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		<title>By: FT.com &#124; Westminster Blog &#124; More questions over Britain&#8217;s ability to raise new debt</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9330</link>
		<dc:creator>FT.com &#124; Westminster Blog &#124; More questions over Britain&#8217;s ability to raise new debt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So far this hasn&#8217;t been much of a problem. In fact there has been a bubble in the gilt market - as investors flee towards safety - pushing yields to new lows, as John Redwood points out here. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So far this hasn&#8217;t been much of a problem. In fact there has been a bubble in the gilt market &#8211; as investors flee towards safety &#8211; pushing yields to new lows, as John Redwood points out here. [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Musgrave</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9329</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Musgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt Redwood’s 8 suggestions have their merits, but there is a much easier way to cut government borrowing: have government spend WITHOUT taxing or borrowing, i.e. have government print money, or “underfund”.  Tim Congdon and others advocated this in a letter in the FT recently: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc3b6a58-d6db-11dd-9bf7-000077b07658.html. Though smart people like me were advocating it much earlier (http://printingmoneyisgood.blogspot.com/). To be more accurate, government could finance the spending required to get out of the credit crunch with printed money – obviously governments cannot finance more than a small proportion of their total expenditure this way.

Money printing would not be inflationary until demand became excessive, but by that time the problem is solved (or at least unemployment would be moving back where it was a year ago). As to the idea that bond markets take a dim view of governments that print money, bond markets can distinguish between irresponsible and justifiable money printing. The US Fed has printed unprecedented amounts in the last few months, yet long term US treasuries are more popular than ever. Those purchasing them clearly do not expect excessive inflation in the US any time soon.

As for the idea that large amounts of money need to be printed, it should be remembered that government borrowing is deflationary, while government spending is reflationary. Indeed they may very nearly cancel each other out. Thus the total that needs to be printed is nowhere the amount that would otherwise need to be borrowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt Redwood’s 8 suggestions have their merits, but there is a much easier way to cut government borrowing: have government spend WITHOUT taxing or borrowing, i.e. have government print money, or “underfund”.  Tim Congdon and others advocated this in a letter in the FT recently: <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc3b6a58-d6db-11dd-9bf7-000077b07658.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc3b6a58-d6db-11dd-9bf7-000077b07658.html</a>. Though smart people like me were advocating it much earlier (<a href="http://printingmoneyisgood.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://printingmoneyisgood.blogspot.com/</a>). To be more accurate, government could finance the spending required to get out of the credit crunch with printed money – obviously governments cannot finance more than a small proportion of their total expenditure this way.</p>
<p>Money printing would not be inflationary until demand became excessive, but by that time the problem is solved (or at least unemployment would be moving back where it was a year ago). As to the idea that bond markets take a dim view of governments that print money, bond markets can distinguish between irresponsible and justifiable money printing. The US Fed has printed unprecedented amounts in the last few months, yet long term US treasuries are more popular than ever. Those purchasing them clearly do not expect excessive inflation in the US any time soon.</p>
<p>As for the idea that large amounts of money need to be printed, it should be remembered that government borrowing is deflationary, while government spending is reflationary. Indeed they may very nearly cancel each other out. Thus the total that needs to be printed is nowhere the amount that would otherwise need to be borrowed.</p>
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		<title>By: JJWS</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9328</link>
		<dc:creator>JJWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point - happy new year Mr R et al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point &#8211; happy new year Mr R et al</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9327</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy New Year John , keep up the excellent work and many thanks for your very consistent insights. I am forever hoping that the Shadow team &#039;bite the bullit&#039; and show some leadership and get &#039;ahead of the curve&#039; (here I know I differ from Brian Waldron who proposed the do nothing strategy), this wqas what I suggested to you at a City Circle event some 18 months ago. But as an optimist better late then never!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Year John , keep up the excellent work and many thanks for your very consistent insights. I am forever hoping that the Shadow team &#8216;bite the bullit&#8217; and show some leadership and get &#8216;ahead of the curve&#8217; (here I know I differ from Brian Waldron who proposed the do nothing strategy), this wqas what I suggested to you at a City Circle event some 18 months ago. But as an optimist better late then never!</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9326</link>
		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the wind bubble John.

