Comments on: Care for the elderly debate reveals the unfairness of devolution http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Wed, 23 May 2012 13:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: m bell http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3238 m bell Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:30:46 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3238 my father is now in need of 24 hr care my mother is in a care home i am his carer i cannot move in to look after him as i live in rented accomodation and if anything should happen to him as their house is joint owned i would be left homeless i wonder if someone could give me advice on this Reply: I think you should discuss this with your Local Authority who presumably help your father and have housing responsibilities. my father is now in need of 24 hr care my mother is in a care
home i am his carer i cannot move in to look after him as i live
in rented accomodation and if anything should happen to him
as their house is joint owned i would be left homeless i wonder
if someone could give me advice on this

Reply: I think you should discuss this with your Local Authority who presumably help your father and have housing responsibilities.

]]> By: Adrian Peirson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3237 Adrian Peirson Wed, 14 May 2008 21:50:52 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3237 When I become Prime Minister I will scrap taxes on Pensions for the over 65's. Giving them more well earned cash which they will spend so stimulating the economy. I will also give Pensioners access to the Capital of their Pensions anuity, not just the Interest from their Pension Pot (Annuity) It's their Money, why shoud the Pension Co Keep the capital when the Pensioner dies. It belongs to their Family. Oh yes and this Credit Crunch thing, you have to think outside the Box John, as a one off, write off everybody's Mortgage Debt. With the extra cash everybody will have they will help stimulate the economy. Punish the Bankers John, not the Public. Bank notes are not worth £5, £10 £20 they cost pennies to Print and credit is Just thin air. These are Private companies, would I be allowed to set up a company like that. isuing thin air credit under pain of reposessio iof the Borrower fails to keep up paying interest on this thin air. Our Money system is a fraud. Deliberately lowering interest rates to ensnare Borrowers then raising it again to haul in the assets of those families who have over stretched themselves. Recessions are deliberately Planned by the Global elite. The Money Masters Reply: Paper money is not a fraud - all the time people have confidence in it it is a very useful means of exchange. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnwLgrSJZKs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnwLgrSJZKs</a> When I become Prime Minister I will scrap taxes on Pensions for the over 65's. Giving them more well earned cash which they will spend so stimulating the economy.

I will also give Pensioners access to the Capital of their Pensions anuity, not just the Interest from their Pension Pot (Annuity)
It's their Money, why shoud the Pension Co Keep the capital when the Pensioner dies. It belongs to their Family.

Oh yes and this Credit Crunch thing, you have to think outside the Box John, as a one off, write off everybody's Mortgage Debt.

With the extra cash everybody will have they will help stimulate the economy.

Punish the Bankers John, not the Public.

Bank notes are not worth £5, £10 £20 they cost pennies to Print and credit is Just thin air.
These are Private companies, would I be allowed to set up a company like that. isuing thin air credit under pain of reposessio iof the Borrower fails to keep up paying interest on this thin air.
Our Money system is a fraud.

Deliberately lowering interest rates to ensnare Borrowers then raising it again to haul in the assets of those families who have over stretched themselves.

Recessions are deliberately Planned by the Global elite.

The Money Masters

Reply: Paper money is not a fraud – all the time people have confidence in it it is a very useful means of exchange. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnwLgrSJZKs

]]> By: APL http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3236 APL Tue, 13 May 2008 21:07:26 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3236 John: "Of course HIS future is financially secure so he has no worries." It is even better than that. While most of us, hoi polloi will be paying for Brown to survey from a vantage of some comfort during his dotage, all he has destroyed. Each of us that is, who still holds a job, or a pension that might just keep his or her head above the rising tide. John: "Of course HIS future is financially secure so he has no worries."

It is even better than that. While most of us, hoi polloi will be paying for Brown to survey from a vantage of some comfort during his dotage, all he has destroyed.

Each of us that is, who still holds a job, or a pension that might just keep his or her head above the rising tide.

