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		<title>By: Manga</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6829</link>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6828</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Mandelson has been withdrawn as the Commissioner for Trade in Europe. 
The vacancy is to be filled by Baroness Ashton who has been made a life peer. 
In June 2001 she was made a Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State in the Department for Education and Skills. In 2002 she was appointed minister for Sure Start in the same department. In September 2004, she was made a Parliamentary Under-Secretary in the Department for Constitutional Affairs, with responsibilities including the National Archives and the Public Guardianship Office. Lady Ashton of Upholland was admitted to the Privy Council in 2006, and became Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the new Ministry of Justice in May 2007.(wikipedia) 
It is in no sense a personal attack on her to say that she has not, therefore, had that much experience with either money or trade. 
So why was she chosen? 
Jose Manuel Barroso wished to appoint a woman to balance the genders within the Commission. The fact that, being a Baroness she didn&#039;t leave a gap to be filled by a bye election has nothing to do with the matter. 
One really good thing about the EU Trade Policy is that it is transparent and also democratically accountable. It also depends on a skilled and experienced technocracy (NOT). 
And on her judgement and intelligence depends the European Project&#039;s Trade during the remains of the Credit Crunch. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Mandelson has been withdrawn as the Commissioner for Trade in Europe.<br />
The vacancy is to be filled by Baroness Ashton who has been made a life peer.<br />
In June 2001 she was made a Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State in the Department for Education and Skills. In 2002 she was appointed minister for Sure Start in the same department. In September 2004, she was made a Parliamentary Under-Secretary in the Department for Constitutional Affairs, with responsibilities including the National Archives and the Public Guardianship Office. Lady Ashton of Upholland was admitted to the Privy Council in 2006, and became Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the new Ministry of Justice in May 2007.(wikipedia)<br />
It is in no sense a personal attack on her to say that she has not, therefore, had that much experience with either money or trade.<br />
So why was she chosen?<br />
Jose Manuel Barroso wished to appoint a woman to balance the genders within the Commission. The fact that, being a Baroness she didn&#039;t leave a gap to be filled by a bye election has nothing to do with the matter.<br />
One really good thing about the EU Trade Policy is that it is transparent and also democratically accountable. It also depends on a skilled and experienced technocracy (NOT).<br />
And on her judgement and intelligence depends the European Project&#039;s Trade during the remains of the Credit Crunch. </p>
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		<title>By: Tony Makara</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6827</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Makara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel very let down by the way the Conservative party has allowed itself to be railroaded into supporting this rip-off bail-out. I always thought the Conservative party was the friend and the staunch supporter of the ordinary taxpayer yet the party&#039;s compliance with the Labour government has been a complete double cross. Of course all this means that the scope for tax cuts has completely disappeared thanks to support for the bail-out. There is a stinking hypocrisy here because we know a Conservative government would never have bailed-out any other industry, but it seems the bankers get special status and are placed above the long term best interests of the taxpayer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel very let down by the way the Conservative party has allowed itself to be railroaded into supporting this rip-off bail-out. I always thought the Conservative party was the friend and the staunch supporter of the ordinary taxpayer yet the party&#039;s compliance with the Labour government has been a complete double cross. Of course all this means that the scope for tax cuts has completely disappeared thanks to support for the bail-out. There is a stinking hypocrisy here because we know a Conservative government would never have bailed-out any other industry, but it seems the bankers get special status and are placed above the long term best interests of the taxpayer. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Taylor</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6826</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I surely cannot be alone in being hugely disappointed with the Conservative&#039;s lack of initiative or independent thought on this one.  I&#039;d like to make an observation, and offer a suggestion. 
 
First, identify the problem: it seems pretty clear that the problem is the Gordian complexity of banks&#039; derivatives positions, particularly the credit default swaps which by my calculation now have a notional value approximately 1.75 times total bank credit. Since we have the stunning example of Parmalat to show that banks lawyers cannot in the end agree where the cashflows go when the credits on these go down, the market knows, or suspects, that there&#039;s potentially an almighty but unknowable contingent liability in practically every banks&#039; books, and consequently are unwilling to lend to them. In other words, it&#039;s the sheer complexity of the situation that&#039;s killed the banks.  Think of it as an engine, all smashed up inside: then think of the rescue package as simply adding fuel in the hope that it&#039;ll restart. It won&#039;t, because these financial institutions are broken inside. 
 
