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	<title>Comments on: In praise of Stella Rimmington</title>
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		<title>By: Trevor Wright</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/in-praise-of-stella-rimmington/#comment-11445</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with almost everything said.

But what is the Conservative party going to DO, assuming it is elected when Brown finally condescends to allow the British public a say in who is PM.

Will you scrap ID cards?

Will you make it illegal for Local Authorities to carry out covert surveillance on people?

Will you prevent convicted criminals from the far flung corners of the EU entering the UK to take the opportunity to commit crimes here? - perhaps using the same process as used against a certain Dutchman recently?

Will you reduce the number of CCTV cameras in use?

Will you repeal the law which allows a policeman to arrest you for taking a photograph?

Will you make it illegal for police to retain DNA and fingerprints of people who are not convicted of any offence without their expressed agreement?

Will you make it illegal for local authorities to use anti-terrorism legislation against their constituents for ANY purpose other than anti-terrorism ?

I feel from experience and instinct that the Conservative ethos is against all these abuses (and the many others) but I do not see this clear and unequivical opposition coming from the front bench.

Please, if you do oppose these things, make it crystal clear. I want to see David Cameron shredding the government front bench using these clear infringements of our liberty as the weapon.

If it is your policy to allow all these abuses to continue when (if) you are elected then please be clear and open about it.

Reply: I agree with your wishes. The Opposition has said iot will abolish ID cards and strengthen our borders. I also want it to cut surveillance by all levels of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with almost everything said.</p>
<p>But what is the Conservative party going to DO, assuming it is elected when Brown finally condescends to allow the British public a say in who is PM.</p>
<p>Will you scrap ID cards?</p>
<p>Will you make it illegal for Local Authorities to carry out covert surveillance on people?</p>
<p>Will you prevent convicted criminals from the far flung corners of the EU entering the UK to take the opportunity to commit crimes here? &#8211; perhaps using the same process as used against a certain Dutchman recently?</p>
<p>Will you reduce the number of CCTV cameras in use?</p>
<p>Will you repeal the law which allows a policeman to arrest you for taking a photograph?</p>
<p>Will you make it illegal for police to retain DNA and fingerprints of people who are not convicted of any offence without their expressed agreement?</p>
<p>Will you make it illegal for local authorities to use anti-terrorism legislation against their constituents for ANY purpose other than anti-terrorism ?</p>
<p>I feel from experience and instinct that the Conservative ethos is against all these abuses (and the many others) but I do not see this clear and unequivical opposition coming from the front bench.</p>
<p>Please, if you do oppose these things, make it crystal clear. I want to see David Cameron shredding the government front bench using these clear infringements of our liberty as the weapon.</p>
<p>If it is your policy to allow all these abuses to continue when (if) you are elected then please be clear and open about it.</p>
<p>Reply: I agree with your wishes. The Opposition has said iot will abolish ID cards and strengthen our borders. I also want it to cut surveillance by all levels of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Puncheon</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/in-praise-of-stella-rimmington/#comment-11444</link>
		<dc:creator>Puncheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governments in a free democracy only have three real tasks: protect the borders from invasion; protect the currency and economy, and provide a system of law and order that is fair, fast and cheap.  This Government, (and others before it) has done the exact opposite: they have thrown the borders open to everyone and anyone; destroyed the currency and economy and turned the law against its own law abiding citizens.  All this is undeniable, my question is why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governments in a free democracy only have three real tasks: protect the borders from invasion; protect the currency and economy, and provide a system of law and order that is fair, fast and cheap.  This Government, (and others before it) has done the exact opposite: they have thrown the borders open to everyone and anyone; destroyed the currency and economy and turned the law against its own law abiding citizens.  All this is undeniable, my question is why?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Paterson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/in-praise-of-stella-rimmington/#comment-11443</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Stella, the penny has dropped a good five after the rest of us, and now that you&#039;re safely in no position to do anything about it. It is the Conservative Party&#039;s job to robustly oppose this constant drip feed seizure of our liberties, yet with a few exceptions (and I don&#039;t mean David Davis&#039; *highly* selective grandstanding) they are weaker than a new born kitten. Despair!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Stella, the penny has dropped a good five after the rest of us, and now that you&#8217;re safely in no position to do anything about it. It is the Conservative Party&#8217;s job to robustly oppose this constant drip feed seizure of our liberties, yet with a few exceptions (and I don&#8217;t mean David Davis&#8217; *highly* selective grandstanding) they are weaker than a new born kitten. Despair!</p>
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		<title>By: number 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>number 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

