in the early 90s. We are about to have on now and, amongst other things, it seems to be threatening the entire banking system. It is clear that relying on house price growth as the engine of the economy is not a good idea. Would you agree? What would you do to prevent another boom after this one has corrected? We cannot allow banks and the market to let this happen again. </p>
<p>Reply: Yes, current house prices are preventing some young people buying their first home. It needs to be corrected sensibly, not  by a crash. I would want a future government to tighten money supply in the upswing of the cycle &#8211; not to relax on the upswing as this government has just done. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/16/one-cheer-for-gordon-2/#comment-2585</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever stated publicly and unequivocably over the last 5 or 6 years ... &#039;house prices, fuelled by debt, are getting out of control and we need to regulate a banking sector that is essential to our economy and which we cannot allow to get itself into trouble through risky lending&#039;. 
 
If banks are a special case - they are essential to our economy - they why aren&#039;t their lending practices regulated? The conservatives de-regulated consumer spending in the 1980s and, whilst this may or may not have been a good thing, the way that lending has got out of control in the last few years has been, surely, utterly irresponsible and reckless. Did the banks really think house prices could go up forever? Surely a child of 5 knew there had to be some affordability constraints and that when they were reached the housing market, being a MARKET, would likely correct and put some of that lending at risk. Northern Rock and many other banks were recklessly lending people 125% of the price of a property. How insane! Yet no-one said a word - until they ran into trouble. 
 
The proposed bail-out sends the wrong message to the banks. Perhaps lending and banking services need to be separated. 
 
There are many private companies that are essential to our economy. All the utility companies leap to mind. But they are heavily regulated - yet the banks aren&#039;t. Brown has enjoyed boasting about growth and, being financially illiterate, thought it would go on forever and that he was immensely clever creating growth in the economy. The man was and is a fool and I am annoyed that the conservative voices were strangely quiet as the average British consumer was led into a noose of debt by Brown and the banks. 
 
Reply: I made a strong atack upon the switch from RPI to CPI for inflation targetting, warned that it would lead to interest rates being too low and explained it was probably designed to do that ahead of an election. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever stated publicly and unequivocably over the last 5 or 6 years &#8230; &#039;house prices, fuelled by debt, are getting out of control and we need to regulate a banking sector that is essential to our economy and which we cannot allow to get itself into trouble through risky lending&#039;. </p>
<p>If banks are a special case &#8211; they are essential to our economy &#8211; they why aren&#039;t their lending practices regulated? The conservatives de-regulated consumer spending in the 1980s and, whilst this may or may not have been a good thing, the way that lending has got out of control in the last few years has been, surely, utterly irresponsible and reckless. Did the banks really think house prices could go up forever? Surely a child of 5 knew there had to be some affordability constraints and that when they were reached the housing market, being a MARKET, would likely correct and put some of that lending at risk. Northern Rock and many other banks were recklessly lending people 125% of the price of a property. How insane! Yet no-one said a word &#8211; until they ran into trouble. </p>
<p>The proposed bail-out sends the wrong message to the banks. Perhaps lending and banking services need to be separated. </p>
<p>There are many private companies that are essential to our economy. All the utility companies leap to mind. But they are heavily regulated &#8211; yet the banks aren&#039;t. Brown has enjoyed boasting about growth and, being financially illiterate, thought it would go on forever and that he was immensely clever creating growth in the economy. The man was and is a fool and I am annoyed that the conservative voices were strangely quiet as the average British consumer was led into a noose of debt by Brown and the banks. </p>
<p>Reply: I made a strong atack upon the switch from RPI to CPI for inflation targetting, warned that it would lead to interest rates being too low and explained it was probably designed to do that ahead of an election. </p>
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		<title>By: David Belchamber</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Belchamber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should you not add when listing Brown&#039;s deficiencies the splitting into three (BoE, FSA and Treasury) of the regulatory control of banks etc? Had the BoE had sole responsibility for the oversight of Northern Rock&#039;s management policies, might it have been reined in earlier and escaped the worst of the sub-prime disaster? 
As Michael Parkinson pointed out: &quot;Committees of three are best - when two are in hospital&quot;. 
On inflation, if the word is to have any meaning to us members of the public (and not Gordon Brown&#039;s abstruse economic one), it must reasonably measure the rise in the cost of living - and that includes some housing costs. 
Will the conservatives please consider introducing a more realistic index and also hammer home the fact that inflation, as it affects ordinary people, is more like 5% to 6% than the 2.5% that Brown claims? 
 