Second, a possible solution.  We need to make a clear distinction between those bits of the system that are necessary, and those that aren&#039;t.  I would suggest carving out all depositors&#039; liabilities and reincorporating them into mutually-owned money market funds, if necessary backed by government assets and/or AAA corporate paper. Being mutual funds, these would need no guarantee, and, being mutual funds, would not be running loan/deposit ratios of more than 100%.   These could get on and run themselves, operating in money markets effectively without further government intervention or protection.  The rest - the great coiled and Gordian knot of unentanglable claims and counter-claims on the derivatives desks of the former banks - shouldn&#039;t be bailed out, but should rather be faced with the alternative of a radical netting-off or bankruptcy.  If they go down, that&#039;s just too bad - depositors won&#039;t be affected, and money markets will still operate. 
 
Then, third, the Conservative Party could get behind the prospect of erecting in London a responsible mass-distributed post-banking system based on a myriad of money-market mutual funds offering the full spectrum of risk/reward saving opportunities, all privately owned, and all reflecting the transparent choices of their depositors/owners.  To complement this, you&#039;d need a separate company running a settlement system (Bank of England? private company running along the lines of the National Grid?); a whole new industry of credit analysts rewarded by their success at accurately measuring credit risk; and a revivified merchant banking industry doing their traditional business of sourcing and arrangeing loans from this new, safe, and diversified market. 
 
This is a fully private-sector, 21st century alternative to the essentially 17th century form of financial organisation called &#039;commercial banks&#039; - a form of organisation which is a danger to itself and the rest of humanity. It would perform the essential functions better: by cutting out the middle man and ensuring transparency it would offer both savers and borrowers a better deal. 
 
But instead of this, it seems the Conservative Party has signed itself up to the erection of the People&#039;s Bank of Europe, in all its various forms and guises. We can do better, and should do better! Act now, vigorously, and we can secure London&#039;s lead as a financial centre in the 21st century. Carry on as we are, and someone else will do it first. . . . 
 
And you, John, are uniquely placed to help it along. Use the opportunity! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I surely cannot be alone in being hugely disappointed with the Conservative&#039;s lack of initiative or independent thought on this one.  I&#039;d like to make an observation, and offer a suggestion. </p>
<p>First, identify the problem: it seems pretty clear that the problem is the Gordian complexity of banks&#039; derivatives positions, particularly the credit default swaps which by my calculation now have a notional value approximately 1.75 times total bank credit. Since we have the stunning example of Parmalat to show that banks lawyers cannot in the end agree where the cashflows go when the credits on these go down, the market knows, or suspects, that there&#039;s potentially an almighty but unknowable contingent liability in practically every banks&#039; books, and consequently are unwilling to lend to them. In other words, it&#039;s the sheer complexity of the situation that&#039;s killed the banks.  Think of it as an engine, all smashed up inside: then think of the rescue package as simply adding fuel in the hope that it&#039;ll restart. It won&#039;t, because these financial institutions are broken inside. </p>
<p>Second, a possible solution.  We need to make a clear distinction between those bits of the system that are necessary, and those that aren&#039;t.  I would suggest carving out all depositors&#039; liabilities and reincorporating them into mutually-owned money market funds, if necessary backed by government assets and/or AAA corporate paper. Being mutual funds, these would need no guarantee, and, being mutual funds, would not be running loan/deposit ratios of more than 100%.   These could get on and run themselves, operating in money markets effectively without further government intervention or protection.  The rest &#8211; the great coiled and Gordian knot of unentanglable claims and counter-claims on the derivatives desks of the former banks &#8211; shouldn&#039;t be bailed out, but should rather be faced with the alternative of a radical netting-off or bankruptcy.  If they go down, that&#039;s just too bad &#8211; depositors won&#039;t be affected, and money markets will still operate. </p>
<p>Then, third, the Conservative Party could get behind the prospect of erecting in London a responsible mass-distributed post-banking system based on a myriad of money-market mutual funds offering the full spectrum of risk/reward saving opportunities, all privately owned, and all reflecting the transparent choices of their depositors/owners.  To complement this, you&#039;d need a separate company running a settlement system (Bank of England? private company running along the lines of the National Grid?); a whole new industry of credit analysts rewarded by their success at accurately measuring credit risk; and a revivified merchant banking industry doing their traditional business of sourcing and arrangeing loans from this new, safe, and diversified market. </p>
<p>This is a fully private-sector, 21st century alternative to the essentially 17th century form of financial organisation called &#039;commercial banks&#039; &#8211; a form of organisation which is a danger to itself and the rest of humanity. It would perform the essential functions better: by cutting out the middle man and ensuring transparency it would offer both savers and borrowers a better deal. </p>
<p>But instead of this, it seems the Conservative Party has signed itself up to the erection of the People&#039;s Bank of Europe, in all its various forms and guises. We can do better, and should do better! Act now, vigorously, and we can secure London&#039;s lead as a financial centre in the 21st century. Carry on as we are, and someone else will do it first. . . . </p>
<p>And you, John, are uniquely placed to help it along. Use the opportunity! </p>
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		<title>By: anoneumouse</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6825</link>
		<dc:creator>anoneumouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are banks being given preference over other businesses when it comes to competition rules. 
 
