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	<title>Comments on: No time, no time, in part time Parliament</title>
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		<title>By: Denis Cooper</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/04/20/no-time-no-time-in-part-time-parliament/#comment-14574</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it shouldn&#039;t be the government&#039;s power, should it?

And it wouldn&#039;t be, if MPs were determined that they would serve as the elected representatives of their constituents in our sovereign Parliament, rather than behave as slaves to their parties - which necessarily means whenever any one party has a majority, that majority will behave as slaves to the Prime Minister, giving him the power to control the House of Commons in all matters, rather than the other way round as it should be.

However, when an overwhelming majority of MPs obey the instructions from their parties that they should vote against an amendment to affirm and protect the legal supremacy of their own Parliament, and another considerable section abstain from voting because that&#039;s what their party asked them to do, and less than ten per cent of the MPs are willing to defy their parties and vote for it, then obviously there&#039;s something very wrong with the kind of people we&#039;ve been putting in the Commons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it shouldn&#8217;t be the government&#8217;s power, should it?</p>
<p>And it wouldn&#8217;t be, if MPs were determined that they would serve as the elected representatives of their constituents in our sovereign Parliament, rather than behave as slaves to their parties &#8211; which necessarily means whenever any one party has a majority, that majority will behave as slaves to the Prime Minister, giving him the power to control the House of Commons in all matters, rather than the other way round as it should be.</p>
<p>However, when an overwhelming majority of MPs obey the instructions from their parties that they should vote against an amendment to affirm and protect the legal supremacy of their own Parliament, and another considerable section abstain from voting because that&#8217;s what their party asked them to do, and less than ten per cent of the MPs are willing to defy their parties and vote for it, then obviously there&#8217;s something very wrong with the kind of people we&#8217;ve been putting in the Commons.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/04/20/no-time-no-time-in-part-time-parliament/#comment-14573</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to note that this is cross-party - I think there was an increase in Guillotines in the 1979-1997 period, though I agree it has gone to extremes since the hours etc were reorganise in ~1998.

I am not holding my breath waiting for any Government to reduce their own power, but I&#039;m hoping for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to note that this is cross-party &#8211; I think there was an increase in Guillotines in the 1979-1997 period, though I agree it has gone to extremes since the hours etc were reorganise in ~1998.</p>
<p>I am not holding my breath waiting for any Government to reduce their own power, but I&#8217;m hoping for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, bizarrely, there are reports (alluded to above) that MPs now have too little to do!  Perhaps they could spend their well-remunerated time unpicking some of the legislative mess they helped to create?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, bizarrely, there are reports (alluded to above) that MPs now have too little to do!  Perhaps they could spend their well-remunerated time unpicking some of the legislative mess they helped to create?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Redwood,
      Thank you for the reply I will look with interest at your proposals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Redwood,<br />
      Thank you for the reply I will look with interest at your proposals.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In any case, even if thirty-odd Labour MPs rebelled and voted with the Tories, or alternatively sixty-odd abstained, that wouldn&#039;t mean that the motion would be carried.

Remember the self-styled &quot;Liberal Democrats&quot;, seventy-odd of them, led by the euromaniac Clegg.

As most of them willingly broke their manifesto promise to their constituents over the Lisbon Treaty, it&#039;s absurd to suppose that they&#039;d allow the Labour government to fall, probably letting in the Tories and thereby opening the door to a UK referendum, before the Irish have voted again in October.

After which either the treaty will be dead, or Cameron&#039;s referendum pledge will automatically expire because the treaty has come into force.

I&#039;m afraid that we&#039;re stuck with this government until spring 2010, and depending on how the Irish vote we may also be stuck with the Lisbon Treaty.

Unless Cameron pledged that if necessary he would hold a retrospective referendum, in which case our general election would immediately be decoupled from the second referendum in Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case, even if thirty-odd Labour MPs rebelled and voted with the Tories, or alternatively sixty-odd abstained, that wouldn&#8217;t mean that the motion would be carried.</p>
<p>Remember the self-styled &#8220;Liberal Democrats&#8221;, seventy-odd of them, led by the euromaniac Clegg.</p>
<p>As most of them willingly broke their manifesto promise to their constituents over the Lisbon Treaty, it&#8217;s absurd to suppose that they&#8217;d allow the Labour government to fall, probably letting in the Tories and thereby opening the door to a UK referendum, before the Irish have voted again in October.</p>
<p>After which either the treaty will be dead, or Cameron&#8217;s referendum pledge will automatically expire because the treaty has come into force.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that we&#8217;re stuck with this government until spring 2010, and depending on how the Irish vote we may also be stuck with the Lisbon Treaty.</p>
<p>Unless Cameron pledged that if necessary he would hold a retrospective referendum, in which case our general election would immediately be decoupled from the second referendum in Ireland.</p>
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		<title>By: Major Plonquer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major Plonquer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand. Surely NOW would be an opportune time to call for a Vote of Condence in the House. George Osborne surely has a big enough beef with the way government is operated to forward a motion.

