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		<title>By: Magelec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magelec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Government have got to start somewhere to sort the pensions timebomb.  I suggest the Civil Service, for one, to lead the way.  Yes, I believe it would be necessary to make some exceptions e.g. the fire service as you mentioned, police, military and the like.  Those working in &#039;soft jobs&#039; should have their pensions accrueing in defined contribution schemes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Government have got to start somewhere to sort the pensions timebomb.  I suggest the Civil Service, for one, to lead the way.  Yes, I believe it would be necessary to make some exceptions e.g. the fire service as you mentioned, police, military and the like.  Those working in &#8216;soft jobs&#8217; should have their pensions accrueing in defined contribution schemes.</p>
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		<title>By: Magelec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magelec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I agree.  There is so much that can be chopped with much general public approval.  My suggestions were just for starters.  The big problem for GB and his crew is that they cannot/will not face the facts that they have made huge mistakes in the past and will continue to do so as they are in denial.  Also they don&#039;t wish to anialiate their perceived core vote, although with the &#039;British job for British Workers&#039; scenario emerging I believe they (GB and Co) are in for a rough time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I agree.  There is so much that can be chopped with much general public approval.  My suggestions were just for starters.  The big problem for GB and his crew is that they cannot/will not face the facts that they have made huge mistakes in the past and will continue to do so as they are in denial.  Also they don&#8217;t wish to anialiate their perceived core vote, although with the &#8216;British job for British Workers&#8217; scenario emerging I believe they (GB and Co) are in for a rough time.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree - the real cost of money is higher - you can&#039;t spend your way out if you are indebted as we are both as a nationa and per capita, we have to cut government expenditure and encourage savings via higher interest ratesand then we can move forward. There is no easy solution, no quick fix and the temptation to infalte our way out would be a complete disaster debased the real value of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree &#8211; the real cost of money is higher &#8211; you can&#8217;t spend your way out if you are indebted as we are both as a nationa and per capita, we have to cut government expenditure and encourage savings via higher interest ratesand then we can move forward. There is no easy solution, no quick fix and the temptation to infalte our way out would be a complete disaster debased the real value of money.</p>
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		<title>By: David Birch</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point of note, I thought, was that the panel seemed broadly to approve to the Obama approach.  I think that the phrase they used, which I hadn&#039;t heard before, was &quot;shovel ready&quot;.  In other words, if you are going to pump money in to get the economy going, the spending has to be directed into areas where people can pick up shovels and get to work right away.  One can&#039;t help but suspect that too much of any UK spending would be frittered away on management consultants, quangos and public sector expansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point of note, I thought, was that the panel seemed broadly to approve to the Obama approach.  I think that the phrase they used, which I hadn&#8217;t heard before, was &#8220;shovel ready&#8221;.  In other words, if you are going to pump money in to get the economy going, the spending has to be directed into areas where people can pick up shovels and get to work right away.  One can&#8217;t help but suspect that too much of any UK spending would be frittered away on management consultants, quangos and public sector expansion.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor pedantic correction.

There is only 1 Chatham House rule.  Meetings can be held under the Chatham House Rule, not Rules.

See: http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/about/chathamhouserule/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor pedantic correction.</p>
<p>There is only 1 Chatham House rule.  Meetings can be held under the Chatham House Rule, not Rules.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/about/chathamhouserule/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/about/chathamhouserule/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wonder if a Conservative Govt will use its political capital to move the public sector pension scheme to a defined contribution basis. Can you imagine the police (retire at 50...) accepting it nevermind the rest! You will have endless strikes.

I believe it should happen but doubt it will.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wonder if a Conservative Govt will use its political capital to move the public sector pension scheme to a defined contribution basis. Can you imagine the police (retire at 50&#8230;) accepting it nevermind the rest! You will have endless strikes.</p>
<p>I believe it should happen but doubt it will&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: TomTom</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before 3i became greedy and mainstram private equity it was Finance For Industry set up in 1945 by the major clearing banks to supply loans and other finance to SMEs.  probably modelled on the German Kreditanstalt fuer Wiederaufbau (KfW)

It is time this was recreated as Finance for Industry providing sums for working capital funding and loans to SMEs. This time maybe some of the major corporations could be the shareholders together with certain bankers and create a Small BUsiness Bank with local knowledge and offices.