Why should Banks be favoured in this way when other businesses are abandoned, indeed often driven into insolvency, by the government for whom insolvency proceedings are a preferred method of tax enforcement? 
 
There is a fundamental point at issue here </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are banks being given preference over other businesses when it comes to competition rules. </p>
<p>Why should Banks be favoured in this way when other businesses are abandoned, indeed often driven into insolvency, by the government for whom insolvency proceedings are a preferred method of tax enforcement? </p>
<p>There is a fundamental point at issue here </p>
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		<title>By: Puncheon</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6824</link>
		<dc:creator>Puncheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despair of the Conservative Parliamentary Party.  They have allowed themselves to be suckered into supporting a deadbeat Government policy, just like they were over Iraq.  Bi-partisan politics is not in the interests of the citizens/taxpayers.  It&#039;s just a get out for lazy/cowardly opposition parties.  Cameron is not paid to sit their like a nodding donkey while Brown continues to destroy what&#039;s left of the UK, he is paid to analyse and oppose.  Because of his love affair with the, largely imaginary, centre ground Cameron is bleeding votes the BNP and others.  Osborne looks like a little boy who&#039;s wandered into a saloon bar fight and the others are little better.  Only Clarke and Hague seem to know how to handle to rough stuff. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despair of the Conservative Parliamentary Party.  They have allowed themselves to be suckered into supporting a deadbeat Government policy, just like they were over Iraq.  Bi-partisan politics is not in the interests of the citizens/taxpayers.  It&#039;s just a get out for lazy/cowardly opposition parties.  Cameron is not paid to sit their like a nodding donkey while Brown continues to destroy what&#039;s left of the UK, he is paid to analyse and oppose.  Because of his love affair with the, largely imaginary, centre ground Cameron is bleeding votes the BNP and others.  Osborne looks like a little boy who&#039;s wandered into a saloon bar fight and the others are little better.  Only Clarke and Hague seem to know how to handle to rough stuff. </p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6823</link>
		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&amp;sid=ayfAvQTQYzOA&amp;refer=uk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&amp;a...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
&quot;We are taking legal action against the Icelandic authorities,&#039;&#039; Prime Minister told journalists at a press conference at 10 Downing Street today. &quot;We are showing by our action that we stand by people who save.&#039;&#039; 
 
Gordon really is (wrong-ed). The whole of Iceland is bankrupt and he is going to sue them. 
 
Actually, I rather feel sorry for the Icelanders. Brown desperate to garner votes thinks this is the way to do it. 
 
East Anglian Troy: &quot;the British taxpayers, are to bail out all the cretins that put more than &#163;50,000 into that dodgy foreign bank (Icesave) that was paying an excessive rate of interest. &quot; 
 
Problem is EAT. the Great British government (AKA the FSA) permitted them to operate in UK territory (so it is not B Of Timbuktu ) and once again the regulators were asleep on the job. 
 
