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		<title>By: Judi Dalton</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/04/crumbling-britain-roads/#comment-5085</link>
		<dc:creator>Judi Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get depressed when I see the sea of posts, fences, and garish posters in my neighbourhood, especially at the Winnersh crossroads at Sainsbury&#039;s.  It feels as if I live in a prison camp.  This is repeated accross the county and the country. 
 
Instead of fences, why can&#039;t we insist on &#039;defensive hedging&#039; i.e prickly hedges that would be more of a deterent than a fence?  The ecological advantages of hedges barely need pointing out these days, except, it would seem to the council planners. Thorns, berries, purfume, oxygen etc etc. I defy any burgler to scramble through Rosa Rugosa. 
 
It&#039;s so easy to put up fences and posts, but why do I feel so hemmed in all the time? 
 
Instead of traffic lights at complicated junctions, why can&#039;t we have a police or traffic constables to stand on a podium and judge which is the most needy stream to let through?  I have waited at a red light often when there is no traffic for the other streams. They would also be able to note traffic regulation violations in place of cameras, and be a police presence. 
 
I would be happy to go to any meeting where a fence is proposed to argue the case for a hedge. 
 
We could lead the way with a pilot scheme, to reduce &#039;forests of posts&#039;, with &#039;forests of growth&#039;. 
 
 
 
Reply: Hedges can be better than fences, but it is a matter of personal taste. I favour lights with traffic sensors to improve flows at light controlled junctions. Having a police person at every jucntion 24 hours a day would be very expensive. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get depressed when I see the sea of posts, fences, and garish posters in my neighbourhood, especially at the Winnersh crossroads at Sainsbury&#039;s.  It feels as if I live in a prison camp.  This is repeated accross the county and the country. </p>
<p>Instead of fences, why can&#039;t we insist on &#039;defensive hedging&#039; i.e prickly hedges that would be more of a deterent than a fence?  The ecological advantages of hedges barely need pointing out these days, except, it would seem to the council planners. Thorns, berries, purfume, oxygen etc etc. I defy any burgler to scramble through Rosa Rugosa. </p>
<p>It&#039;s so easy to put up fences and posts, but why do I feel so hemmed in all the time? </p>
<p>Instead of traffic lights at complicated junctions, why can&#039;t we have a police or traffic constables to stand on a podium and judge which is the most needy stream to let through?  I have waited at a red light often when there is no traffic for the other streams. They would also be able to note traffic regulation violations in place of cameras, and be a police presence. </p>
<p>I would be happy to go to any meeting where a fence is proposed to argue the case for a hedge. </p>
<p>We could lead the way with a pilot scheme, to reduce &#039;forests of posts&#039;, with &#039;forests of growth&#039;. </p>
<p>Reply: Hedges can be better than fences, but it is a matter of personal taste. I favour lights with traffic sensors to improve flows at light controlled junctions. Having a police person at every jucntion 24 hours a day would be very expensive. </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Roberts</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/04/crumbling-britain-roads/#comment-5084</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything said in John&#039;s report is spot on except the selling of the roads to investment companies and the issue of tolls. 
 
Drivers already pay &#163;50 Billion every year in motoring related taxes and government spends just &#163;5.88 billion on the roads. We are seeing &#163;44 Billion in motoring taxes spent elsewhere and nobody will accept tolls on the roads we already own when &#163;44 Billion is being wasted. 
 
Roads are the arteries of the nation and a provider of economic viability. Without good roads; towns, cities and businesses wither and die. We cannot run our nation from bus stops or railway stations. 
 
Roads are required and the freedom to use them without tolls or road pricing is a basic human freedom which should never be compromised. The toll roads on the continent are mostly in socialist countries. 
 
