Comments on: ID cards – No, No, No http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Wed, 23 May 2012 13:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Paul Gudgeon http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6530 Paul Gudgeon Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:54:36 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6530 Mr Redwood, Thanks for your firm stance against this insidious card. I truly hope that the conservatives can battle it out and defeat this rotten policy of a rotten labour government. So the labour government wants to monitor the population? The feeling is reciprocated. I want to check out the labour government and catch them out in their multitude of lies and plethora of smokescreens. Labour's boast when it was elected was that "things can only get better", but my experience of life under labour is that things have become significantly worse. Young people knifing and shooting in the streets. Babies being battered while councils look on making sure they fulfil labour whims? With all that happening this labour government is blowing our hard earned tax money on encumbering us with this pointless ID card. Making up stories as they go along about the benefits of this half-witted idea. They are MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO. Is that government? Aweful. I'd like to write a 10 page diatribe against this pathetic lot. Why don't they focus on the issues that *actually matter*. Protecting 17 month old infants, and dealing with knife crime? For example. I want to live with a sense of *freedom*, *peace*, safety, knowing that I can go out to a good job, and pay taxes for good, sensible services; not pipe-dreams. Mr Redwood,

Thanks for your firm stance against this insidious card. I truly hope that the conservatives can battle it out and defeat this rotten policy of a rotten labour government.

So the labour government wants to monitor the population? The feeling is reciprocated. I want to check out the labour government and catch them out in their multitude of lies and plethora of smokescreens.

Labour's boast when it was elected was that "things can only get better", but my experience of life under labour is that things have become significantly worse.

Young people knifing and shooting in the streets. Babies being battered while councils look on making sure they fulfil labour whims? With all that happening this labour government is blowing our hard earned tax money on encumbering us with this pointless ID card. Making up stories as they go along about the benefits of this half-witted idea. They are MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO. Is that government? Aweful. I'd like to write a 10 page diatribe against this pathetic lot.

Why don't they focus on the issues that *actually matter*. Protecting 17 month old infants, and dealing with knife crime? For example.

I want to live with a sense of *freedom*, *peace*, safety, knowing that I can go out to a good job, and pay taxes for good, sensible services; not pipe-dreams.

]]> By: Glen http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6529 Glen Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:34:30 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6529 Nothing to hide? Well it appears you have anticommunity tendancies as well. Trying to rubbish the culture's great leap forward to Flouresceht light bulbs which as we all know is part of the oath you have sworn to your electricty supplier! Expect a knock on your door at 3am sometime! Nothing to hide? Well it appears you have anticommunity tendancies as well. Trying to rubbish the culture's great leap forward to Flouresceht light bulbs which as we all know is part of the oath you have sworn to your electricty supplier! Expect a knock on your door at 3am sometime!

]]> By: mikestallard http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6528 mikestallard Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:08:40 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6528 What is so terribly scary is that a University should allow such a biassed dissertation in the first place. Is that impartial education, I wonder? The subliminal message is clear: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, so don't be ridiculous". I wonder how much of this thread will, for instance, be impartially reproduced in the final draft? What is so terribly scary is that a University should allow such a biassed dissertation in the first place. Is that impartial education, I wonder?
The subliminal message is clear: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, so don't be ridiculous".
I wonder how much of this thread will, for instance, be impartially reproduced in the final draft?

]]> By: Glen http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6527 Glen Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:56:59 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6527 You've had a reply on the various customer cards. My reply is about an id card. You cannot compare the two. If, as I have done, you've lived in a country that had Id cards, you would know that they can be cloned, duplicated etc. Thy do not do what the government says it wants them to do even if there was no ulterior motive. And they represent a line beyond which I do not want a generally (there are rare exceptions), immoral, untrustworthy bunch of self-interested people (politicians) to cross in my life. You seem to be quite young and nieve, have you studied too the tactics of dictatorships? Do you believe that once someone has introduced something that increases their control over another that their appetite for more will be satisfied. No, history proves the danger of allowing any state to take over too much control. Small is beautiful, large and impersonal has never worked. If you don't know me by my face then I want the option to keep my identity to myself. If you are doing your disertation, it concerns me more than somewhat that you haven't even explored the opposite side of the coin and have appeared to prejudge the result? Sorry but I don't believe you have done your homework properly. You've had a reply on the various customer cards.
My reply is about an id card.
You cannot compare the two.
If, as I have done, you've lived in a country that had Id cards, you would know that they can be cloned, duplicated etc. Thy do not do what the government says it wants them to do even if there was no ulterior motive. And they represent a line beyond which I do not want a generally (there are rare exceptions), immoral, untrustworthy bunch of self-interested people (politicians) to cross in my life.
You seem to be quite young and nieve, have you studied too the tactics of dictatorships? Do you believe that once someone has introduced something that increases their control over another that their appetite for more will be satisfied.
No, history proves the danger of allowing any state to take over too much control.
Small is beautiful, large and impersonal has never worked. If you don't know me by my face then I want the option to keep my identity to myself.
If you are doing your disertation, it concerns me more than somewhat that you haven't even explored the opposite side of the coin and have appeared to prejudge the result? Sorry but I don't believe you have done your homework properly.