I had hoped privatisation of Regional Electricity Companies would have created regional cash-rich investors to regenerate Yorkshire say through Yorkshire Electricity Plc but instead The City sucked them dry for transactions fees in M&amp;A deals.

We need to revive 3i as it once was to invest long term and build new businesses and save others. The banks are hobbled...if not by their own stupidity then by forced recapitalisation which has been like a Treasury LBO of the banking system.

Lloyds Bank which could have been a strong bank is now hobbled by being lashed to a crippled institution HBOS and shareholders have lost £16 billion in capitalisation by taking on HBOS. It is bizarre that the Government has acted (removed unflattering cf)imposing new rules then forcing them to sell to government with artificially high costs to transfer real value to the State. Cutting saver interest whilst letting credit interest rates soar and charging 12% post-tax on Pref Shares is expropriation and seemingly a plan to destroy any value creation process</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before 3i became greedy and mainstram private equity it was Finance For Industry set up in 1945 by the major clearing banks to supply loans and other finance to SMEs.  probably modelled on the German Kreditanstalt fuer Wiederaufbau (KfW)</p>
<p>It is time this was recreated as Finance for Industry providing sums for working capital funding and loans to SMEs. This time maybe some of the major corporations could be the shareholders together with certain bankers and create a Small BUsiness Bank with local knowledge and offices.</p>
<p>I had hoped privatisation of Regional Electricity Companies would have created regional cash-rich investors to regenerate Yorkshire say through Yorkshire Electricity Plc but instead The City sucked them dry for transactions fees in M&amp;A deals.</p>
<p>We need to revive 3i as it once was to invest long term and build new businesses and save others. The banks are hobbled&#8230;if not by their own stupidity then by forced recapitalisation which has been like a Treasury LBO of the banking system.</p>
<p>Lloyds Bank which could have been a strong bank is now hobbled by being lashed to a crippled institution HBOS and shareholders have lost £16 billion in capitalisation by taking on HBOS. It is bizarre that the Government has acted (removed unflattering cf)imposing new rules then forcing them to sell to government with artificially high costs to transfer real value to the State. Cutting saver interest whilst letting credit interest rates soar and charging 12% post-tax on Pref Shares is expropriation and seemingly a plan to destroy any value creation process</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time To Abolish VAT?

Surely, now is the right time to abolish VAT.

Apart from being a grossly unfair tax -  a tax through which even the poorest of pensioners have to pay the same tax for goods and services as the richest of billionaires – VAT also acts as a major impediment to the growth and success of businesses and it acts as a major disincentive to consumer spending.

It is accepted by nearly all economists that countries such as the UK need to stimulate economic activity if they are ever going to crawl out of the current economic crisis, but the imposition of VAT acts as a major obstacle to nearly all economic activity.

As a result of VAT, goods and services cost people significantly more than they would otherwise do (which means that they buy fewer of them) and it acts as an extra tax on most businesses.

Indeed, for most small businesses and for most of the self-employed, VAT is nothing more than a large extra tax that is imposed on their gross income. It is a very unfair tax that penalises small businesses particularly harshly.

The collection of VAT also costs an enormous amount of taxpayers&#039; money. There are more than 22,000 civil servants employed in VAT collection (which costs over 1 billion pounds per year) and businesses have to expend many billions of pounds every year and millions of hours in order to deal with all the red tape that is involved in VAT collection.

Abolishing VAT would transform our economy. People could both buy more and save more – and both buying more and saving more is exactly what economists say would get us out of the current economic crisis. Businesses, both big and small, would be able to make greater profits and they would also have to waste far less time and money dealing with complicated government regulations.

Abolishing VAT would reduce the income of the government by about 100 billion pounds, but much of this money would be recuperated by the massive increase in economic activity that would result.

For example, the predicted increase in unemployment that is going to arise out of the current economic crisis is going to cost more than 40 billion pounds in benefits alone.

Abolishing VAT would act as such a large stimulus to the economy that the unemployment figures would fall very dramatically indeed.

Furthermore, government spending has been far too high for the past decade and it needs to be reined in.

