Comments on: Confirmation that there is no shred of democracy in the EU http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Thu, 24 May 2012 10:38:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: Alan Wheatley http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8976 Alan Wheatley Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:38:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8976 Come the run-up to the European elections, is Cameron going to tell us (again) which grouping the Conservative MEPs are going to join? Should we believe him this time? Reply: Yes he will. He has made clear we will have nothing to do with the Federalist EPP, and no Conservative will be able this time to stand on a platform of support for them or federalism. Come the run-up to the European elections, is Cameron going to tell us (again) which grouping the Conservative MEPs are going to join? Should we believe him this time?

Reply: Yes he will. He has made clear we will have nothing to do with the Federalist EPP, and no Conservative will be able this time to stand on a platform of support for them or federalism.

]]> By: Ken Adams http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8975 Ken Adams Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:13:55 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8975 It must be treason as all those involved have sworn allegiance to the Crown this was confirmed by no lesser person than Tony Blair who said “The dilemma of a British Prime Minister over Europe is acute to the point of the ridiculous. Basically you have a choice: co-operate in Europe and you betray Britain; be unreasonable in Europe, be praised back home, and be utterly without influence in Europe. It’s sort of: isolation or treason.” It is all about protecting the national sovereignty not undermining it, we are faced literally with a revolution against the people by the state. Does the monarch own the country outright and literally have the power to give it away, because that would be the only way this argument could stand. It must be treason as all those involved have sworn allegiance to the Crown this was confirmed by no lesser person than Tony Blair who said

“The dilemma of a British Prime Minister over Europe is acute to the point of the ridiculous. Basically you have a choice: co-operate in Europe and you betray Britain; be unreasonable in Europe, be praised back home, and be utterly without influence in Europe. It’s sort of: isolation or treason.”

It is all about protecting the national sovereignty not undermining it, we are faced literally with a revolution against the people by the state.

Does the monarch own the country outright and literally have the power to give it away, because that would be the only way this argument could stand.

]]> By: DennisA http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8974 DennisA Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:55:40 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8974 If there is common currency, common taxes, common laws, common government, you then have a state, the ultimate long term objective. Where then is the competition? If there is common currency, common taxes, common laws, common government, you then have a state, the ultimate long term objective. Where then is the competition?

]]> By: DennisA http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8973 DennisA Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:45:19 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8973 I think the Conservatives are quietly hoping the Lisbon Constitution will be ratified and then they don't have to bother. To say there will be a referundum only if Lisbon isn't ratified is a cop out. The colleagues will work very hard behind the scenes to make sure we don't get the chance. I think the Conservatives are quietly hoping the Lisbon Constitution will be ratified and then they don’t have to bother. To say there will be a referundum only if Lisbon isn’t ratified is a cop out. The colleagues will work very hard behind the scenes to make sure we don’t get the chance.

]]> By: Julian White http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8972 Julian White Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:51:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8972 I agree with the Irish Government. If the Government firmly believes that it is in the best interests of the nation to move forward with a constitution, then of course it should try again. It should reform its arguments, strengthen its case and put the matter back before the people. Electorally, the Conservatives will not win votes by being anti-European. Strong leaders, such as John Major (who unlike Thatcher didn't dither about the place all the time on the European issue), knew that Britain could play a strong part in the European Union. Instead of being scared of the European Union, it's time for us to let our businesses embrace the continent and start competing economically to be the best. John Redwood's argument, with respect, is false. It's like saying that if the Conservatives lost the General Election, they should respect the people and not try again. Politics isn't that simple and politicians should fight for what they believe in, and communicate that to the electorate, but listen to the electorate at the same time. Reply: Fine - let's have a 2nd referendum in France and Holland then I agree with the Irish Government. If the Government firmly believes that it is in the best interests of the nation to move forward with a constitution, then of course it should try again. It should reform its arguments, strengthen its case and put the matter back before the people.

Electorally, the Conservatives will not win votes by being anti-European. Strong leaders, such as John Major (who unlike Thatcher didn’t dither about the place all the time on the European issue), knew that Britain could play a strong part in the European Union. Instead of being scared of the European Union, it’s time for us to let our businesses embrace the continent and start competing economically to be the best.

John Redwood’s argument, with respect, is false. It’s like saying that if the Conservatives lost the General Election, they should respect the people and not try again. Politics isn’t that simple and politicians should fight for what they believe in, and communicate that to the electorate, but listen to the electorate at the same time.

Reply: Fine – let’s have a 2nd referendum in France and Holland then

]]> By: James Morrison http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8971 James Morrison Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:42:00 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8971 Hasn't the Queen already signed Lisbon? Hasn’t the Queen already signed Lisbon?

]]> By: James Morrison http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8970 James Morrison Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:40:13 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8970 Absolutely right! I can't see any of the political elite on any side if the house taking us out of the EU, regardless of the result of a referendum. I think too many of them have too much to gain personally. I might be wrong, but it's the only reason I can see why the wishes of the population are ignored time after time Absolutely right!

I can’t see any of the political elite on any side if the house taking us out of the EU, regardless of the result of a referendum. I think too many of them have too much to gain personally. I might be wrong, but it’s the only reason I can see why the wishes of the population are ignored time after time

]]> By: Lola http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8969 Lola Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:14:29 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8969 Warning! This is a rude one. What part of F**k Off don't they understand? (You really need to be Anglo Saxon English - or strangely Irish - to really understand this) Warning! This is a rude one.

What part of F**k Off don’t they understand?

(You really need to be Anglo Saxon English – or strangely Irish – to really understand this)

]]> By: Robert Eve http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8968 Robert Eve Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:27:31 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8968 We don't want goodies - we just want out!! We don’t want goodies – we just want out!!

]]> By: Curly http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/11/confirmation-that-there-is-no-shred-of-democracy-in-the-eu/#comment-8967 Curly Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:19:09 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=2357#comment-8967 You will vote, vote, and vote again until we get the result we need! You will vote, vote, and vote again until we get the result we need!

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