]]> By: Sarah http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6526 Sarah Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:40:44 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6526 I am a final year student doing my dissertation on the ID card. I am trying to understand WHY people do not want the ID card. But mostly, I want to understand why it is acceptable in this society to have Nectar cards, Oyster cards, Library cards etc... which give those companies much more information and power on us than an ID card. Would you be willing to answer some questions via email for me? Thank you Reply: they will be useless, mandatory and entail large payments by taxpayers to buy them. The other cards you mention are useful voluntary and you only have to pay when you do something with them. I am a final year student doing my dissertation on the ID card.
I am trying to understand WHY people do not want the ID card. But mostly, I want to understand why it is acceptable in this society to have Nectar cards, Oyster cards, Library cards etc… which give those companies much more information and power on us than an ID card.
Would you be willing to answer some questions via email for me? Thank you

Reply: they will be useless, mandatory and entail large payments by taxpayers to buy them. The other cards you mention are useful voluntary and you only have to pay when you do something with them.

]]> By: Glen http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6525 Glen Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:28:20 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6525 I for one will be following the example of the black and Indian People in South Africa in the 1930s who when required by the South African Government to carry passes, decided to hold mass rallies in which they burnt their passes and rejected the whole system by civil disobedience. Nothing new under the sun except I never expected to see this behaviour from a so called democratic government. Democracy! These people dirty the word. I for one will be following the example of the black and Indian People in South Africa in the 1930s who when required by the South African Government to carry passes, decided to hold mass rallies in which they burnt their passes and rejected the whole system by civil disobedience.
Nothing new under the sun except I never expected to see this behaviour from a so called democratic government.
Democracy! These people dirty the word.

]]> By: Stuart Fairney http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6524 Stuart Fairney Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:27:05 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6524 Their remit only extends so far, and all one need do is divest oneself of assets (really quite easy) and what can the bewildered baliff take? Set aside the fact that nowhere near 100% of fines are ever collected. If an airline on seeing my passport still demands my ID card, then I'll find another airline. If the bank, after knowing me for twenty plus years demands to see my ID card, I am happy to bank offshore. In a global world government powers are more limited than they like to think. And if all else fails, I will simply leave the UK, because I am not a criminal and will not be treated like one. Their remit only extends so far, and all one need do is divest oneself of assets (really quite easy) and what can the bewildered baliff take? Set aside the fact that nowhere near 100% of fines are ever collected.

If an airline on seeing my passport still demands my ID card, then I'll find another airline. If the bank, after knowing me for twenty plus years demands to see my ID card, I am happy to bank offshore.

In a global world government powers are more limited than they like to think. And if all else fails, I will simply leave the UK, because I am not a criminal and will not be treated like one.

]]> By: 10 No6 http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6523 10 No6 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:13:50 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6523 I would like to see a mass protest against ID cards - I too will rebel and refuse it as my right is there not a politician who will pick up this human right. I would like to see a mass protest against ID cards – I too will rebel and refuse it as my right is there not a politician who will pick up this human right.

]]> By: Conservative Freedom http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6522 Conservative Freedom Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:12:05 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6522 In my humble opinion, the entire concept of introducing ID cards has been flawed from the start. Firstly, it will be very expensive to implement. Secondly, it won't help in the detection or capture of criminals (despite the claims of some). Furthermore, is there any hard evidence that such an initiative would help to reduce fraud? I have heard the argument that we should accept ID cards, simply because other Europeans do. However, the NIR (National Identity Register) proposed by Labour would have the potential to expose our lives to the scrutiny of numerous faceless bureaucrats. In my humble opinion, the entire concept of introducing ID cards has been flawed from the start. Firstly, it will be very expensive to implement. Secondly, it won't help in the detection or capture of criminals (despite the claims of some). Furthermore, is there any hard evidence that such an initiative would help to reduce fraud?

I have heard the argument that we should accept ID cards, simply because other Europeans do. However, the NIR (National Identity Register) proposed by Labour would have the potential to expose our lives to the scrutiny of numerous faceless bureaucrats.

]]> By: Andrew Forbes http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/27/id-cards-no-no-no/#comment-6521 Andrew Forbes Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:58:00 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1656#comment-6521 The only clever bit about the ID card bill (I mean clever, as in devious), is that there is no prison sentence attached to it. This means there shall be no parade of ID card matyrs, respectable middle-class tax payers 1 and all, parading off to prison. All ID card offences are punishable by ever increasing fines, so that ultimately the bailiffs will cart off your furniture. But you will never be allowed to make your stand and march proudly into prison, together with the other posters here, and me. It won't be the govt that forces you to carry an ID card, but your bank who won't give you money, or the airline that makes it so much more difficult to buy a ticket. We are completely reliant on the Tory promise to scrap the scheme. The only clever bit about the ID card bill (I mean clever, as in devious), is that there is no prison sentence attached to it. This means there shall be no parade of ID card matyrs, respectable middle-class tax payers 1 and all, parading off to prison. All ID card offences are punishable by ever increasing fines, so that ultimately the bailiffs will cart off your furniture. But you will never be allowed to make your stand and march proudly into prison, together with the other posters here, and me. It won't be the govt that forces you to carry an ID card, but your bank who won't give you money, or the airline that makes it so much more difficult to buy a ticket. We are completely reliant on the Tory promise to scrap the scheme.

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