Comments on: 10 years without more power grab from the EU? Who are you kidding? http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Wed, 23 May 2012 13:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: S4 http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4206 S4 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:53:24 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4206 sorry, but on the 1st Jan 2009 the British Constitution was abolished. sorry, but on the 1st Jan 2009 the British Constitution was abolished.

]]> By: Sally http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4205 Sally Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:32:53 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4205 Were any Politician genuine in what they say, then why remain silent when our own bill of rights 1689 also our constitution is more than enough to prevent what the traitors are doing? Close down the illegal BBC Get onto a national network and then call for rebellion that's what a genuine MP would be doing! Explain how the taxes are illegal above a certain amount 20% split between local and national gov. And for God's sake stop treating us like idiots! Kick all the Fabians out of Westminster inc the TORY ones otherwise the people WILL! Were any Politician genuine in what they say, then why remain silent when our own bill of rights 1689 also our constitution is more than enough to prevent what the traitors are doing?
Close down the illegal BBC Get onto a national network and then call for rebellion that's what a genuine MP would be doing!
Explain how the taxes are illegal above a certain amount 20% split between local and national gov.
And for God's sake stop treating us like idiots!
Kick all the Fabians out of Westminster inc the TORY ones otherwise the people WILL!

]]> By: Neil Craig http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4204 Neil Craig Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:26:25 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4204 "it is clear that the EU will not stop its relentless campaign for more powers, because this is actually its primary mission with all talk of real-world problem solving being merely the excuse used to justify the extension of power" Good point Freeborn john. This is a good specific instance of the general case of Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy: "In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely." The only things the EU can justify this ever closer union on is fighting terrorism, better done by Interpol etc & global warming, which has been defeated by the lack of sunspots. Shows how parasitic these people are. It also shows why efforts at reform are a task worthy of Sisyphus & we would be better off out. "it is clear that the EU will not stop its relentless campaign for more powers, because this is actually its primary mission with all talk of real-world problem solving being merely the excuse used to justify the extension of power"

Good point Freeborn john. This is a good specific instance of the general case of Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy:

"In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely."

The only things the EU can justify this ever closer union on is fighting terrorism, better done by Interpol etc & global warming, which has been defeated by the lack of sunspots. Shows how parasitic these people are. It also shows why efforts at reform are a task worthy of Sisyphus & we would be better off out.

]]> By: Adrian Peirson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4203 Adrian Peirson Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:59:35 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4203 We have traded with Europe and the World for hundreds of years, without the EU ConstiTraityTution, why do we need this now. We have traded with Europe and the World for hundreds of years, without the EU ConstiTraityTution, why do we need this now.

]]> By: Adrian Peirson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4202 Adrian Peirson Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:56:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4202 John the Surrender of Sovereignty is illegal under our constitution. Why is this happening, 80% of our Laws come from the EU now, what point a General election. If there really are 4000 extremists stalking Britain, only one jas to get lucky then Brown can Invoke the civil contingencies bill and declare martial law. <a href="http://drjn.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://drjn.co.uk/</a> John the Surrender of Sovereignty is illegal under our constitution.

Why is this happening,

80% of our Laws come from the EU now, what point a General election.
If there really are 4000 extremists stalking Britain, only one jas to get lucky then Brown can Invoke the civil contingencies bill and declare martial law.
http://drjn.co.uk/

]]> By: Bill Quango MP http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4201 Bill Quango MP Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:25:14 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4201 A Legal challenge has been bought in today . Only individuals with wealth are able to even temporarily halt the process. They keep comparing the situation to the United States seemingly forgetting that an almighty war, causing more bloodshed than any American war since, was part of the whole unifying process. "we have had our war, it was WW2"..well no it wasn't. America was effectively Two Countries forced into one. Europe is 27 and rising. That will be one hell of a bloody battle. The Eu musn't be allowed to force members. It must learn a little real Democracy. A Legal challenge has been bought in today . Only individuals with wealth are able to even temporarily halt the process.