John Redwood is not a socialist. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything said in John&#039;s report is spot on except the selling of the roads to investment companies and the issue of tolls. </p>
<p>Drivers already pay &pound;50 Billion every year in motoring related taxes and government spends just &pound;5.88 billion on the roads. We are seeing &pound;44 Billion in motoring taxes spent elsewhere and nobody will accept tolls on the roads we already own when &pound;44 Billion is being wasted. </p>
<p>Roads are the arteries of the nation and a provider of economic viability. Without good roads; towns, cities and businesses wither and die. We cannot run our nation from bus stops or railway stations. </p>
<p>Roads are required and the freedom to use them without tolls or road pricing is a basic human freedom which should never be compromised. The toll roads on the continent are mostly in socialist countries. </p>
<p>John Redwood is not a socialist. </p>
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		<title>By: f.f. Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/04/crumbling-britain-roads/#comment-5083</link>
		<dc:creator>f.f. Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just come back from a holiday in Germany, it was doubly shaming to see yet again the dreadful state of our roads compared to theirs.  Yet this is a state that has a marvellous railway system with heavy freight and passenge traffic, and wonderful urban transport systems with trams and metros galore. 
 
How can we call ourselves a successful economy when our roads and transport networks are so awful.  The Germans, and the French seem to be able to build things, yet all we do is pay millions to useless consultants to find excuses for doing nothing ! 
 
We can&#039;t even build an A303 tunnel near Stonehenge, yet in Italy, the motorways pass through mountain ranges with ease with twin 2-lane  and in some cases 3-LANE tunnels ! (look on the map near Genoa, if you don&#039;t believe it) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just come back from a holiday in Germany, it was doubly shaming to see yet again the dreadful state of our roads compared to theirs.  Yet this is a state that has a marvellous railway system with heavy freight and passenge traffic, and wonderful urban transport systems with trams and metros galore. </p>
<p>How can we call ourselves a successful economy when our roads and transport networks are so awful.  The Germans, and the French seem to be able to build things, yet all we do is pay millions to useless consultants to find excuses for doing nothing ! </p>
<p>We can&#039;t even build an A303 tunnel near Stonehenge, yet in Italy, the motorways pass through mountain ranges with ease with twin 2-lane  and in some cases 3-LANE tunnels ! (look on the map near Genoa, if you don&#039;t believe it) </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congestion in London could be reduced by mimicking `the big dig` in Boston where lengthy tunnels were built.  Some toll road tunnels joining the different motorways which terminate in London (with the occasional exit ) could take a lot of traffic off the roads in London. 
 
Those who wanted to get across significant chunks of London without 100 sets of traffic lights would be prepared to pay for the convenience (and speed). 
 
Capacity needs to be increased in other areas also.  I have experience of the Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham areas and extra capacity would be popular in those areas. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congestion in London could be reduced by mimicking `the big dig` in Boston where lengthy tunnels were built.  Some toll road tunnels joining the different motorways which terminate in London (with the occasional exit ) could take a lot of traffic off the roads in London. </p>
<p>Those who wanted to get across significant chunks of London without 100 sets of traffic lights would be prepared to pay for the convenience (and speed). </p>
<p>Capacity needs to be increased in other areas also.  I have experience of the Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham areas and extra capacity would be popular in those areas. </p>
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		<title>By: William B.</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/04/crumbling-britain-roads/#comment-5081</link>
		<dc:creator>William B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have very few tolls in this country and I would guess the vast majority of drivers have never encountered one.  Their apparent success in providing new roads without draining the public purse, as in many parts of Europe and the US, certainly makes them worth experimenting with here.  But there is a problem.  The cost will fall only on those who use the new toll road whereas off-setting the anticipated receipts against general motoring taxes will be spread among all drivers.  I can see many commuters and delivery firms having legitimate cause for complaint that they are paying a disproportionate amount for their journeys, particularly when they can see a non-toll road being built elsewhere.  This is a particular problem in these days of drivers feeling they are already a cash cow for the empty governmental purse. 
 
So far as traffic in towns and cities is concerned, I doubt that there is any way of improving matters in the long term, especially in London. 
 
It is necessary to balance volume of traffic (we don&#039;t want too much), against free-flow (we want that), against safety for pedestrians (so we can&#039;t have too much speed). 
 
