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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18455</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this revealing reply. Chris Woodhead, the ex Chief Inspector of Schools certainly confirms what you say. Me, I would very much like a return to how it was before the Comprehensive debacle. I want to see smaller schools with a far more independent exams system and lots more real choice for children over 15 so they are not herded into the University system willy nilly.
Your poor wife!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this revealing reply. Chris Woodhead, the ex Chief Inspector of Schools certainly confirms what you say. Me, I would very much like a return to how it was before the Comprehensive debacle. I want to see smaller schools with a far more independent exams system and lots more real choice for children over 15 so they are not herded into the University system willy nilly.<br />
Your poor wife!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18454</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t have Parents influencing thier children, the state must be the parent, the time is not far off where once born they will be whisked away to Govt Nurseries, for their own safety of course, we parents are not to be trusted, I suspect that is why these cases like baby P are played out on the News over and over again, so we will all cry, something must be done by the Govt...
Sadly, in a country of 60 million, these cases are going to occur now and again, especially with the soaps they have on TV Brainwashing the children growing up that that is the way society is.
In that respect, I blame the BBC and Mass media for these cases just as much as I do the adults involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t have Parents influencing thier children, the state must be the parent, the time is not far off where once born they will be whisked away to Govt Nurseries, for their own safety of course, we parents are not to be trusted, I suspect that is why these cases like baby P are played out on the News over and over again, so we will all cry, something must be done by the Govt&#8230;<br />
Sadly, in a country of 60 million, these cases are going to occur now and again, especially with the soaps they have on TV Brainwashing the children growing up that that is the way society is.<br />
In that respect, I blame the BBC and Mass media for these cases just as much as I do the adults involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18453</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really the English, more the Bank of England, which owns the Federal Reserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really the English, more the Bank of England, which owns the Federal Reserve.</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18452</link>
		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops Dummer should read Dumber.
I am getting angry again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops Dummer should read Dumber.<br />
I am getting angry again.</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18451</link>
		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think you will find the training at McDonalds is to be called apprenticeships, and they are planning 10,000 openings.

This is why Dear old Gordon can say he has succeeded with the apprenticeship schemes the Government is pushing.

It bears absolutely no relation whatsoever with what normal working people think of as Apprenticeships where you had to complete 5 years, often as an indentured apprentice, which involved proper structured training, day release at college for either City and Guilds, HNC or HND qualification.

Its where most of our qualified engineers, toolmakers, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, draughtsmen, project engineers, designers, and proffessional management used to come from.

The rest who left School either did lower skill manual/office type jobs (nothing wrong with that) or went to University.

NVQ&#039;s are now the standard it would seem. Dumming down again.

We just seem to get dummer and dummer, and talk it up.

Its one of the reasons we are failing as a Nation

Many talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think you will find the training at McDonalds is to be called apprenticeships, and they are planning 10,000 openings.</p>
<p>This is why Dear old Gordon can say he has succeeded with the apprenticeship schemes the Government is pushing.</p>
<p>It bears absolutely no relation whatsoever with what normal working people think of as Apprenticeships where you had to complete 5 years, often as an indentured apprentice, which involved proper structured training, day release at college for either City and Guilds, HNC or HND qualification.</p>
<p>Its where most of our qualified engineers, toolmakers, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, draughtsmen, project engineers, designers, and proffessional management used to come from.</p>
<p>The rest who left School either did lower skill manual/office type jobs (nothing wrong with that) or went to University.</p>
<p>NVQ&#8217;s are now the standard it would seem. Dumming down again.</p>
<p>We just seem to get dummer and dummer, and talk it up.</p>
<p>Its one of the reasons we are failing as a Nation</p>
<p>Many talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18450</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from the government that is threatening home-schoolers like my wife and I with regulation! What an excellent idea. Take the most successful segment of education and destroy it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from the government that is threatening home-schoolers like my wife and I with regulation! What an excellent idea. Take the most successful segment of education and destroy it!</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18449</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs Lola is a teacher and a bloody good one.  Luckily she &#039;works&#039; at a relatievly good comprehensive in a relatively nice area.  But, there are a number of members of staff, who quite frankly extract the Michael every day.  They are expert at playing the system.  These teachers are a total burden on the rest of the staff who are forced not only to cover for them, but in Mrs Lola case, to actually do the work that they do not do.  The headteacher has no power to discipline these reprobates and no power to sack them.

And then there are the hours.  Good teachers will have to work nearly every evening in term time and some of their holidays dealing with various school related stuff as well as marking.  A lot of them organise out of school activities and the like.

Good teachers also do an inordinate amount of pastoral work and this involves some very trying calls and meetings with often less than committed students and poor quality parents.

Modern teachers are very highly skilled indeed, and are paid peanuts.  The pension is some small recompense.  Someone with an equivalent level of professionalism would be 50% to 100% more in private business.