]]> By: mike stallard http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3235 mike stallard Mon, 12 May 2008 19:28:16 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3235 I am in my late sixties. No real pension - although we escaped Mr Brown's destructive pension tax and now have a house and enough to live on comfortably, but not richly. All this is due to my parents' and wife's parents' foresight. My mother is in her late nineties and lives in a granny flat with my brother and his wife. If, however, she has to go into a home, we lose both the house (in her name) and the savings (we have to live somewhere). Of course, we take turns in looking after her too, just as she looked after her own mother-in-law. With luck, we might get through. Without luck, however, we shall be dished. Mr Brown is in no position to help us. The attitude of the BBC and Government towards "old people" is summed up with a caricature - the elderly, idiotic widow whingeing about heating bills. If this was done, say, to black people, there would be an outcry. The ultimate insult, in my opioion is the winter fuel allowance. He needs to reduce taxation for everyone rather than do some more condescending fiddling with other people's lives. I am in my late sixties. No real pension – although we escaped Mr Brown's destructive pension tax and now have a house and enough to live on comfortably, but not richly. All this is due to my parents' and wife's parents' foresight.
My mother is in her late nineties and lives in a granny flat with my brother and his wife. If, however, she has to go into a home, we lose both the house (in her name) and the savings (we have to live somewhere). Of course, we take turns in looking after her too, just as she looked after her own mother-in-law.
With luck, we might get through. Without luck, however, we shall be dished.
Mr Brown is in no position to help us.
The attitude of the BBC and Government towards "old people" is summed up with a caricature – the elderly, idiotic widow whingeing about heating bills. If this was done, say, to black people, there would be an outcry.
The ultimate insult, in my opioion is the winter fuel allowance.
He needs to reduce taxation for everyone rather than do some more condescending fiddling with other people's lives.

]]> By: Derek http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3234 Derek Mon, 12 May 2008 18:46:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3234 The problem with the selling homes to pay for care issue is that those who have squandered money have the fees paid by the state. Many people who have dilligently and conscientiously put money aside for retirement are aggrieved when they see the feckless, who haven't, are no worse off. If this issue was addressed I'm sure you'd see less irate constituents. I appreciate that it is a very difficult issue. The problem with the selling homes to pay for care issue is that those who have squandered money have the fees paid by the state. Many people who have dilligently and conscientiously put money aside for retirement are aggrieved when they see the feckless, who haven't, are no worse off. If this issue was addressed I'm sure you'd see less irate constituents. I appreciate that it is a very difficult issue.

]]> By: John http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3233 John Mon, 12 May 2008 17:20:26 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3233 Many of us are concerned about affording to keep a roof over our heads now, never mind decades ahead when we become the 'elderly'. Rising oil prices, food and utility bills are taking a higher percentage of our disposable income almost on a weekly basis, and Brown wants us to think about way in the future? Of course HIS future is financially secure so he has no worries. Many of us are concerned about affording to keep a roof over our heads now, never mind decades ahead when we become the 'elderly'.
Rising oil prices, food and utility bills are taking a higher percentage of our disposable income almost on a weekly basis, and Brown wants us to think about way in the future?
Of course HIS future is financially secure so he has no worries.

]]> By: Long-term Care for the Elderly - A Revelation « A Logical Fallacy http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3232 Long-term Care for the Elderly - A Revelation « A Logical Fallacy Mon, 12 May 2008 13:36:51 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3232 [...] a nice critique of the Government’s proposals and the current system, John Redwood MP, reviews the choices open to elderly and raises the dreaded spectre of devolution as a possible [...] [...] a nice critique of the Government’s proposals and the current system, John Redwood MP, reviews the choices open to elderly and raises the dreaded spectre of devolution as a possible [...]

