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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/28/the-government-still-dithers-over-tax-and-spend/#comment-3610</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, well done for saying this &lt;i&gt;Curbing spending is now very easy, because administrative staff numbers are so high, quangoland is so bloated, and the core public sector is profligate.&lt;/i&gt; But will the next Tory government follow this advice? 
 
Reply: I trust so - David Cameron made a good speech on waste recently </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, well done for saying this <i>Curbing spending is now very easy, because administrative staff numbers are so high, quangoland is so bloated, and the core public sector is profligate.</i> But will the next Tory government follow this advice? </p>
<p>Reply: I trust so &#8211; David Cameron made a good speech on waste recently</p>
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		<title>By: Donitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe that the only credible political party are doing enough to make the public aware of how much they are being TAXED by the socialists. 
 
As an example a &quot;Champagne Socialist&quot; friend of mine who is a well respected doctor involved in neuro research within the NHS in Cambridge stated &quot;if we increased income tax by only 1p in the pound we could have the NHS we all deserve&quot;. 
 
I tried to explain to her the economic principle of a taxation bell curve that if taxation is too high the tax take is actually less as more people avoid paying or refuse to work. She seems totally oblivious to the rampant tax and spend of Labour. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe that the only credible political party are doing enough to make the public aware of how much they are being TAXED by the socialists. </p>
<p>As an example a &quot;Champagne Socialist&quot; friend of mine who is a well respected doctor involved in neuro research within the NHS in Cambridge stated &quot;if we increased income tax by only 1p in the pound we could have the NHS we all deserve&quot;. </p>
<p>I tried to explain to her the economic principle of a taxation bell curve that if taxation is too high the tax take is actually less as more people avoid paying or refuse to work. She seems totally oblivious to the rampant tax and spend of Labour.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 07:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure I read somewhere recently that Transport for London employs 16 people on salaries of over &#194;&#163;150,000 a year. That&#039;s more than the Prime Minister is paid! As a voter and taxpayer I wonder if such largesse extends to other Government bodies and Quangos. 
 
I cannot believe that the Government cannot find a 15% cost saving in it&#039;s budget easily. Even a saving of 10% would amount to over &#194;&#163;60bn at a time where taxpayers are having to make drastic economies to cover the increased costs of mortgages, fuel and food (and tax!) 
 
But despite a Government clearly incapable of managing it&#039;s own costs, I remain to be convinced that the David Cameron would be strong enough to take a suitably large knife to Government spending. I know that is something Mr Redwood believes in strongly, but he&#039;s not leading the Conservatives. Cameron dances around the subject when he should be making a commitment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sure I read somewhere recently that Transport for London employs 16 people on salaries of over &Acirc;&pound;150,000 a year. That&#039;s more than the Prime Minister is paid! As a voter and taxpayer I wonder if such largesse extends to other Government bodies and Quangos. </p>
<p>I cannot believe that the Government cannot find a 15% cost saving in it&#039;s budget easily. Even a saving of 10% would amount to over &Acirc;&pound;60bn at a time where taxpayers are having to make drastic economies to cover the increased costs of mortgages, fuel and food (and tax!) </p>
<p>But despite a Government clearly incapable of managing it&#039;s own costs, I remain to be convinced that the David Cameron would be strong enough to take a suitably large knife to Government spending. I know that is something Mr Redwood believes in strongly, but he&#039;s not leading the Conservatives. Cameron dances around the subject when he should be making a commitment.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the government have defended the jump in profits of the oil companies

so much for the peoples representatives.

the oil crisis is fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the government have defended the jump in profits of the oil companies</p>
<p>so much for the peoples representatives.</p>
<p>the oil crisis is fake.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Redwood, 
 
You talk as if your party in government has acted with perfect hindsight.  I have no direct experience of government but have seen a lot.  You guys are all the same.  &quot;this lady&#039;s not for turning!&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Redwood, </p>
<p>You talk as if your party in government has acted with perfect hindsight.  I have no direct experience of government but have seen a lot.  You guys are all the same.  &quot;this lady&#039;s not for turning!&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: William B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>William B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One aspect of government spending which received little attention but, in my opinion, deserves more is the use of consultants both on matters of policy and matters of administration. 
 
It is hard to believe that the civil service does not already contain people with appropriate knowledge and experience to assist government on almost any issue without the need for any additional expenditure.  But where additional expertise is needed I see no reason why it must always be paid for at premium rates. 
 
A lesson can be learned from the way Parliamentary Select Committees gather expert opinions and advice.  When a matter is being considered they invite contributions from the public and receive detailed and highly informative submissions from genuine experts.  Such submissions are made free of charge because people consider their contributions to informed debate that can help improve law-making to be a matter of public service. 
 
I know not whether this is a practical suggestion, but why not prevent government from hiring any external consultants without the consent of the relevant Commons Select Committee?  It would certainly focus minds on whether there is any genuine need for paid external help. 
 