Reply: Please see my views on this under the Northern Rock tab - I agree with your thoughts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should you not add when listing Brown&#039;s deficiencies the splitting into three (BoE, FSA and Treasury) of the regulatory control of banks etc? Had the BoE had sole responsibility for the oversight of Northern Rock&#039;s management policies, might it have been reined in earlier and escaped the worst of the sub-prime disaster?<br />
As Michael Parkinson pointed out: &quot;Committees of three are best &#8211; when two are in hospital&quot;.<br />
On inflation, if the word is to have any meaning to us members of the public (and not Gordon Brown&#039;s abstruse economic one), it must reasonably measure the rise in the cost of living &#8211; and that includes some housing costs.<br />
Will the conservatives please consider introducing a more realistic index and also hammer home the fact that inflation, as it affects ordinary people, is more like 5% to 6% than the 2.5% that Brown claims? </p>
<p>Reply: Please see my views on this under the Northern Rock tab &#8211; I agree with your thoughts. </p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Mary</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/16/one-cheer-for-gordon-2/#comment-2583</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John, I was drawn to this piece by the title because as you know, I for one do not like to hear any disrespect or blame in politics, preferring instead to see a united government - if they have to be, from different political parties - comming together around a table and making good everything they can for the benefit of all.  Like the Queen, the public through the political voting system in this Country, which is not ideal, have to accept that we have a Prime Minister who is chosen by the people of this Country. I beleive therefore... whatever our personal opinions... we should give the current Prime Minister all the respect and support we can - and that includes the media - at every opportunity for it is He (or She) who, like our Queen, goes out as a Public Ambassador for this Country...  Like you, I too write articles and I&#039;ve watched with interest and listened to many MPs recently and I think you are the first one who... although may not entirely agree, has the respect and discipline to write about our Prime Minister in a way that I can accept and consequently go on to read more of what you have written. The detail involved in the high level discussions, iniatives, reports etc from within the Government are what we the public delegate you the responsibility to act on and therefore have to learn to trust and work also with our local MPs. So... having also been in directlly in touch with you, your office and your local council team... I would publically like to thank YOU for representing Wokingham in a way that can make us proud (even if we don&#039;t always fully understand or agree on everything either!!) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John, I was drawn to this piece by the title because as you know, I for one do not like to hear any disrespect or blame in politics, preferring instead to see a united government &#8211; if they have to be, from different political parties &#8211; comming together around a table and making good everything they can for the benefit of all.  Like the Queen, the public through the political voting system in this Country, which is not ideal, have to accept that we have a Prime Minister who is chosen by the people of this Country. I beleive therefore&#8230; whatever our personal opinions&#8230; we should give the current Prime Minister all the respect and support we can &#8211; and that includes the media &#8211; at every opportunity for it is He (or She) who, like our Queen, goes out as a Public Ambassador for this Country&#8230;  Like you, I too write articles and I&#039;ve watched with interest and listened to many MPs recently and I think you are the first one who&#8230; although may not entirely agree, has the respect and discipline to write about our Prime Minister in a way that I can accept and consequently go on to read more of what you have written. The detail involved in the high level discussions, iniatives, reports etc from within the Government are what we the public delegate you the responsibility to act on and therefore have to learn to trust and work also with our local MPs. So&#8230; having also been in directlly in touch with you, your office and your local council team&#8230; I would publically like to thank YOU for representing Wokingham in a way that can make us proud (even if we don&#039;t always fully understand or agree on everything either!!) </p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/16/one-cheer-for-gordon-2/#comment-2582</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t abide the cocky, slapdash school of reporting led by the BBC&#039;s Nick Robinson, which by each evening has infected all the news programmes with its froth and inaccuracy.  And how I miss their John Cole, who though a Labour man, strove meticulously and conscientiously to understand, and then explain, what was going on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t abide the cocky, slapdash school of reporting led by the BBC&#039;s Nick Robinson, which by each evening has infected all the news programmes with its froth and inaccuracy.  And how I miss their John Cole, who though a Labour man, strove meticulously and conscientiously to understand, and then explain, what was going on. </p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/16/one-cheer-for-gordon-2/#comment-2581</link>
		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Little Britain, on my left, the US FED is saying forget the inflation, liqidity is the priority.  On my right the EURO FED is saying inflation has to be the target. 
 
The one on the left has a massive current account deficit, the one on the right has a little surplus.  Politically I am confused; is the one on the left being right wing?  The one on the right being left wing?  Answers on a postcard please. 
 