Gordon Brown, however, seems determined to continue to force current and future taxpayers to bear the costs associated with keeping government spending high.

But how can it be fair to expect our young men and women to foot the bill over the next decade or so for the government failures of today? Surely, he is just giving away their future prospects.

Indeed, when Gordon Brown convinces the public that, “Government services must be maintained in these most difficult of times,” he is merely articulating the view that everyone who does not work for the government must bear all the costs of the current crisis while those who do work for the government must not.

Thus, Gordon Brown is quite happy to see the income of all pensioners who have not worked for the state plummet like a stone, while those who have worked for the state continue to have their pensions safeguarded by the very people who are having to pay most of the costs incurred by the current crisis. Indeed, those retirees who do not have government pensions have seen their savings and their pensions slashed both through the falling stockmarket and through the large reduction in interest rates that have recently taken place. And with the added prospect of Gordon Brown increasing the money supply in order to stimulate economic activity, it seems likely that an increase inflation is almost guaranteed to take place. And this, once again, will hit those pensioners who have not worked for the government, while those who are living off government pensions will remain unaffected because their pensions are inflation-proofed.

Furthermore, with the value of the pound having decreased hugely in comparison to other currencies, even holidays abroad are now considerably more expensive.

To get out of the current crisis, Gordon Brown is essentially pulverising those who work in the private sector in order to maintain jobs and pensions within the public sector. He is creating a privileged and protected aristocracy who work for the government while gradually enslaving and impoverishing those who do not. The upshot is that Gordon Brown, himself, is helping to strangle the UK&#039;s economy, and the only solutions that he seems to be offering are those through which government gains more and more control over who gets what.

But abolishing VAT would liberate the entire economy. It would help the poor. It would help businesses both big and small. And it would get rid of a mountain of wasteful red tape and all the costs associated with it.

But Gordon Brown will not abolish VAT for one reason and for one reason alone. It would reduce the power of government.

Finally, if the Tories would argue for the abolition of VAT my guess is that they would receive a huge amount of public support and they would SERIOUSLY DAMAGE THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time To Abolish VAT?</p>
<p>Surely, now is the right time to abolish VAT.</p>
<p>Apart from being a grossly unfair tax &#8211;  a tax through which even the poorest of pensioners have to pay the same tax for goods and services as the richest of billionaires – VAT also acts as a major impediment to the growth and success of businesses and it acts as a major disincentive to consumer spending.</p>
<p>It is accepted by nearly all economists that countries such as the UK need to stimulate economic activity if they are ever going to crawl out of the current economic crisis, but the imposition of VAT acts as a major obstacle to nearly all economic activity.</p>
<p>As a result of VAT, goods and services cost people significantly more than they would otherwise do (which means that they buy fewer of them) and it acts as an extra tax on most businesses.</p>
<p>Indeed, for most small businesses and for most of the self-employed, VAT is nothing more than a large extra tax that is imposed on their gross income. It is a very unfair tax that penalises small businesses particularly harshly.</p>
<p>The collection of VAT also costs an enormous amount of taxpayers&#8217; money. There are more than 22,000 civil servants employed in VAT collection (which costs over 1 billion pounds per year) and businesses have to expend many billions of pounds every year and millions of hours in order to deal with all the red tape that is involved in VAT collection.</p>
<p>Abolishing VAT would transform our economy. People could both buy more and save more – and both buying more and saving more is exactly what economists say would get us out of the current economic crisis. Businesses, both big and small, would be able to make greater profits and they would also have to waste far less time and money dealing with complicated government regulations.</p>
<p>Abolishing VAT would reduce the income of the government by about 100 billion pounds, but much of this money would be recuperated by the massive increase in economic activity that would result.</p>
<p>For example, the predicted increase in unemployment that is going to arise out of the current economic crisis is going to cost more than 40 billion pounds in benefits alone.</p>
<p>Abolishing VAT would act as such a large stimulus to the economy that the unemployment figures would fall very dramatically indeed.</p>
<p>Furthermore, government spending has been far too high for the past decade and it needs to be reined in.</p>
<p>Gordon Brown, however, seems determined to continue to force current and future taxpayers to bear the costs associated with keeping government spending high.</p>
<p>But how can it be fair to expect our young men and women to foot the bill over the next decade or so for the government failures of today? Surely, he is just giving away their future prospects.</p>
<p>Indeed, when Gordon Brown convinces the public that, “Government services must be maintained in these most difficult of times,” he is merely articulating the view that everyone who does not work for the government must bear all the costs of the current crisis while those who do work for the government must not.</p>
<p>Thus, Gordon Brown is quite happy to see the income of all pensioners who have not worked for the state plummet like a stone, while those who have worked for the state continue to have their pensions safeguarded by the very people who are having to pay most of the costs incurred by the current crisis. Indeed, those retirees who do not have government pensions have seen their savings and their pensions slashed both through the falling stockmarket and through the large reduction in interest rates that have recently taken place. And with the added prospect of Gordon Brown increasing the money supply in order to stimulate economic activity, it seems likely that an increase inflation is almost guaranteed to take place. And this, once again, will hit those pensioners who have not worked for the government, while those who are living off government pensions will remain unaffected because their pensions are inflation-proofed.</p>
<p>Furthermore, with the value of the pound having decreased hugely in comparison to other currencies, even holidays abroad are now considerably more expensive.</p>
<p>To get out of the current crisis, Gordon Brown is essentially pulverising those who work in the private sector in order to maintain jobs and pensions within the public sector. He is creating a privileged and protected aristocracy who work for the government while gradually enslaving and impoverishing those who do not. The upshot is that Gordon Brown, himself, is helping to strangle the UK&#8217;s economy, and the only solutions that he seems to be offering are those through which government gains more and more control over who gets what.</p>
<p>But abolishing VAT would liberate the entire economy. It would help the poor. It would help businesses both big and small. And it would get rid of a mountain of wasteful red tape and all the costs associated with it.</p>
<p>But Gordon Brown will not abolish VAT for one reason and for one reason alone. It would reduce the power of government.</p>
<p>Finally, if the Tories would argue for the abolition of VAT my guess is that they would receive a huge amount of public support and they would SERIOUSLY DAMAGE THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenL</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevenL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Put Bank Rate back to 3% so that savers do not lose so much.&quot;

