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	<title>Comments on: The late departure of Ruth Kelly tells us something about transport</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Rye</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/25/the-late-departure-of-ruth-kelly-tells-us-something-about-transport/#comment-6470</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Rye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvellous - you&#039;ve fallen into a trap I didn&#039;t even set up: 
 
Saying there has been a resurgence under re-privatisation is fine if it is the market that has found its own feet and operated efficiently to improve and invest, without significant government or regulatory cap or interference, resulting in a vastly improved product or, in this case, service. The manifest evidence is that it has not. As per usual, the lazy free-marketeers - one of which appears to be your goodself - seem to forget that this has far more been a nice easy way of fast/vast shareholder profit. No, I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re far wide of the mark if you think that privatisation has sincerely helped. In fact if anything privatisation as was has largely failed, and it is the *increase* in government control - hidden and upfront - that has seen improvement. Indeed, most of the bad ideas and failures have tended to be privately initiated. See here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_British_Rail#Effects_of_privatisation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_Bri...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
What the Tories did appeared to be nothing more than spiteful and ideologically driven - almost leaving boobytraps before they knew they were going to have to leave government in 1997, and definitely not in the best interests of the country. The cynics might even say that it was, in fact, in the best interests of their dear friends in the city, but I couldn&#039;t possibly comment. 
 
The fact is that for inrastructure such as transport networks, you must have appropriate statutory controls, otherwise you get situations like the chaos in the 1990&#039;s developing - don&#039;t you remember the idea of &#039;re-timing&#039; services? 
 
And to use video-conferencing as a comparison shows a remarkable lack of understanding in the difference between telecoms and vital transport networks. Back to school for you! 
 
Reply: What nonsense. Even Mr Prescott pointed out that the railway started taking more passengers and freight once we privatised it whilst subsidy was cut. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvellous &#8211; you&#039;ve fallen into a trap I didn&#039;t even set up: </p>
<p>Saying there has been a resurgence under re-privatisation is fine if it is the market that has found its own feet and operated efficiently to improve and invest, without significant government or regulatory cap or interference, resulting in a vastly improved product or, in this case, service. The manifest evidence is that it has not. As per usual, the lazy free-marketeers &#8211; one of which appears to be your goodself &#8211; seem to forget that this has far more been a nice easy way of fast/vast shareholder profit. No, I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re far wide of the mark if you think that privatisation has sincerely helped. In fact if anything privatisation as was has largely failed, and it is the *increase* in government control &#8211; hidden and upfront &#8211; that has seen improvement. Indeed, most of the bad ideas and failures have tended to be privately initiated. See here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_British_Rail#Effects_of_privatisation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_Bri&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>What the Tories did appeared to be nothing more than spiteful and ideologically driven &#8211; almost leaving boobytraps before they knew they were going to have to leave government in 1997, and definitely not in the best interests of the country. The cynics might even say that it was, in fact, in the best interests of their dear friends in the city, but I couldn&#039;t possibly comment. </p>
<p>The fact is that for inrastructure such as transport networks, you must have appropriate statutory controls, otherwise you get situations like the chaos in the 1990&#039;s developing &#8211; don&#039;t you remember the idea of &#039;re-timing&#039; services? </p>
<p>And to use video-conferencing as a comparison shows a remarkable lack of understanding in the difference between telecoms and vital transport networks. Back to school for you! </p>
<p>Reply: What nonsense. Even Mr Prescott pointed out that the railway started taking more passengers and freight once we privatised it whilst subsidy was cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wheatley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wheatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have railways as a result of private initiative. 
 
Railways declined under nationalisation. 
 
There has been a resurgence under re-privatisation. 
 
Some railway capacity is good, but it does not follow that more is better. Some increase in capacity by better exploitation of the network is probably sensible, but building more tracks, especially more lines, is difficult and expensive. There is only so much land in Britain, and a policy to increase capacity to meet demand, irrespective of why the demand is increasing, is narrow, naive and dangerous to quality of life. 
 
If demand exceed supply, then there is the option of achieving balance by reducing demand. Video conferencing is one such way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have railways as a result of private initiative. </p>
<p>Railways declined under nationalisation. </p>
<p>There has been a resurgence under re-privatisation. </p>
<p>Some railway capacity is good, but it does not follow that more is better. Some increase in capacity by better exploitation of the network is probably sensible, but building more tracks, especially more lines, is difficult and expensive. There is only so much land in Britain, and a policy to increase capacity to meet demand, irrespective of why the demand is increasing, is narrow, naive and dangerous to quality of life. </p>
<p>If demand exceed supply, then there is the option of achieving balance by reducing demand. Video conferencing is one such way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Rye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Rye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you&#039;re talking predominantly about roads - aka money diverted *away* from public transport. You also deregulated the bus system (apart from London of course, where you couldn&#039;t possibly have got away with it) and sold off the rail network just before exiting government, both of which just created chaos, and eventually a paucity of services, particularly in rural areas. All governments of every shade for years were guilty of poor transport policy, but the difference was that the Conservative&#039;s under Thatcher and Thatcherism lite undertook a series of ideological experiments dressed up as policy, signalling shifts in investment to road building. 
 
Finally, I&#039;d also challenge your definition of what &#039;UK transport&#039; actually means, as I would the actual measure of the level investment itself, because I would be surprised if they aren&#039;t both questionable. 
 