While your thinking, listen to Axel at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merkfund.com/about-us/news/2008-04-10.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.merkfund.com/about-us/news/2008-04-10....&lt;/a&gt; 
 
BTW; Radio station KNX 1070, does not mention &quot;the pound&quot; much nowadays. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Little Britain, on my left, the US FED is saying forget the inflation, liqidity is the priority.  On my right the EURO FED is saying inflation has to be the target. </p>
<p>The one on the left has a massive current account deficit, the one on the right has a little surplus.  Politically I am confused; is the one on the left being right wing?  The one on the right being left wing?  Answers on a postcard please. </p>
<p>While your thinking, listen to Axel at <a href="http://www.merkfund.com/about-us/news/2008-04-10.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.merkfund.com/about-us/news/2008-04-10" rel="nofollow">http://www.merkfund.com/about-us/news/2008-04-10</a>&#8230;. </p>
<p>BTW; Radio station KNX 1070, does not mention &quot;the pound&quot; much nowadays. </p>
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		<title>By: Milton Keynes</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/16/one-cheer-for-gordon-2/#comment-2580</link>
		<dc:creator>Milton Keynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are going to give taxpayers money out, we really shouldn&#039;t be giving it to the people who caused the problems. 
 
Financial crises happen when prodctivity falls below the level required to service the debt burden. In general these are caused by matters external to the financial system, such as oil price shocks, natural disasters, wars, famine etc. 
 
This crisis is caused by massive malinvestment in non-productive housing, with simultaneous underinvestment in productive industries. The &quot;shock&quot; was that investors and the Government didn&#039;t notice the problems with this. Low interest rates encourage speculation in favour of productivity; borrowing over saving. 
 
The last thing this Government should be doing is propping up this system. The bust is the cure for the malinvestment of the boom. The quickest way out of this would be to hike interest rates to kill inflation, and provide stimuli for production (tax cuts, investment). We can help the banks short term, but they MUST take their losses, and they must refocus lending on production and away from speculation. 
 
The working population are becoming very demoralised. Speculation has been the only game in town for 10 years, it needs to be stopped before people abandon saving, or worse, abandon the country. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are going to give taxpayers money out, we really shouldn&#039;t be giving it to the people who caused the problems. </p>
<p>Financial crises happen when prodctivity falls below the level required to service the debt burden. In general these are caused by matters external to the financial system, such as oil price shocks, natural disasters, wars, famine etc. </p>
<p>This crisis is caused by massive malinvestment in non-productive housing, with simultaneous underinvestment in productive industries. The &quot;shock&quot; was that investors and the Government didn&#039;t notice the problems with this. Low interest rates encourage speculation in favour of productivity; borrowing over saving. </p>
<p>The last thing this Government should be doing is propping up this system. The bust is the cure for the malinvestment of the boom. The quickest way out of this would be to hike interest rates to kill inflation, and provide stimuli for production (tax cuts, investment). We can help the banks short term, but they MUST take their losses, and they must refocus lending on production and away from speculation. </p>
<p>The working population are becoming very demoralised. Speculation has been the only game in town for 10 years, it needs to be stopped before people abandon saving, or worse, abandon the country. </p>
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		<title>By: CS London</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS London</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>House prices have to be relative to income, it is evident that the availability of cheap credit has caused a massive bubble.  There will be a price to pay for such exuberance; I do not believe this should be the burden of the taxpayer or the younger generation who are waiting patiently to own a home. 
 
Lowering interest rates in light of inflation is a short-term fix, for the long-term health of the economy they should go up.  We need a recession to correct the imbalance, I understand for a politician to say this would be political suicide. 
 
Houses prices need to come down and homes need to be seen as a place to live and not an investment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>House prices have to be relative to income, it is evident that the availability of cheap credit has caused a massive bubble.  There will be a price to pay for such exuberance; I do not believe this should be the burden of the taxpayer or the younger generation who are waiting patiently to own a home. </p>
<p>Lowering interest rates in light of inflation is a short-term fix, for the long-term health of the economy they should go up.  We need a recession to correct the imbalance, I understand for a politician to say this would be political suicide. </p>
<p>Houses prices need to come down and homes need to be seen as a place to live and not an investment. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It puzzles me why taxpayers&#039; money should be used to bail out banks that have indulged in ludicrously reckless lending. Aren&#039;t banks private companies? Why should I bail them out? They pay even minions millions in bonuses but now their stupidity is causing them pain I am supposed to bail them out! I have to say the whole concept makes me furious. 
 
We have an economy which is now based on debt. Without ever increasing debt we have no growth. Anyone could see that this state of affairs could not last forever yet, during the last 11 years the conservatives have been strangely quiet about this. When was chancellor Brown ever called to account and ridiculed over his boasts of 48 consecutive quarters of growth? It&#039;s easy to get growth against a benign background of low inflation courtesy of Chindia&#039;s emergence as the world&#039;s manufacturer because, as we all know, when interest rates are low people will borrow more. 
 