]]> By: Tony Makara http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3231 Tony Makara Mon, 12 May 2008 09:58:38 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3231 It is suprising that government does not do more to involve families in care for the elderly. I am part of a very large extended family and we, as a family, have a 'policy' that we will never allow any family member to be shunted off into a care home. For us the very idea of putting an elderly relative into a care home is shocking, even disrespectful. In the last years of life we feel that a relative should have the self-respect that comes from living at home or with another family member. A Conservative government, with its support for family and community values, must openly encourage families to support their elderly. Fifty years ago families looking after their own was the norm. We must return to that culture. People deseve dignity in the final years of their life and they don't get that in the communal atmosphere of old people's homes. It is suprising that government does not do more to involve families in care for the elderly. I am part of a very large extended family and we, as a family, have a 'policy' that we will never allow any family member to be shunted off into a care home. For us the very idea of putting an elderly relative into a care home is shocking, even disrespectful. In the last years of life we feel that a relative should have the self-respect that comes from living at home or with another family member. A Conservative government, with its support for family and community values, must openly encourage families to support their elderly. Fifty years ago families looking after their own was the norm. We must return to that culture. People deseve dignity in the final years of their life and they don't get that in the communal atmosphere of old people's homes.

]]> By: Iain http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3230 Iain Mon, 12 May 2008 09:45:01 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3230 Not so much a question of who pays, but what should be the allocation of resources from our tax base? For its about choices, as such I don't think you would need too may guesses to figure out the electorates choice between paying to ensure our elderly get the appropriate care, or funding the EU, for the two costs seem to be equivalent, unfortunately the British political establishment cry poor when money is needed to look after the needy in our society, yet pour our tax money into the undeserving EU trough. But I would agree with you about Gordon Brown looking to score an own goal, ( he seems particularly adept at this ), for when constitutional issues are bubbling to the surface again, which highlights his lack of mandate to dictate policy in England, the last thing you would have thought he wanted to publicise was the lack of fairness in what the English elderly receive compared to his own Scottish elderly. A disparity he was the architect of in the generous funding he kept flowing to Scotland, and also as Chancellor he denied to English people, for he was the one to say such funding for the English elderly was unaffordable, and single handily undermined the Parliamentary attempt to get such funding for England’s pensioners. Not so much a question of who pays, but what should be the allocation of resources from our tax base? For its about choices, as such I don't think you would need too may guesses to figure out the electorates choice between paying to ensure our elderly get the appropriate care, or funding the EU, for the two costs seem to be equivalent, unfortunately the British political establishment cry poor when money is needed to look after the needy in our society, yet pour our tax money into the undeserving EU trough.

But I would agree with you about Gordon Brown looking to score an own goal, ( he seems particularly adept at this ), for when constitutional issues are bubbling to the surface again, which highlights his lack of mandate to dictate policy in England, the last thing you would have thought he wanted to publicise was the lack of fairness in what the English elderly receive compared to his own Scottish elderly. A disparity he was the architect of in the generous funding he kept flowing to Scotland, and also as Chancellor he denied to English people, for he was the one to say such funding for the English elderly was unaffordable, and single handily undermined the Parliamentary attempt to get such funding for England’s pensioners.

]]> By: ROJ http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/12/care-for-the-elderly-debate-reveals-the-unfairness-of-devolution/#comment-3229 ROJ Mon, 12 May 2008 08:48:42 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1068#comment-3229 John, what exactly is the problem with the idea of people selling an asset that they no longer need – that is, their former home – in order to fund the residential care that they now need? The constituents complaining in your surgery are no doubt delighted with the idea of raising the IHT limits, but it would appear that they also want other taxpayers to step in to protect the value of their anticipated legacy. Reply: The constituents want to inherit it. I was merely stating the feeling. We never in government removed the requirement to pay if you could. John, what exactly is the problem with the idea of people selling an asset that they no longer need – that is, their former home – in order to fund the residential care that they now need? The constituents complaining in your surgery are no doubt delighted with the idea of raising the IHT limits, but it would appear that they also want other taxpayers to step in to protect the value of their anticipated legacy.

Reply: The constituents want to inherit it. I was merely stating the feeling. We never in government removed the requirement to pay if you could.

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