How many Labour MPs would actually line up in public to go through the lobby to back Gordon Brown. If they did then they would be seen to be cowards and if they didn&#039;t they would be heores. OK they would be unemployed and unemployable heroes.

But even if the Vote was lost the Conservatives would be winners because Labour MPs would be seen to be a bunch of (sorry to use a Star Trek metaphore) Klingons!

Reply: Labour would vote solidly for the government if we tabled a Motion of No Confidence. It would temporarily unite them against their common enemy. If we thought there was the slightest chance of winning such a vote to bring on an election we would table one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand. Surely NOW would be an opportune time to call for a Vote of Condence in the House. George Osborne surely has a big enough beef with the way government is operated to forward a motion.</p>
<p>How many Labour MPs would actually line up in public to go through the lobby to back Gordon Brown. If they did then they would be seen to be cowards and if they didn&#8217;t they would be heores. OK they would be unemployed and unemployable heroes.</p>
<p>But even if the Vote was lost the Conservatives would be winners because Labour MPs would be seen to be a bunch of (sorry to use a Star Trek metaphore) Klingons!</p>
<p>Reply: Labour would vote solidly for the government if we tabled a Motion of No Confidence. It would temporarily unite them against their common enemy. If we thought there was the slightest chance of winning such a vote to bring on an election we would table one.</p>
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		<title>By: Democracy, pull your socks up&#8230; &#171; Bobballs!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Democracy, pull your socks up&#8230; &#171; Bobballs!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that things are not quite so productive right now. Coincidentally John Redwood comes up with some interesting comparative statistics on Westminster administrations. Erm, things are not quite so democratic [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that things are not quite so productive right now. Coincidentally John Redwood comes up with some interesting comparative statistics on Westminster administrations. Erm, things are not quite so democratic [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Denis Cooper</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/04/20/no-time-no-time-in-part-time-parliament/#comment-14567</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that MPs approve these motions shows, once again, that we have been voting too many of the wrong kind of people into the Commons.

And I don&#039;t just mean that we&#039;ve voted in a majority of Labour MPs, because during the period 1947 - 97 there were Labour majorities for nearly a third of the time, and clearly they didn&#039;t allow the previous Labour governments to treat Parliament with such utter contempt.

One factor may have been a large intake of poor quality new members in 1997, so now I wonder what will ensue if the Tories win the next general election on the same scale as Labour won the 1997 election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that MPs approve these motions shows, once again, that we have been voting too many of the wrong kind of people into the Commons.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t just mean that we&#8217;ve voted in a majority of Labour MPs, because during the period 1947 &#8211; 97 there were Labour majorities for nearly a third of the time, and clearly they didn&#8217;t allow the previous Labour governments to treat Parliament with such utter contempt.</p>
<p>One factor may have been a large intake of poor quality new members in 1997, so now I wonder what will ensue if the Tories win the next general election on the same scale as Labour won the 1997 election.</p>
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		<title>By: Duyfken</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/04/20/no-time-no-time-in-part-time-parliament/#comment-14566</link>
		<dc:creator>Duyfken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Daniel Hannan, 85% of our laws now come from Brussels.  With just 15% to be made in Westminster, surely we now have a surfeit of MPs, with time on their hands, particularly whilst debate is curtailed as you have indicated.  No wonder the holidays must be extended - to cover the embarrassment of an increasingly irrelevant Chamber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Daniel Hannan, 85% of our laws now come from Brussels.  With just 15% to be made in Westminster, surely we now have a surfeit of MPs, with time on their hands, particularly whilst debate is curtailed as you have indicated.  No wonder the holidays must be extended &#8211; to cover the embarrassment of an increasingly irrelevant Chamber.</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy: &quot;Any chance of getting a committment from David Cameron ..&quot;

Do you want a promise from the man who only made two promises and has failed to keep either?

Exactly how much do you think a Cameron promise is worth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy: &#8220;Any chance of getting a committment from David Cameron ..&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you want a promise from the man who only made two promises and has failed to keep either?</p>
<p>Exactly how much do you think a Cameron promise is worth?</p>
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