All these problems and the staff exploitation are entirely attributable to the Stalinist monopoly that is state education.  Mrs Lola and I joke that she goes each day to attend the &#039;state indoctrination centre&#039;.  Producer capture is endemic.  Funds are short yet eye watering sums are squandered by Whitehall bureaucracy and the Local Authorities.  The quality and rigour of exams has reduced each year and nowadays teachers literally spoonfeed the answers for coursework to the children.  There is no excuse not to get a GSCE (or whatever they are called) as the teachers do all the work for the children.

At the same time many parents have no sense of value of for the education that is provided for free.  Both they and their children see school as some sort of sentence that must be gone through before getting out to work.  Of course there are excellent students and great parents, but their ambition is swamped by the dross.

The whole system is an utter mess.  The stop go capital funding has started agains so no headteacher can make any sensible plans.

BTW I also have some contacts in FE and some of the stories coming out of there now about how central government is reneging on funding and seeking constructive dismissals for vice chancellors as scape goats would make your hair curl.

Overall this is more evidence that New labour couldn&#039;t run anything.  They couldn&#039;t even run a bloody bath.  The sooner the whole &#039;New Labour Project&#039; is consigned to history the better.  Mr Redwood, old son, if you get in you&#039;d better show me that you can actually successfully manage something.  If your lot fail as well.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Lola is a teacher and a bloody good one.  Luckily she &#8216;works&#8217; at a relatievly good comprehensive in a relatively nice area.  But, there are a number of members of staff, who quite frankly extract the Michael every day.  They are expert at playing the system.  These teachers are a total burden on the rest of the staff who are forced not only to cover for them, but in Mrs Lola case, to actually do the work that they do not do.  The headteacher has no power to discipline these reprobates and no power to sack them.</p>
<p>And then there are the hours.  Good teachers will have to work nearly every evening in term time and some of their holidays dealing with various school related stuff as well as marking.  A lot of them organise out of school activities and the like.</p>
<p>Good teachers also do an inordinate amount of pastoral work and this involves some very trying calls and meetings with often less than committed students and poor quality parents.</p>
<p>Modern teachers are very highly skilled indeed, and are paid peanuts.  The pension is some small recompense.  Someone with an equivalent level of professionalism would be 50% to 100% more in private business.</p>
<p>All these problems and the staff exploitation are entirely attributable to the Stalinist monopoly that is state education.  Mrs Lola and I joke that she goes each day to attend the &#8216;state indoctrination centre&#8217;.  Producer capture is endemic.  Funds are short yet eye watering sums are squandered by Whitehall bureaucracy and the Local Authorities.  The quality and rigour of exams has reduced each year and nowadays teachers literally spoonfeed the answers for coursework to the children.  There is no excuse not to get a GSCE (or whatever they are called) as the teachers do all the work for the children.</p>
<p>At the same time many parents have no sense of value of for the education that is provided for free.  Both they and their children see school as some sort of sentence that must be gone through before getting out to work.  Of course there are excellent students and great parents, but their ambition is swamped by the dross.</p>
<p>The whole system is an utter mess.  The stop go capital funding has started agains so no headteacher can make any sensible plans.</p>
<p>BTW I also have some contacts in FE and some of the stories coming out of there now about how central government is reneging on funding and seeking constructive dismissals for vice chancellors as scape goats would make your hair curl.</p>
<p>Overall this is more evidence that New labour couldn&#8217;t run anything.  They couldn&#8217;t even run a bloody bath.  The sooner the whole &#8216;New Labour Project&#8217; is consigned to history the better.  Mr Redwood, old son, if you get in you&#8217;d better show me that you can actually successfully manage something.  If your lot fail as well&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bonus scheme to incentivise all the teachers is clearly the answer.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personal Tutors google it. I have worked with them for ages and they are excellent. I have also had lots of fun and, dare I say it, been very useful too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal Tutors google it. I have worked with them for ages and they are excellent. I have also had lots of fun and, dare I say it, been very useful too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/06/28/second-jobs-for-teachers/#comment-18446</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the reasons was that your system (I was there too) was very violent. Remember the cane? Or the ruler on the knuckles? That is most unfashionable now.
Then there is the huge fear of pedophiles which has made teaching and even being with children very, very dangerous for men. Women are, by nature, very often much more understanding and, perhaps, therefore, less willing to force pupils, especially boys, along into work.  I find they want to set up a sort of friendly family atmosphere in the classroom where the children play rather than actually learn competitively.
Finally, there was the excitement caused by the (disastrous) Comprehensive experiment which closed all the best schools (Secondary Moderns could be - and are today - excellent too) and put them directly under State control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the reasons was that your system (I was there too) was very violent. Remember the cane? Or the ruler on the knuckles? That is most unfashionable now.<br />
Then there is the huge fear of pedophiles which has made teaching and even being with children very, very dangerous for men. Women are, by nature, very often much more understanding and, perhaps, therefore, less willing to force pupils, especially boys, along into work.  I find they want to set up a sort of friendly family atmosphere in the classroom where the children play rather than actually learn competitively.<br />
Finally, there was the excitement caused by the (disastrous) Comprehensive experiment which closed all the best schools (Secondary Moderns could be &#8211; and are today &#8211; excellent too) and put them directly under State control.</p>
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