They keep comparing the situation to the United States seemingly forgetting that an almighty war, causing more bloodshed than any American war since, was part of the whole unifying process.
"we have had our war, it was WW2"..well no it wasn't.

America was effectively Two Countries forced into one.
Europe is 27 and rising. That will be one hell of a bloody battle.
The Eu musn't be allowed to force members. It must learn a little real Democracy.

]]> By: Travis Bickle http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4200 Travis Bickle Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:46:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4200 John, the trouble is that people just don't believe that we can renegotiate our relationship with the EU. I'd suggest the Irish are in the strongest position to redefine their relationship, it's a great shame that we didn't have a UK Government with the foresight (and will) to see the strong negotiating position we could have got ourselves into with a cast iron certain NO vote. John, the trouble is that people just don't believe that we can renegotiate our relationship with the EU. I'd suggest the Irish are in the strongest position to redefine their relationship, it's a great shame that we didn't have a UK Government with the foresight (and will) to see the strong negotiating position we could have got ourselves into with a cast iron certain NO vote.

]]> By: Travis Bickle http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4199 Travis Bickle Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:26:51 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4199 Apparently the best Hilary Benn could come up with as to why we need further EU Integration is to "manage *dangerous* climate change". Just about sums up the paucity of their argument in covering up this unerring march to undemocratic federalism. Apparently the best Hilary Benn could come up with as to why we need further EU Integration is to "manage *dangerous* climate change". Just about sums up the paucity of their argument in covering up this unerring march to undemocratic federalism.

]]> By: mikestallard http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4198 mikestallard Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:21:44 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4198 I have just been reading on Open Europe the quotes from European statesmen(!?!) about what happens next. The most shocking was Shirley Williams in the Lords talking about the "guilty" Irish. It is manifestly obvious that from France, through Germany downwards to the rest, this treaty is going to be implemented. The only bright spark was the Polish Minister who asked if the Constitution could be written in language that he could understand. Mr Miliband, by not questioning the party line, is rapidly losing his creditability as future leader of the Labour rump after the next election. I think everybody can see this. I have just been reading on Open Europe the quotes from European statesmen(!?!) about what happens next.
The most shocking was Shirley Williams in the Lords talking about the "guilty" Irish.
It is manifestly obvious that from France, through Germany downwards to the rest, this treaty is going to be implemented. The only bright spark was the Polish Minister who asked if the Constitution could be written in language that he could understand.
Mr Miliband, by not questioning the party line, is rapidly losing his creditability as future leader of the Labour rump after the next election. I think everybody can see this.

]]> By: Derek W. Buxton http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/20/10-years-without-more-power-grab-from-the-eu-who-are-you-kidding/#comment-4197 Derek W. Buxton Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:26:57 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1141#comment-4197 "Renegotiate our relationship", precisely how? The EU does not take "no" for an answer and so far, with respect, few politicians have shown the least wish to renegotiate let alone the will. I recall a senior Conservative politician produced a report on reclaiming our fisheries, his name escapes me for the moment, I am sure you know who I mean, but the leader dumped it. That to me indicates that "we live in the best of all possible worlds", so get lost little man. None of the three major parties wants to listen to the people, that really is a major problem because with increasing penalties coupled with rising costs, at some stage the people will realise what has happened to their Country. "Renegotiate our relationship", precisely how? The EU does not take "no" for an answer and so far, with respect, few politicians have shown the least wish to renegotiate let alone the will. I recall a senior Conservative politician produced a report on reclaiming our fisheries, his name escapes me for the moment, I am sure you know who I mean, but the leader dumped it. That to me indicates that "we live in the best of all possible worlds", so get lost little man. None of the three major parties wants to listen to the people, that really is a major problem because with increasing penalties coupled with rising costs, at some stage the people will realise what has happened to their Country.

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