Comments on: If the Irish have voted No to the Constitutional Treaty.. http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:05:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: mikestallard http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/#comment-3995 mikestallard Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:48:42 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1128#comment-3995 The Irish Referendum will make no difference. Already most of its ideas are being/have already been put into law. The sheer amount of luxury and money sploshing about in Brussels blinds the EU bureaucrats/politicians to the truth: they are out of touch, corrupt and despised. It takes a very different type of person to change their way of life as radically as you suggest. (Repentance/Conversion/ending an addiction?) The Irish Referendum will make no difference.
Already most of its ideas are being/have already been put into law.
The sheer amount of luxury and money sploshing about in Brussels blinds the EU bureaucrats/politicians to the truth: they are out of touch, corrupt and despised.
It takes a very different type of person to change their way of life as radically as you suggest.
(Repentance/Conversion/ending an addiction?)

]]> By: Mark Wadsworth http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/#comment-3994 Mark Wadsworth Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:49:39 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1128#comment-3994 Bob, I work in tax, the answer to your question is definitely 'yes' (as John says), EU subsidies are largely wasted wherever they go. Bob, I work in tax, the answer to your question is definitely 'yes' (as John says), EU subsidies are largely wasted wherever they go.

]]> By: David Hannah http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/#comment-3993 David Hannah Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:44:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1128#comment-3993 Now that the pesky voters have had their fun, we can all watch in awe as the EU's elite display further contempt for democracy and implement the main provisions of the treaty anyway (after all, the treaty is far to important to be detained by us mere plebs). The French are already saying that the result should not prevent the others from ratifying the treaty. So much for the required unanimity! We're already hearing about "Bridging Instruments", which will allow the treaty to come into force without Ireland as a signatory. Ireland will be brought back into the fold subsequently using a forthcoming accession treaty for further enlargement. This subsequent treaty will, of course, not require a referendum (quelle surprise). Ainsi, nous avons maintenant le "plan B". Voila! Now that the pesky voters have had their fun, we can all watch in awe as the EU's elite display further contempt for democracy and implement the main provisions of the treaty anyway (after all, the treaty is far to important to be detained by us mere plebs). The French are already saying that the result should not prevent the others from ratifying the treaty. So much for the required unanimity!

We're already hearing about "Bridging Instruments", which will allow the treaty to come into force without Ireland as a signatory. Ireland will be brought back into the fold subsequently using a forthcoming accession treaty for further enlargement. This subsequent treaty will, of course, not require a referendum (quelle surprise).

Ainsi, nous avons maintenant le "plan B". Voila!

]]> By: Susan http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/#comment-3992 Susan Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:55:28 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1128#comment-3992 It looks like a clear 'No'. What a fantastic week in politics. It looks like a clear ‘No’. What a fantastic week in politics.

]]> By: Bob http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/#comment-3991 Bob Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:36:32 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1128#comment-3991 I'm no fan of the EU, it strikes me as thouroughly anti-democratic, for a start. But I thought I'd play devil's advocate here, John, and ask you a question that I often struggle to answer. It's this: would the Irish Republic have been able to lower taxes, attract foreign investors etc, and enjoy a buoyant economy without all that all that lovely EU loot? Reply: Yes I’m no fan of the EU, it strikes me as thouroughly anti-democratic, for a start.

But I thought I’d play devil’s advocate here, John, and ask you a question that I often struggle to answer.

It’s this: would the Irish Republic have been able to lower taxes, attract foreign investors etc, and enjoy a buoyant economy without all that all that lovely EU loot?

Reply: Yes

]]> By: Mark Wadsworth http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/#comment-3990 Mark Wadsworth Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:22:42 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1128#comment-3990 Edge-of-the-seat stuff though, isn't it? I find clicking <a href="http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=irish+referendum" rel="nofollow">Newsnow</a> regularly to be most therapeutic. Edge-of-the-seat stuff though, isn’t it?

I find clicking Newsnow regularly to be most therapeutic.

]]> By: NotaSheep http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/13/if-the-irish-have-voted-no-to-the-constitutional-treaty/#comment-3989 NotaSheep Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:16:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1128#comment-3989 The EU will never stop the advance towards becoming a single country, that is its aim. The EU will never stop the advance towards becoming a single country, that is its aim.

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