The more cars in the city (bad for quality of life of residents) the slower traffic flows (good for safety of pedestrians, bad for drivers).  We can remove chicanes and change traffic light sequences (good for flow of traffic, bad for safety of pedestrians), but in doing so we will free-up capacity and lead to more people travelling by car rather than bus (bad for flow, good for safety of pedestrians). 
 
Road use in busy cities must be rationed.  It can be rationed by price (as with the congestion charge) or by comfort (if you can&#039;t get around conveniently by car because it is too slow you will look for a better alternative).  It is necessary, in my view, for some brutal honesty on this issue because it simply is not possible to accommodate all the people who would like to drive into and around our busy cities.  For every irritatingly long red light there are drivers waiting to get back into their cars once that light has been shortened, the free-flow of the 1960s will never be achieved again. 
 
I would suggest leaving towns and cities to decide on their own policies and that central government should only have policies for the national network. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have very few tolls in this country and I would guess the vast majority of drivers have never encountered one.  Their apparent success in providing new roads without draining the public purse, as in many parts of Europe and the US, certainly makes them worth experimenting with here.  But there is a problem.  The cost will fall only on those who use the new toll road whereas off-setting the anticipated receipts against general motoring taxes will be spread among all drivers.  I can see many commuters and delivery firms having legitimate cause for complaint that they are paying a disproportionate amount for their journeys, particularly when they can see a non-toll road being built elsewhere.  This is a particular problem in these days of drivers feeling they are already a cash cow for the empty governmental purse. </p>
<p>So far as traffic in towns and cities is concerned, I doubt that there is any way of improving matters in the long term, especially in London. </p>
<p>It is necessary to balance volume of traffic (we don&#039;t want too much), against free-flow (we want that), against safety for pedestrians (so we can&#039;t have too much speed). </p>
<p>The more cars in the city (bad for quality of life of residents) the slower traffic flows (good for safety of pedestrians, bad for drivers).  We can remove chicanes and change traffic light sequences (good for flow of traffic, bad for safety of pedestrians), but in doing so we will free-up capacity and lead to more people travelling by car rather than bus (bad for flow, good for safety of pedestrians). </p>
<p>Road use in busy cities must be rationed.  It can be rationed by price (as with the congestion charge) or by comfort (if you can&#039;t get around conveniently by car because it is too slow you will look for a better alternative).  It is necessary, in my view, for some brutal honesty on this issue because it simply is not possible to accommodate all the people who would like to drive into and around our busy cities.  For every irritatingly long red light there are drivers waiting to get back into their cars once that light has been shortened, the free-flow of the 1960s will never be achieved again. </p>
<p>I would suggest leaving towns and cities to decide on their own policies and that central government should only have policies for the national network. </p>
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		<title>By: wrinkled weasel</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrinkled weasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to look into molecular transporters, a la Star Trek. 
 
Seriously, for a moment, both local and national government see cars as first a source of easy revenue. Railways are just not taken seriously anymore, which is a shame because we sort of invented them. 
 
There is one thing that could be done in order to change the way we consume transport and that is to subsidise or give tax breaks to one type. If you remember, diesel used to be cheap and people bought diesels, then it was biofuels, and probably marsh gas after that. Until governments actually invest in transport for the good of the country, rather than merely using it as a source of revenue, consumers will opt for the cheapest thing. Until someone taxes it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to look into molecular transporters, a la Star Trek. </p>
<p>Seriously, for a moment, both local and national government see cars as first a source of easy revenue. Railways are just not taken seriously anymore, which is a shame because we sort of invented them. </p>
<p>There is one thing that could be done in order to change the way we consume transport and that is to subsidise or give tax breaks to one type. If you remember, diesel used to be cheap and people bought diesels, then it was biofuels, and probably marsh gas after that. Until governments actually invest in transport for the good of the country, rather than merely using it as a source of revenue, consumers will opt for the cheapest thing. Until someone taxes it. </p>
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		<title>By: no one</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/04/crumbling-britain-roads/#comment-5079</link>
		<dc:creator>no one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would just adopt all the british association of drivers policies, hook, like and sinker 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abd.org.uk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.abd.org.uk&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would just adopt all the british association of drivers policies, hook, like and sinker<br />
  <a href="http://www.abd.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.abd.org.uk</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/04/crumbling-britain-roads/#comment-5078</link>
		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those Redwoodians who have travelled sur la Continent, will have noticed the &quot;E-Route&quot; designation numbers on these roads.  You may be aware that the UK has never recognised this international routing system.  Mainly because we have embarrassingly few roads that meet the E-Route specification. 
 
