Yes, that would be a first step.

Nick: "There is no difference between the EU and Westminister."

I accept that they are much the same beast. But I do occasionally have the opportunity to tell the people in Westminister what I think of them – even if it is only once every five years.

The EU, on the other hand pretends to be democratic, the parliament is trying to get more power, but the real authority, no I mean the real power, lies eslewhere.

Nick: "They both take a one size fits all, They both make mistakes, They both impose on others."

Yes, yes, yes. I would forgive them for making mistakes that is a human characteristic.

Nick: "The only solution is referenda.

Ok, But all you describe is; the largest mob gets what it wants, the largest mob makes mistakes, the largest mob imposes its will on others.

Nick: "People vote, ideally locally, on what they want with safeguards that the costs are equitably shared. Ideally hypothecated."

Despite what I said about mob rule above, I could live with that.

The decision to underwrite the banks at a certain price is one decision. That price was too high, and Brown has made a huge loss on the trade. One decision, 6 billion lost.

When it comes to the EU, like any form of government, it involves politicians making lots of decisions on how to affect people's lives. A lot will have the same quality as Brown's underwritting, and cause other people serious harm. They don't care too much about spending other people's money, and they have to take a one size fits all approach.

You say, "we should govern ourselves". By that you just mean more power to Westminister. There is no difference between the EU and Westminister.

They both take a one size fits all
They both make mistakes
They both impose on others.

The only solution is referenda. People vote, ideally locally, on what they want with safeguards that the costs are equitably shared. Ideally hypothecated.

Even the proposers of the Great Repeal bill have it wrong. They want referenda, but haven't even proposed that the voters get the vote on which parts of the Great Repeal bill get repealed (From my quick reading)

ie. Even they are acting like EU politicians.

Nick

I thought about that remark for a while, because it wasn't immediately clear to me what you meant.

So I think you mean, there are lots of ramifications to being in or out of the EU. Well perhaps you are right. I think you are wrong!

There is only one issue that is worth considering regarding our (the UK) relationship with the EU.

DO WE GOVERN OURSELVES?

From that decision, yes, flow lots of other decisions. But those decisions should be made by british people in Parliament on behalf of British people in the United Kingdom.

At the moment, we have the worst of all worlds. We have Brown prancing around pretending to govern. It will make no difference if Cameron takes his place, nor the cartwheels Cameron chooses to turn, we will still be governed by Brussels. And while that situation exists, everything that goes on at Westminster is a FARCE.

Now think about government. It is making decisions like this repeatedly, but with hidden costs.

The underwritting by Brown is a good example because we can clearly see how well he has done. We can mark to market accurately (something that Brown wants for others)

JR: "Yes of course we need to sort out our relaitonship with EU .."

Note the carefully phrased reply, Mr Redwood doesn't want to sour his relationship with Mr Cameron.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandra…

Who we now know is a raving EUrophile.

Reply: Mr Cameron is no raving Europhile – I voited for him because he made clear he wanted us to get powers back from Brussels, and will fight the new Euro elecitons on a ticket outside the EPP.

Don’t wish to be flippant, but £6billion is about 2/3 of what we pay to the European Union each and every year, that is a total washout too!

Never mind giving taxpayers money to a load of bankers who along with New Labor caused economic apoplexy – lets cut taxes for the mainstream majority on 20p income tax by raising the basic personal allowance as funded by closing down the Labor crony £100 billion QUANGO state . In Eire small government & lower taxes worked as it did in Reagan's America .

Falling interest rates , tough spending cuts and lower taxes coupled with real welfare reform and small business deregulation will get us out of recession as will more private money to get the infrastructure right to sustain a recovery and get the jobless figures down . RPI-x is an accurate inflation measure – having that as the MPC's target at 2% will stop future price spirals destroying peoples lives & economic stability .

Never mind banking mess ups – lets improve things for ordinary folks . This bank bail -out stinks ! Lower interest rates will defrost the credit market which means over taxed people do not need to pay bankers hundreds of billions as a result of the folly of this irresponsible government .