The FSA must be a contender for most useless organisation created by the Labour government. *WTF* have they been doing for the last ten years??? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&amp;sid=ayfAvQTQYzOA&amp;refer=uk" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&#038;a" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&#038;a</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>&quot;We are taking legal action against the Icelandic authorities,&#039;&#039; Prime Minister told journalists at a press conference at 10 Downing Street today. &quot;We are showing by our action that we stand by people who save.&#039;&#039; </p>
<p>Gordon really is (wrong-ed). The whole of Iceland is bankrupt and he is going to sue them. </p>
<p>Actually, I rather feel sorry for the Icelanders. Brown desperate to garner votes thinks this is the way to do it. </p>
<p>East Anglian Troy: &quot;the British taxpayers, are to bail out all the cretins that put more than &pound;50,000 into that dodgy foreign bank (Icesave) that was paying an excessive rate of interest. &quot; </p>
<p>Problem is EAT. the Great British government (AKA the FSA) permitted them to operate in UK territory (so it is not B Of Timbuktu ) and once again the regulators were asleep on the job. </p>
<p>The FSA must be a contender for most useless organisation created by the Labour government. *WTF* have they been doing for the last ten years??? </p>
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		<title>By: Tony Makara</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6822</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Makara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Cameron and George Osborne have allowed Gordon Brown to set the agenda and the prime minister has boxed them into a position in which they cannot now break ranks without looking foolish. This is because neither man had an alternative plan of action. Too much Conservative strategy has gone into developing social policy and nothing significant has been produced to deal with the severe economic problems that myself, David Belchamer and others were warning about well over a year ago. Cameron and Osborne are starting to look like starry-eyed pupils around Brown and instead of bludgeoning Brown over his failures they are allowing the prime minister to play roulette with taxpayers money in the banking system. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Cameron and George Osborne have allowed Gordon Brown to set the agenda and the prime minister has boxed them into a position in which they cannot now break ranks without looking foolish. This is because neither man had an alternative plan of action. Too much Conservative strategy has gone into developing social policy and nothing significant has been produced to deal with the severe economic problems that myself, David Belchamer and others were warning about well over a year ago. Cameron and Osborne are starting to look like starry-eyed pupils around Brown and instead of bludgeoning Brown over his failures they are allowing the prime minister to play roulette with taxpayers money in the banking system. </p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/08/wow-what-a-package/#comment-6821</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not what many people think. 
However, Ken Clarke, ex Chancellor, was on Newsnight last night and he was expecting inflation to come back again. 
The TU is bankrolling Labour too, and prices are rising fast. 
Also the government inflation figures seem to leave out all the rising prices. 
All inflation is, is surely, lack of confidence in the government&#039;s ability to be honest. 
Isn&#039;t it? 
So, why has it gone away? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not what many people think.<br />
However, Ken Clarke, ex Chancellor, was on Newsnight last night and he was expecting inflation to come back again.<br />
The TU is bankrolling Labour too, and prices are rising fast.<br />
Also the government inflation figures seem to leave out all the rising prices.<br />
All inflation is, is surely, lack of confidence in the government&#039;s ability to be honest.<br />
Isn&#039;t it?<br />
So, why has it gone away? </p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To that &#163;500 billion is also to be added the roughly &#163;1.5 trillion pounds which John reckons we are in debt. 
I wonder how that compares with our GDP? 
I also wonder when we will have to leave the gaming table because we have lost our shirt? 
The last time this happened was, of course, in the 1970s (when the empire finally croaked) - and again in the 1940s (after the war with Hitler). 
Whole countries can go bust - Argentina, Rhodesia. It is not impossible. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To that &pound;500 billion is also to be added the roughly &pound;1.5 trillion pounds which John reckons we are in debt.<br />
I wonder how that compares with our GDP?<br />
I also wonder when we will have to leave the gaming table because we have lost our shirt?<br />
The last time this happened was, of course, in the 1970s (when the empire finally croaked) &#8211; and again in the 1940s (after the war with Hitler).<br />
Whole countries can go bust &#8211; Argentina, Rhodesia. It is not impossible. </p>
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