In a similar vein we saw recently a most bizarre situation in which companies bidding to take over Northern Rock had their costs paid out of the public purse.  They would not have been bidding at all if they did not see a potential profit and I see no reason why such a normal business cost should be paid by taxpayers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One aspect of government spending which received little attention but, in my opinion, deserves more is the use of consultants both on matters of policy and matters of administration. </p>
<p>It is hard to believe that the civil service does not already contain people with appropriate knowledge and experience to assist government on almost any issue without the need for any additional expenditure.  But where additional expertise is needed I see no reason why it must always be paid for at premium rates. </p>
<p>A lesson can be learned from the way Parliamentary Select Committees gather expert opinions and advice.  When a matter is being considered they invite contributions from the public and receive detailed and highly informative submissions from genuine experts.  Such submissions are made free of charge because people consider their contributions to informed debate that can help improve law-making to be a matter of public service. </p>
<p>I know not whether this is a practical suggestion, but why not prevent government from hiring any external consultants without the consent of the relevant Commons Select Committee?  It would certainly focus minds on whether there is any genuine need for paid external help. </p>
<p>In a similar vein we saw recently a most bizarre situation in which companies bidding to take over Northern Rock had their costs paid out of the public purse.  They would not have been bidding at all if they did not see a potential profit and I see no reason why such a normal business cost should be paid by taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m slightly off topic but I was wondering what do you suggest an incoming Conservative government should do about PFI spending. 
 
Presumably, these are legally-watertight contracts which any administration is committed to paying out for over the next 30 years (and assume Mr Brown, as is his wont, went to some trouble to lock a succeeding administration into that commitment). 
 
Not much room for negotiation, then. Horrendous penalties for early termination. 
 
The question is: Are you stuck with this multi-billion pound set of gorillas on the balance sheet? 
 
Reply: Yes, with some of them. They will need review to see how we can manage the risks better. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m slightly off topic but I was wondering what do you suggest an incoming Conservative government should do about PFI spending. </p>
<p>Presumably, these are legally-watertight contracts which any administration is committed to paying out for over the next 30 years (and assume Mr Brown, as is his wont, went to some trouble to lock a succeeding administration into that commitment). </p>
<p>Not much room for negotiation, then. Horrendous penalties for early termination. </p>
<p>The question is: Are you stuck with this multi-billion pound set of gorillas on the balance sheet? </p>
<p>Reply: Yes, with some of them. They will need review to see how we can manage the risks better.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re wasting your time trying to educate the Nasty Party, John. You can talk common sense to them till you&#039;re blue in the face and they still won&#039;t get it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re wasting your time trying to educate the Nasty Party, John. You can talk common sense to them till you&#039;re blue in the face and they still won&#039;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, fix the economy, but please fix society too &#171; the wilted rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, fix the economy, but please fix society too &#171; the wilted rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] John Redwood has, as always, brilliantly analysed the current state of taxation and spending and con....Â  Where better to start than welfare? [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John Redwood has, as always, brilliantly analysed the current state of taxation and spending and con&#8230;.Â  Where better to start than welfare? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Eyles</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Eyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is becoming abundantly clear that this government have not just allowed spending to get out of control over the last two budgets - they have no idea how much is being spent and upon what. And that situation has been getting steadily worse over the last ten years. 
 
It&#039;s not just the quangos. Take the MoD for instance. What seems to be happening is that image conscious civil servants, possibly colluding with ministers, are shunting money around so fast that the auditors cannot keep up with it. So no-one can tell if the spending for many projects is being counted once, twice, three times or (most likely) not at all. 
 
They do not know how many civil and/or public servants they employ directly. They do not know how many consultants and outside contractors they employ. They do not know how many committees they have and how much they are remunerated. They are clueless about the present and future pension commitment the taxpayer will have to stand. 
 
When the time comes for a change of government, the Tories will be forced to take a very long time just to get to grips with the scale of the problem. It will take even longer for the taxpayer to recover from the damage that this government has done to the nation. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is becoming abundantly clear that this government have not just allowed spending to get out of control over the last two budgets &#8211; they have no idea how much is being spent and upon what. And that situation has been getting steadily worse over the last ten years. </p>
<p>It&#039;s not just the quangos. Take the MoD for instance. What seems to be happening is that image conscious civil servants, possibly colluding with ministers, are shunting money around so fast that the auditors cannot keep up with it. So no-one can tell if the spending for many projects is being counted once, twice, three times or (most likely) not at all. </p>
<p>They do not know how many civil and/or public servants they employ directly. They do not know how many consultants and outside contractors they employ. They do not know how many committees they have and how much they are remunerated. They are clueless about the present and future pension commitment the taxpayer will have to stand. </p>
<p>When the time comes for a change of government, the Tories will be forced to take a very long time just to get to grips with the scale of the problem. It will take even longer for the taxpayer to recover from the damage that this government has done to the nation.</p>
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