Reply: Railways attracted more passengers and freight and became more efficient when they were fully privatised. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you&#039;re talking predominantly about roads &#8211; aka money diverted *away* from public transport. You also deregulated the bus system (apart from London of course, where you couldn&#039;t possibly have got away with it) and sold off the rail network just before exiting government, both of which just created chaos, and eventually a paucity of services, particularly in rural areas. All governments of every shade for years were guilty of poor transport policy, but the difference was that the Conservative&#039;s under Thatcher and Thatcherism lite undertook a series of ideological experiments dressed up as policy, signalling shifts in investment to road building. </p>
<p>Finally, I&#039;d also challenge your definition of what &#039;UK transport&#039; actually means, as I would the actual measure of the level investment itself, because I would be surprised if they aren&#039;t both questionable. </p>
<p>Reply: Railways attracted more passengers and freight and became more efficient when they were fully privatised.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Rye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Rye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My good god; have you forgotten what you were involved in as a minister yourself? Do you think it&#039;s straightforward to fix years and years of underinvestment, particularly by the government - and its predecessors - of which you yourself were part? Make your party political points about the Labour Government, by all means - you are entitled to that, but will you please take these issues in context? 
 
Reply We did a lot more investing in UK transport than this government has managed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My good god; have you forgotten what you were involved in as a minister yourself? Do you think it&#039;s straightforward to fix years and years of underinvestment, particularly by the government &#8211; and its predecessors &#8211; of which you yourself were part? Make your party political points about the Labour Government, by all means &#8211; you are entitled to that, but will you please take these issues in context? </p>
<p>Reply We did a lot more investing in UK transport than this government has managed.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you will find that your transport problems were mainly caused by the obvious and complete failure of the privatised railway system, instituted by the preceding Conservative government, of which you were part. Roads can only work effectively as the counterpart of an efficient overall, planned public transport system. 
If you were to visit countries like Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Switzerland, where rail is in the main publicly-owned and properly funded,  you would find things much better. 
 
Clearly that dose of reality would not sit well with the logic circuits of those convinced, despite the facts staring them in the face, that the free market always works and public ownership is always bad. Sadly for the market ideologists, this is demonstrably untrue. Markets can and do fail frequently. 
 
Reply: Markets have never been allowed to work in  transport, with nationalised roads and railways. The UK has far less road and rail capacity than the continent as government has kept us short of capacity. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you will find that your transport problems were mainly caused by the obvious and complete failure of the privatised railway system, instituted by the preceding Conservative government, of which you were part. Roads can only work effectively as the counterpart of an efficient overall, planned public transport system.<br />
If you were to visit countries like Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Switzerland, where rail is in the main publicly-owned and properly funded,  you would find things much better. </p>
<p>Clearly that dose of reality would not sit well with the logic circuits of those convinced, despite the facts staring them in the face, that the free market always works and public ownership is always bad. Sadly for the market ideologists, this is demonstrably untrue. Markets can and do fail frequently. </p>
<p>Reply: Markets have never been allowed to work in  transport, with nationalised roads and railways. The UK has far less road and rail capacity than the continent as government has kept us short of capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just been in Japan, which has a fantastic transport system, and I don&#039;t think one could get from Tokyo to Kyoto, about the same distance, in much under four hours unless one lived on top of the station. I was in west Tokyo, it took me 10 mins to walk to the JR line, 30 mins to get around, 10 mins to get a ticket, 20 mins I allowed as to not be late, 2hr 30m on the very fastest Shinkansen bullet train (2hr 50 or so would be more normal) and then about 40 mins at the other end. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve just been in Japan, which has a fantastic transport system, and I don&#039;t think one could get from Tokyo to Kyoto, about the same distance, in much under four hours unless one lived on top of the station. I was in west Tokyo, it took me 10 mins to walk to the JR line, 30 mins to get around, 10 mins to get a ticket, 20 mins I allowed as to not be late, 2hr 30m on the very fastest Shinkansen bullet train (2hr 50 or so would be more normal) and then about 40 mins at the other end.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One problem with morning meetings in Paris if you&#039;re coming from London is the time difference.  I&#039;m for keeping it, but &quot;losing&quot; an hour doesn&#039;t help if you want to get to Paris early. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem with morning meetings in Paris if you&#039;re coming from London is the time difference.  I&#039;m for keeping it, but &quot;losing&quot; an hour doesn&#039;t help if you want to get to Paris early.</p>
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		<title>By: TrevorsDen</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrevorsDen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>point taken - but  Paris is in another country.   If people want to travel to another country for a meeting than they should expect to do it overnight or go by private jet. 
 
And meetings.  MEETINGS.  Who needs em. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>point taken &#8211; but  Paris is in another country.   If people want to travel to another country for a meeting than they should expect to do it overnight or go by private jet. </p>
<p>And meetings.  MEETINGS.  Who needs em.</p>
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		<title>By: newmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gah..fat thumbs 
 
Well  am big fan as well but I cannot help but notice that Mr. Redwood is awfully quiet about his stern market  views about mortgage lending. Perhaps a defence or clarification of his position might be of interest after all we don`t want the banks run by politicians do we ...or do we ? 
 
Or  is Mr. Redwood  maintaining  a judicious silence on the subject ?...Could be .... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gah..fat thumbs </p>
<p>Well  am big fan as well but I cannot help but notice that Mr. Redwood is awfully quiet about his stern market  views about mortgage lending. Perhaps a defence or clarification of his position might be of interest after all we don`t want the banks run by politicians do we &#8230;or do we ? </p>
<p>Or  is Mr. Redwood  maintaining  a judicious silence on the subject ?&#8230;Could be &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: newmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i am  big fan as well but i cannot helop but notice that Mr.  Redwood </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i am  big fan as well but i cannot helop but notice that Mr.  Redwood</p>
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