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		<title>By: average joe</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/07/25/tears-in-the-tiergarten-obama-is-just-another-politician-from-the-age-of-spin/#comment-4904</link>
		<dc:creator>average joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nasty piece, John.  You are normally a reasonable fellow but not on this ocassion. 
Obama is going to give McCain a good hiding. 
Get used to it. 
To describe Obama as a warmonger is a ridiculous statement, I just don&#039;t understand where you are coming from. 
Could it be you are upset on behalf of McCain?  The only reason he was chosen as the Republican candidate was because the Republicans know they haven&#039;t got a hope of winning. 
Politically the current Conservative leadership is closer to Obama than McCain. 
Thank God. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nasty piece, John.  You are normally a reasonable fellow but not on this ocassion.<br />
Obama is going to give McCain a good hiding.<br />
Get used to it.<br />
To describe Obama as a warmonger is a ridiculous statement, I just don&#039;t understand where you are coming from.<br />
Could it be you are upset on behalf of McCain?  The only reason he was chosen as the Republican candidate was because the Republicans know they haven&#039;t got a hope of winning.<br />
Politically the current Conservative leadership is closer to Obama than McCain.<br />
Thank God.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeborn John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeborn John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember my O-level history teacher telling me that there were only 3 British prime ministers in the 20th century who ever changed anything; Lloyd George, Clement Atlee and Margaret Thatcher. &#226;&#8364;&#339;All the rest managed the status quo&#226;&#8364; he told me. Tony Blair mentioned the word &#226;&#8364;&#339;radical&#226;&#8364; more than anyone I ever heard but he and Gordon Brown seem to have been content with a &#226;&#8364;&#732;managed decline&#226;&#8364;&#8482; of the legacy they inherited. Obama talks about &#226;&#8364;&#732;hope&#226;&#8364;&#8482; and &#226;&#8364;&#732;change&#226;&#8364;&#8482; even more than Blair talked &#226;&#8364;&#732;radical&#226;&#8364;&#8482; but I have a feeling that status-quo is what he is offering. It is curious that electorates seem to like the sound of radical change so long as they know it is not really on offer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember my O-level history teacher telling me that there were only 3 British prime ministers in the 20th century who ever changed anything; Lloyd George, Clement Atlee and Margaret Thatcher. &acirc;&euro;&oelig;All the rest managed the status quo&acirc;&euro; he told me. Tony Blair mentioned the word &acirc;&euro;&oelig;radical&acirc;&euro; more than anyone I ever heard but he and Gordon Brown seem to have been content with a &acirc;&euro;&tilde;managed decline&acirc;&euro;&trade; of the legacy they inherited. Obama talks about &acirc;&euro;&tilde;hope&acirc;&euro;&trade; and &acirc;&euro;&tilde;change&acirc;&euro;&trade; even more than Blair talked &acirc;&euro;&tilde;radical&acirc;&euro;&trade; but I have a feeling that status-quo is what he is offering. It is curious that electorates seem to like the sound of radical change so long as they know it is not really on offer.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnydub</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnydub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m disappointed in you John; I wouldn&#039;t normally accuse you of having a narrow vision. 
 
Pakistan is the single biggest issue in World security... not Iran. 
Where are al queda based.. where are the training camps.. which is the only nuclear country on the verge of civil war and failed statehood? Which other country would concede it&#039;s territory to Muslin extremists, and use them to carry out a genocide on another group with a seperatist agenda? 
 
Iran are nasty.. but predictably so... The world has to deal with their prioxies such as Hezbollah and Hamas, but these goals are understood, if incredibly difficult to achieve. 
 
Whereas Pakistan is a far more dangerous conundrum. You&#039;ve seen the huge damage that one rogue scientist achieved in spreading nuclear intelligence round the world.. Now imagine a failed state with scientists selling their knowledge for a new home... Why worry about Iran potentially building a bomb for terrorists when that scenario is much more likely today in Waziristan.... What happens if a bunch of extremist loons from Pakistan get a nuke onto Indian/ kashmiri soil? 
 
WHat Obama is doing is preparing the US and the rest of the world that they&#039;re going to have troops in the field for a long time to come, but in the right field tackling the right enemy. 
 
