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	<title>Comments on: 510 years ago the Portuguese reached India by sea</title>
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		<title>By: william s</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/20/520-years-ago-the-portuguese-reached-india-by-sea/#comment-3449</link>
		<dc:creator>william s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, stop bigging up India and Indians. They love doing that themselves.  Even though the basis of their new wealth is technologies invented by the US and UK. 
 
The UK must stop importing doctors, IT workers and other skilled professionals. Fix the education system and Britain is more than capable of meeting its own needs in these and other areas - as well as astonishing the world with it&#039;s innovation. 
 
Given the resource squeeze in food and energy is importing masses amounts of people who really feel no alliance to Britain - or Europe - a good idea. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, stop bigging up India and Indians. They love doing that themselves.  Even though the basis of their new wealth is technologies invented by the US and UK. </p>
<p>The UK must stop importing doctors, IT workers and other skilled professionals. Fix the education system and Britain is more than capable of meeting its own needs in these and other areas &#8211; as well as astonishing the world with it&#039;s innovation. </p>
<p>Given the resource squeeze in food and energy is importing masses amounts of people who really feel no alliance to Britain &#8211; or Europe &#8211; a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was taught at school that it was the Europeans who discovered the world and that before people like Magellan and Da Gama, large parts were completely unknown! 
Erm...... 
More recently, I had the great pleasure of reading 1421. The Chinese, of course, got there first with Junks that dwarfed our little European ships. 
I have been in a magnificent Arab Dhow, too - unforgettable! 
And even today, in Dubai harbour, the Indian wooden ships come in - nowadays under internal combustion. 
When I was drawing sketches of people in the Malls,  I noticed that compared to the Africans, Chinese and Arabs, the Indians are the people who most resemble us English. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was taught at school that it was the Europeans who discovered the world and that before people like Magellan and Da Gama, large parts were completely unknown!<br />
Erm&#8230;&#8230;<br />
More recently, I had the great pleasure of reading 1421. The Chinese, of course, got there first with Junks that dwarfed our little European ships.<br />
I have been in a magnificent Arab Dhow, too &#8211; unforgettable!<br />
And even today, in Dubai harbour, the Indian wooden ships come in &#8211; nowadays under internal combustion.<br />
When I was drawing sketches of people in the Malls,  I noticed that compared to the Africans, Chinese and Arabs, the Indians are the people who most resemble us English.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeborn John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeborn John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 08:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the church in Kochi a few years ago where Vasco de Gama was buried. The Portuguese have left quite a heritage in what is perhaps India&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s most beautiful city. The legacy of British colonial architecture in India might pale in comparison to the Portuguese (not to mention the Mughals) but our influence can be felt in other ways. 
 
I was in India in January at the time of Gordon Brown&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s visit the country. I was struck by the televised &#226;&#8364;&#339;UK-India&#226;&#8364; debate attended by government and business leaders (e.g. Richard Branson, Arun Sarin of Vodafone, Karan Bilimoria of Cobra Beer, etc) and academics. What struck me most was the almost unquestioned assumption by both Britons and Indians of what might be called the Anglo-Saxon orthodoxy of open markets and individual entrepreneurship. Richard Branson made a strong case for the British and Indian governments dismantling precisely the kind of protectionist measures that president Sarkozy of France still seems to believe in 250 years after their debunking by Adam Smith. That no one on the Indian side seemed to question the liberal economic orthodoxy is quite a change in a country once famed for its &#226;&#8364;&#732;permit economy&#226;&#8364;&#8482; where more entrepreneurial activity was devoted to obtaining the license from officialdom necessary to be in business than was devoted to actually producing goods or services that people might want to buy. The rise of 
India however seems to date from precisely the point in time at which these practices were abandoned and they opened up to the globalising world. Following this televised &#226;&#8364;&#339;UK &#226;&#8364;&#8220; India&#226;&#8364; debate I was left with the strong impression that the UK shares more of a common political and economic culture with far-away India than it does with all those European countries that still bang-on about their &#226;&#8364;&#732;social model&#226;&#8364;&#8482;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the church in Kochi a few years ago where Vasco de Gama was buried. The Portuguese have left quite a heritage in what is perhaps India&acirc;&euro;&trade;s most beautiful city. The legacy of British colonial architecture in India might pale in comparison to the Portuguese (not to mention the Mughals) but our influence can be felt in other ways. </p>
<p>I was in India in January at the time of Gordon Brown&acirc;&euro;&trade;s visit the country. I was struck by the televised &acirc;&euro;&oelig;UK-India&acirc;&euro; debate attended by government and business leaders (e.g. Richard Branson, Arun Sarin of Vodafone, Karan Bilimoria of Cobra Beer, etc) and academics. What struck me most was the almost unquestioned assumption by both Britons and Indians of what might be called the Anglo-Saxon orthodoxy of open markets and individual entrepreneurship. Richard Branson made a strong case for the British and Indian governments dismantling precisely the kind of protectionist measures that president Sarkozy of France still seems to believe in 250 years after their debunking by Adam Smith. That no one on the Indian side seemed to question the liberal economic orthodoxy is quite a change in a country once famed for its &acirc;&euro;&tilde;permit economy&acirc;&euro;&trade; where more entrepreneurial activity was devoted to obtaining the license from officialdom necessary to be in business than was devoted to actually producing goods or services that people might want to buy. The rise of<br />
India however seems to date from precisely the point in time at which these practices were abandoned and they opened up to the globalising world. Following this televised &acirc;&euro;&oelig;UK &acirc;&euro;&ldquo; India&acirc;&euro; debate I was left with the strong impression that the UK shares more of a common political and economic culture with far-away India than it does with all those European countries that still bang-on about their &acirc;&euro;&tilde;social model&acirc;&euro;&trade;.</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 07:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The arrival of the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean is hardly an unmixed blessing. The ocean had been developed for trade and transport for centuries before their arrival and their incursion into the area was often  devastating . 
There had been a large Christian community around Kerala since AD 50-ish having been established by St Thomas in the first wave of Christian evangelism by one of the original apostles . 
The Portuguse found these Indian  Christians practising in non-Catholic ways,accused them of heresy and killed as many as possible. 
My own response to reading of Portuguese colonialism  is repulsion at the quite sadistic violence  that seems so prevalent . </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arrival of the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean is hardly an unmixed blessing. The ocean had been developed for trade and transport for centuries before their arrival and their incursion into the area was often  devastating .<br />
There had been a large Christian community around Kerala since AD 50-ish having been established by St Thomas in the first wave of Christian evangelism by one of the original apostles .<br />
The Portuguse found these Indian  Christians practising in non-Catholic ways,accused them of heresy and killed as many as possible.<br />
My own response to reading of Portuguese colonialism  is repulsion at the quite sadistic violence  that seems so prevalent .</p>
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		<title>By: Donitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that when I think of trade with India, tea, curry and irritating call centres spring to mind. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that when I think of trade with India, tea, curry and irritating call centres spring to mind.</p>
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