When did the conservatives call Brown to account for the endlessly fiddled inflation figures? Even now we&#039;re told inflation is 2.6% when in fact it is well above 5%. The whole thing baffles me. There has been utter silence from the opposition of the last 5 or 6 years when it was obvious that debt was getting out of control. Brown has doubled tax revenues over the last 10 years and stood by and watched consumer debt more than double from 650 billion to 1.4 trillion. Yet no-one has been screaming &#039;this will all end in tears, you cannot have debt based growth forever&#039;. If the conservatives had been calling the government to account for this, now your warnings would have been vindicated. 
 
But instead of saying &#039;let the banks sort their own problems out, it is not the government&#039;s job to use taxpayers&#039; money to bail out banks that have lent recklessly (and which, even now, will not admit the extent of their mistakes)&#039;, you are saying &#039;let the bank of England take toxic debt as security for taxpayers&#039; money&#039;. This is wrong in my book and will simply prolong the agony. 
 
A 3 bed semi near me (in Wokingham) is currently on the market for &#194;&#163;345k. How are my children ever going to be able to afford a house as humble as that. As we are at the moment, there is no future for youngsters in this country. They leave university with debts around their necks and face the prospect of having to take on mortgages of hundreds of thousands of pounds just for a shoe box to live in. The sooner we have a house price crash and get back to some reasonable relationship between house prices and salaries the better. Let the banks burn. 
 
Reply: I did oppose the change of inflation index and have regularly pointed out that true inflation is at least RPI level, not CPI. I have also opposed the great run up in government spending and debt. 
I do not favour letting the banks burn, as we all use banks to carry out our business and pay our bills. We need solvent and liquid banks. I do want the Bank of England to make more cash and bonds available, but on terms which means the taxpayer does not lose. That is the proper role of a Central Bank. Many jobs outside banking rest on getting this right. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It puzzles me why taxpayers&#039; money should be used to bail out banks that have indulged in ludicrously reckless lending. Aren&#039;t banks private companies? Why should I bail them out? They pay even minions millions in bonuses but now their stupidity is causing them pain I am supposed to bail them out! I have to say the whole concept makes me furious. </p>
<p>We have an economy which is now based on debt. Without ever increasing debt we have no growth. Anyone could see that this state of affairs could not last forever yet, during the last 11 years the conservatives have been strangely quiet about this. When was chancellor Brown ever called to account and ridiculed over his boasts of 48 consecutive quarters of growth? It&#039;s easy to get growth against a benign background of low inflation courtesy of Chindia&#039;s emergence as the world&#039;s manufacturer because, as we all know, when interest rates are low people will borrow more. </p>
<p>When did the conservatives call Brown to account for the endlessly fiddled inflation figures? Even now we&#039;re told inflation is 2.6% when in fact it is well above 5%. The whole thing baffles me. There has been utter silence from the opposition of the last 5 or 6 years when it was obvious that debt was getting out of control. Brown has doubled tax revenues over the last 10 years and stood by and watched consumer debt more than double from 650 billion to 1.4 trillion. Yet no-one has been screaming &#039;this will all end in tears, you cannot have debt based growth forever&#039;. If the conservatives had been calling the government to account for this, now your warnings would have been vindicated. </p>
<p>But instead of saying &#039;let the banks sort their own problems out, it is not the government&#039;s job to use taxpayers&#039; money to bail out banks that have lent recklessly (and which, even now, will not admit the extent of their mistakes)&#039;, you are saying &#039;let the bank of England take toxic debt as security for taxpayers&#039; money&#039;. This is wrong in my book and will simply prolong the agony. </p>
<p>A 3 bed semi near me (in Wokingham) is currently on the market for &Acirc;&pound;345k. How are my children ever going to be able to afford a house as humble as that. As we are at the moment, there is no future for youngsters in this country. They leave university with debts around their necks and face the prospect of having to take on mortgages of hundreds of thousands of pounds just for a shoe box to live in. The sooner we have a house price crash and get back to some reasonable relationship between house prices and salaries the better. Let the banks burn. </p>
<p>Reply: I did oppose the change of inflation index and have regularly pointed out that true inflation is at least RPI level, not CPI. I have also opposed the great run up in government spending and debt.<br />
I do not favour letting the banks burn, as we all use banks to carry out our business and pay our bills. We need solvent and liquid banks. I do want the Bank of England to make more cash and bonds available, but on terms which means the taxpayer does not lose. That is the proper role of a Central Bank. Many jobs outside banking rest on getting this right. </p>
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