McCain in backing a war which was about the establishement of a 21st Century Saudi Arabia in terms of a rich pliant oil profit extravanganza in the Middle East (after that county became far too disrupted). He is committing a sin just as mortal as bush in starting it, maybe more so as with his experience you&#039;d have thought his soul would clearly drive him to ensure that american (and british) boys would not be killed in an economic profit grab for the oil cabal. 
 
Finally, as long as we&#039;re in Iraq, we&#039;re in absolutely no position to tackle Iran should that situation escalate.. and the possiblity of an Israeli air attack rushed through before Obama&#039;s potential inauguration should keep us all awake at night. 
 
Bottom line, Obama is giving a clear, consistent and morally justified road map going forward... McCain has thrown away the majority of his so called values he ran on as the maverick previously, to embrace the core Neocon bible which has got us into the incredible mess. 
 
Yes Obama is slick. But he isn&#039;t Tony Blair. There&#039;s a moral character in the man. I would implore you to reappraise him. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m disappointed in you John; I wouldn&#039;t normally accuse you of having a narrow vision. </p>
<p>Pakistan is the single biggest issue in World security&#8230; not Iran.<br />
Where are al queda based.. where are the training camps.. which is the only nuclear country on the verge of civil war and failed statehood? Which other country would concede it&#039;s territory to Muslin extremists, and use them to carry out a genocide on another group with a seperatist agenda? </p>
<p>Iran are nasty.. but predictably so&#8230; The world has to deal with their prioxies such as Hezbollah and Hamas, but these goals are understood, if incredibly difficult to achieve. </p>
<p>Whereas Pakistan is a far more dangerous conundrum. You&#039;ve seen the huge damage that one rogue scientist achieved in spreading nuclear intelligence round the world.. Now imagine a failed state with scientists selling their knowledge for a new home&#8230; Why worry about Iran potentially building a bomb for terrorists when that scenario is much more likely today in Waziristan&#8230;. What happens if a bunch of extremist loons from Pakistan get a nuke onto Indian/ kashmiri soil? </p>
<p>WHat Obama is doing is preparing the US and the rest of the world that they&#039;re going to have troops in the field for a long time to come, but in the right field tackling the right enemy. </p>
<p>McCain in backing a war which was about the establishement of a 21st Century Saudi Arabia in terms of a rich pliant oil profit extravanganza in the Middle East (after that county became far too disrupted). He is committing a sin just as mortal as bush in starting it, maybe more so as with his experience you&#039;d have thought his soul would clearly drive him to ensure that american (and british) boys would not be killed in an economic profit grab for the oil cabal. </p>
<p>Finally, as long as we&#039;re in Iraq, we&#039;re in absolutely no position to tackle Iran should that situation escalate.. and the possiblity of an Israeli air attack rushed through before Obama&#039;s potential inauguration should keep us all awake at night. </p>
<p>Bottom line, Obama is giving a clear, consistent and morally justified road map going forward&#8230; McCain has thrown away the majority of his so called values he ran on as the maverick previously, to embrace the core Neocon bible which has got us into the incredible mess. </p>
<p>Yes Obama is slick. But he isn&#039;t Tony Blair. There&#039;s a moral character in the man. I would implore you to reappraise him.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British got rather big headed after the Crimean War and this led to several fairly unnecessary wars in Africa and the North West Frontier. War became rather fun - a bit like football really - except that we were Premier league and the others were pretty much local teams. (Gordon at Khartoum?) 
And then the First World War sprung, quite unexpectedly out of the undergrowth like a hungry lion. 
 
I wonder, myself, if the USA is not at the same sort of stage in their development? I would compare the end of the Cold War to the Crimean, myself. 
And I quite agree, Senator Obama does not seem to be the man to reverse the trend. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British got rather big headed after the Crimean War and this led to several fairly unnecessary wars in Africa and the North West Frontier. War became rather fun &#8211; a bit like football really &#8211; except that we were Premier league and the others were pretty much local teams. (Gordon at Khartoum?)<br />
And then the First World War sprung, quite unexpectedly out of the undergrowth like a hungry lion. </p>
<p>I wonder, myself, if the USA is not at the same sort of stage in their development? I would compare the end of the Cold War to the Crimean, myself.<br />
And I quite agree, Senator Obama does not seem to be the man to reverse the trend.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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