One reason for this is the fact that we do not construct our roads as a collection of &quot;lanes&quot;.  You will rarely see a sign that says &quot;left lane must turn left&quot;.  UK road designers still insist on merging lanes far to often at motorway junctions.  On a three lane motorway the inside lane should become the &quot;off ramp&quot; and the two outer lanes should continue until thay are joined by the &quot;on ramp&quot;, after the junction, to make three lanes again till the next junction.  This way you reduce the &quot;brake wave&quot; of the new traffic merging onto the motorway, by far the greatest cause of traffic coming to a stop, a mile back from the junction, for no apparent reason. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those Redwoodians who have travelled sur la Continent, will have noticed the &quot;E-Route&quot; designation numbers on these roads.  You may be aware that the UK has never recognised this international routing system.  Mainly because we have embarrassingly few roads that meet the E-Route specification. </p>
<p>One reason for this is the fact that we do not construct our roads as a collection of &quot;lanes&quot;.  You will rarely see a sign that says &quot;left lane must turn left&quot;.  UK road designers still insist on merging lanes far to often at motorway junctions.  On a three lane motorway the inside lane should become the &quot;off ramp&quot; and the two outer lanes should continue until thay are joined by the &quot;on ramp&quot;, after the junction, to make three lanes again till the next junction.  This way you reduce the &quot;brake wave&quot; of the new traffic merging onto the motorway, by far the greatest cause of traffic coming to a stop, a mile back from the junction, for no apparent reason. </p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/04/crumbling-britain-roads/#comment-5077</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an obviously true article and how can I disagree? 
Yet I do have a niggling doubt. When i stayed in Texas, at San Antonio, you had a lovely historic town (the Alamo?) which was deserted except for a few drunks. Round the ring road, you had the Malls and Shopping Centers. You could drive, on a raised motorway, through the town center too. It killed off any form of urban pride. 
Dubai, I find, is a bit the same. You drive through it rather than to it. 
My own dear little Wisbech is now stringing out along the feeder road and the centre is full of second hand/charity shops. 
Handing over to the car seems to me to present problems. 
Now Amsterdam has been handed over to the cyclist - and that is a really lively little place. So is Cambridge. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an obviously true article and how can I disagree?<br />
Yet I do have a niggling doubt. When i stayed in Texas, at San Antonio, you had a lovely historic town (the Alamo?) which was deserted except for a few drunks. Round the ring road, you had the Malls and Shopping Centers. You could drive, on a raised motorway, through the town center too. It killed off any form of urban pride.<br />
Dubai, I find, is a bit the same. You drive through it rather than to it.<br />
My own dear little Wisbech is now stringing out along the feeder road and the centre is full of second hand/charity shops.<br />
Handing over to the car seems to me to present problems.<br />
Now Amsterdam has been handed over to the cyclist &#8211; and that is a really lively little place. So is Cambridge. </p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really good thing about toll roads is that people are so mean they use the local roads rather than pay the toll. I noticed this in Spain at Torrevieja - for a couple of quid, you got a really fast, excellent road for some forty miles. And, it was empty! My son, who has just come back from France, tells me exactly the same (sad?) fact about human nature in France. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really good thing about toll roads is that people are so mean they use the local roads rather than pay the toll. I noticed this in Spain at Torrevieja &#8211; for a couple of quid, you got a really fast, excellent road for some forty miles. And, it was empty! My son, who has just come back from France, tells me exactly the same (sad?) fact about human nature in France. </p>
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