Agreed. We do need to leave the EU as soon as possible as the longer we stay in the more these problems will develop. Only problem is, none of the three major parties are commited to even discussing this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>Agreed. We do need to leave the EU as soon as possible as the longer we stay in the more these problems will develop. Only problem is, none of the three major parties are commited to even discussing this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/in-praise-of-stella-rimmington/#comment-11441</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason being is because we are headed for a Brutal police state, and cameras might be alittle too embarrasing.
Britain about to be abolished and Parliament closed down.

http://www.eutruth.org.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason being is because we are headed for a Brutal police state, and cameras might be alittle too embarrasing.<br />
Britain about to be abolished and Parliament closed down.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eutruth.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.eutruth.org.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fully aware of the above comments. Which is why I made the point its probably too late due to your very comments.

Another fine mess the EU has got us all in, I could go on about other Policies of the EU but there seems little point unless there is an open discussion about our continued Membership and its benefits or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fully aware of the above comments. Which is why I made the point its probably too late due to your very comments.</p>
<p>Another fine mess the EU has got us all in, I could go on about other Policies of the EU but there seems little point unless there is an open discussion about our continued Membership and its benefits or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Hamblin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Hamblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dame Stella Rimington is spot on.

The problem today is the rush to create new laws and orders to address a problem when there is adequate law already in place.     No one bothers to enforce them.

Then there is always the Ways and Means Act, used by the inventive Police mind to fit criminal circumstances for which there may be no actual law!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dame Stella Rimington is spot on.</p>
<p>The problem today is the rush to create new laws and orders to address a problem when there is adequate law already in place.     No one bothers to enforce them.</p>
<p>Then there is always the Ways and Means Act, used by the inventive Police mind to fit criminal circumstances for which there may be no actual law!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/in-praise-of-stella-rimmington/#comment-11438</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone like Dame Stella is talking openly about a police state she should be taken seriously. I suspect that we will hear not one word from any of the opposition parties to challenge New Labour. As others have said there are comments all over the internet condemning the steady erosion of civil liberties and expressing fear and worry at how the police and authorities are behaving. Everyone I meet is angry and worried by it. Why are all these people denied a voice? The answer is as frightening as the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone like Dame Stella is talking openly about a police state she should be taken seriously. I suspect that we will hear not one word from any of the opposition parties to challenge New Labour. As others have said there are comments all over the internet condemning the steady erosion of civil liberties and expressing fear and worry at how the police and authorities are behaving. Everyone I meet is angry and worried by it. Why are all these people denied a voice? The answer is as frightening as the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Fairney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Fairney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have the actual source of this as I would like to look at the primary legislation to see what it specifically says.

I&#039;m not entirely sure how a middle-aged Welsh aetheist could be a terror threat...... so I&#039;d best check.

(If this is correct), it&#039;s worrying because it&#039;s not what you do, it&#039;s the intent you are deemed to have by the people enforcing the law ~ who could vote for such a law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have the actual source of this as I would like to look at the primary legislation to see what it specifically says.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure how a middle-aged Welsh aetheist could be a terror threat&#8230;&#8230; so I&#8217;d best check.</p>
<p>(If this is correct), it&#8217;s worrying because it&#8217;s not what you do, it&#8217;s the intent you are deemed to have by the people enforcing the law ~ who could vote for such a law?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosie Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been looking into how fear gets used to persuade us to do all sorts of things: http://rsaconnectedcommunities.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/ms-rimingtons-right-fear-itself-is-a-fearful-thing/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking into how fear gets used to persuade us to do all sorts of things: <a href="http://rsaconnectedcommunities.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/ms-rimingtons-right-fear-itself-is-a-fearful-thing/" rel="nofollow">http://rsaconnectedcommunities.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/ms-rimingtons-right-fear-itself-is-a-fearful-thing/</a></p>
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