This morning (new years eve), have a look at the outstanding contribution the nations wind turbines are making to our electricity supply.  At 09:15 they are supplying a glorious 4 MW out of 42, 797 MW of generation.

http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

Then look at the reason why on the Met Office pressure chart.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the wind bubble John.</p>
<p>This morning (new years eve), have a look at the outstanding contribution the nations wind turbines are making to our electricity supply.  At 09:15 they are supplying a glorious 4 MW out of 42, 797 MW of generation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm</a></p>
<p>Then look at the reason why on the Met Office pressure chart.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: FatBigot</title>
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		<dc:creator>FatBigot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as a free lunch and there is no such thing as a free party.  Someone has to pay, not always the person who thinks he will have to pay and not always on the day of the event.  But payment day always arrives eventually and, as a general rule, the longer it is delayed the more expensive it gets.

One thing I find both irritating and distressing about the current situation is that no one in government or, I am sad to say, on the Conservative front bench has the guts to stand up and say &quot;sorry chaps, this is going to be really painful&quot;.  We need to have someone tell the country that cheap credit will not return, that vast amounts of existing credit must be repaid and that current house price reductions are not a temporary blip but a reflection that a one-bedroomed basement flat in Islington was never really worth more than £175,000 even though someone paid £350,000 for it.

I hope 2009 will be the year other politicians are prepared to follow your lead, Mr Redwood, and be honest about just how bad the situation is.  I can only guess at the figure, but looking at the amount of credit card debt I would say that something like £1trillion currently in the UK economy is pretend money and must be removed before we can say we are living within our means.

My fear is that the government will just print more money in the hope that will hide the problem.  Hide it, it might; remove it, it won&#039;t.

And on that cheery note, thank you, Mr Redwood, for informing and stretching my grey matter in 2008.  Having been the only one of your contributors to wish you a happy birthday this year, I hope I am not the last to wish you a very happy New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as a free lunch and there is no such thing as a free party.  Someone has to pay, not always the person who thinks he will have to pay and not always on the day of the event.  But payment day always arrives eventually and, as a general rule, the longer it is delayed the more expensive it gets.</p>
<p>One thing I find both irritating and distressing about the current situation is that no one in government or, I am sad to say, on the Conservative front bench has the guts to stand up and say &#8220;sorry chaps, this is going to be really painful&#8221;.  We need to have someone tell the country that cheap credit will not return, that vast amounts of existing credit must be repaid and that current house price reductions are not a temporary blip but a reflection that a one-bedroomed basement flat in Islington was never really worth more than £175,000 even though someone paid £350,000 for it.</p>
<p>I hope 2009 will be the year other politicians are prepared to follow your lead, Mr Redwood, and be honest about just how bad the situation is.  I can only guess at the figure, but looking at the amount of credit card debt I would say that something like £1trillion currently in the UK economy is pretend money and must be removed before we can say we are living within our means.</p>
<p>My fear is that the government will just print more money in the hope that will hide the problem.  Hide it, it might; remove it, it won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And on that cheery note, thank you, Mr Redwood, for informing and stretching my grey matter in 2008.  Having been the only one of your contributors to wish you a happy birthday this year, I hope I am not the last to wish you a very happy New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9324</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you aware that the EU has reintroduced the Death Penalty.
http://euro-med.dk/?p=948

http://euro-med.dk/?p=776</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you aware that the EU has reintroduced the Death Penalty.<br />
<a href="http://euro-med.dk/?p=948" rel="nofollow">http://euro-med.dk/?p=948</a></p>
<p><a href="http://euro-med.dk/?p=776" rel="nofollow">http://euro-med.dk/?p=776</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9323</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trouble is Mr R, is that we have got another, what, 18 months of the current Junta before we have a slim chance of electing into power a vaguely financially competent government to sort out this mess. Two points, one, can we really afford to wait that long?  And two, are your lot up to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trouble is Mr R, is that we have got another, what, 18 months of the current Junta before we have a slim chance of electing into power a vaguely financially competent government to sort out this mess. Two points, one, can we really afford to wait that long?  And two, are your lot up to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9322</link>
		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony Montana should, if extreme in his conservative views be considered right? Absolutely disgusting hedge funds can eat it? Or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Montana should, if extreme in his conservative views be considered right? Absolutely disgusting hedge funds can eat it? Or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Thornhill</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/30/the-government-borrowing-bubble/#comment-9321</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Thornhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Government forces banks to hold Govt debt, is this not a form of extortion, rent seeking or even racketeering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Government forces banks to hold Govt debt, is this not a form of extortion, rent seeking or even racketeering?</p>
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