The fixed rate market is bizarre at the moment.  My bank were paying me around 2% so I withdrew it and lent it to a blue chip FTSE 100 company by buying bonds that pay 6.8%.

My savings are out of the retail deposit guarantee scheme, so there is more risk, but if I lend the money to the bank through retail deposits, whats the bet they won&#039;t lend it to companies anyway and take the profit?

Not that I&#039;m telling anyone what to do with their savings, I&#039;m not qualified to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Put Bank Rate back to 3% so that savers do not lose so much.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fixed rate market is bizarre at the moment.  My bank were paying me around 2% so I withdrew it and lent it to a blue chip FTSE 100 company by buying bonds that pay 6.8%.</p>
<p>My savings are out of the retail deposit guarantee scheme, so there is more risk, but if I lend the money to the bank through retail deposits, whats the bet they won&#8217;t lend it to companies anyway and take the profit?</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m telling anyone what to do with their savings, I&#8217;m not qualified to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Collyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Collyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In summary:

View 1: We don&#039;t know what to do so it&#039;s best to do nothing.

View 2: Let&#039;s inflate our way out of the problem. (It&#039;s worked before! What could possibly go wrong?!)

View 3: We don&#039;t know what to do but we have to do something.

View 4: There&#039;s nothing we can do and it&#039;s all the banks&#039; fault.

Here&#039;s my view: there&#039;s a shortage of credit so the government should cut its borrowing and increase interest rates. And it WILL happen eventually. You can&#039;t buck the market - at least not for ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In summary:</p>
<p>View 1: We don&#8217;t know what to do so it&#8217;s best to do nothing.</p>
<p>View 2: Let&#8217;s inflate our way out of the problem. (It&#8217;s worked before! What could possibly go wrong?!)</p>
<p>View 3: We don&#8217;t know what to do but we have to do something.</p>
<p>View 4: There&#8217;s nothing we can do and it&#8217;s all the banks&#8217; fault.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my view: there&#8217;s a shortage of credit so the government should cut its borrowing and increase interest rates. And it WILL happen eventually. You can&#8217;t buck the market &#8211; at least not for ever.</p>
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