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		<title>By: darcy morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>darcy morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you provide more information or how to go about doing this?

best regards</description>
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		<title>By: Meg R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever our ideals are the fact is divorce is here to stay.  The best way to deal with this in the interest of children invloved is the presumption of 50/50 equal shared care of the children as long as there are no safety issues. Not only would this be best for children when divorce is inevitable but this would be the biggest deterent for people seeking divorce i.e. each parent would lose contact with the children for half of their lives until the children reach adulthood.

The financial aspect regarding benefits could be dealt with quite simply.  Split child benefit, each parent claims child tax credits as if they were sole parent and get exactly half of the resulting figure.  No maintenance passes between them and each provides for the child while in their care.  No money wasted on lawyers no CSA.  If parents choose to help each other out with childcare which deviates from 50/50 split this remains unofficial and does not effect finance or equal shared care status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever our ideals are the fact is divorce is here to stay.  The best way to deal with this in the interest of children invloved is the presumption of 50/50 equal shared care of the children as long as there are no safety issues. Not only would this be best for children when divorce is inevitable but this would be the biggest deterent for people seeking divorce i.e. each parent would lose contact with the children for half of their lives until the children reach adulthood.</p>
<p>The financial aspect regarding benefits could be dealt with quite simply.  Split child benefit, each parent claims child tax credits as if they were sole parent and get exactly half of the resulting figure.  No maintenance passes between them and each provides for the child while in their care.  No money wasted on lawyers no CSA.  If parents choose to help each other out with childcare which deviates from 50/50 split this remains unofficial and does not effect finance or equal shared care status.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barely thirty years ago, people got married because they wanted to share their lives with each other until death. Now, such people are laughed at, it seems, by a society that encourages folk to change partners like socks and &quot;have a good time while you can&quot;. Strange though it might seem, many people badly need the psychological comfort and security that marriage generates... I personally would have always refused to simply &quot;live&quot; with someone because of the deep feeling of insecurity that it has.
 I once had a friend who lived with her partner for over ten years, only to come home one day and find their property empty and him gone off with another woman. She didnt of course have any claim to anything, in terms of property or money, and was quite devastated for many months after. Yes it happens also to married couples, but at least there&#039;s the opportunity to settle things on a legal basis.

 I agree with another reader above that finances are often the root cause; something which could probably be dealt with by advice, guidance and living within one&#039;s means.
As a somewhat fussy young woman, prior to marriage, I was very picky about my partners and had very few before meeting the person I&#039;ve been married to now for 26 years. Nowadays, there is something rather sordid about watching a woman changing her man every few years, having a baby, getting shot of the bloke then picking up another one a few years later. You can keep your liberalism. I&#039;m just glad I&#039;m not a girl in my 20&#039;s any more, in this day and age.

And one more thing....more marriages lasting longer would reduce the ludicrous demand for so much single-person housing. The builders could get on building family homes with gardens, instead of the acres of rabbit-boxes which we now have, to house divorced woman and divorced man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barely thirty years ago, people got married because they wanted to share their lives with each other until death. Now, such people are laughed at, it seems, by a society that encourages folk to change partners like socks and &#8220;have a good time while you can&#8221;. Strange though it might seem, many people badly need the psychological comfort and security that marriage generates&#8230; I personally would have always refused to simply &#8220;live&#8221; with someone because of the deep feeling of insecurity that it has.<br />
 I once had a friend who lived with her partner for over ten years, only to come home one day and find their property empty and him gone off with another woman. She didnt of course have any claim to anything, in terms of property or money, and was quite devastated for many months after. Yes it happens also to married couples, but at least there&#8217;s the opportunity to settle things on a legal basis.</p>
<p> I agree with another reader above that finances are often the root cause; something which could probably be dealt with by advice, guidance and living within one&#8217;s means.<br />
As a somewhat fussy young woman, prior to marriage, I was very picky about my partners and had very few before meeting the person I&#8217;ve been married to now for 26 years. Nowadays, there is something rather sordid about watching a woman changing her man every few years, having a baby, getting shot of the bloke then picking up another one a few years later. You can keep your liberalism. I&#8217;m just glad I&#8217;m not a girl in my 20&#8242;s any more, in this day and age.</p>
<p>And one more thing&#8230;.more marriages lasting longer would reduce the ludicrous demand for so much single-person housing. The builders could get on building family homes with gardens, instead of the acres of rabbit-boxes which we now have, to house divorced woman and divorced man.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree.

Nobody is forcing anyone to get married. Contrary to your assertion, John, many financially prudent people aren&#039;t put off being married by possible divorce settlements.

In fact, for the most part, were it not for the financial disincentives that governments have created against marriage (for example, if you lose your job and you have a working - even low paid - spouse, you will get next to nothing from the state, despite tax/NI contributions), the natural economic and social advantages of marriage would be clear.

Quite simply, single parenthood outside a stable relationship is not viable for most people without state handouts. There isn&#039;t enough money to go round when people split up (if they have children).

As for pre-nups, the point of marriage is that it is a pre-defined state-recognised contract in which you agree to share your wealth. Therefore marriage should and must render any such pre-nup agreement null and void - there is only one sort of marriage contract, not one that can be modified by other contracts and agreements. If you can&#039;t accept this, then draw up your own customised &#039;partnership&#039; agreement instead of marriage - but don&#039;t pretend it is exactly the same as marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree.</p>
<p>Nobody is forcing anyone to get married. Contrary to your assertion, John, many financially prudent people aren&#8217;t put off being married by possible divorce settlements.</p>
<p>In fact, for the most part, were it not for the financial disincentives that governments have created against marriage (for example, if you lose your job and you have a working &#8211; even low paid &#8211; spouse, you will get next to nothing from the state, despite tax/NI contributions), the natural economic and social advantages of marriage would be clear.</p>
<p>Quite simply, single parenthood outside a stable relationship is not viable for most people without state handouts. There isn&#8217;t enough money to go round when people split up (if they have children).</p>
<p>As for pre-nups, the point of marriage is that it is a pre-defined state-recognised contract in which you agree to share your wealth. Therefore marriage should and must render any such pre-nup agreement null and void &#8211; there is only one sort of marriage contract, not one that can be modified by other contracts and agreements. If you can&#8217;t accept this, then draw up your own customised &#8216;partnership&#8217; agreement instead of marriage &#8211; but don&#8217;t pretend it is exactly the same as marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: A Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iain Duncan Smith schould be commended for bringing these ideas out into the open. Marriage is about our private personal life, but it impinges on society as a whole. It might seem simplistic but shouldn&#039;t we use the carrot to reward rather than the stick to punish? If marriage provides the best outcome then the state must make it attractive (financially) and not reward or punish  unwanted behaviour (single parenting and the like). I often say to my husband that &quot;someone has to bring up children and it&#039;s a hard job&quot;.This brings us on to the issue of what is a living wage in this country? Is it one where an individual parental wage schould be able to support a family of four, thus freeing the other parent to do personal child care ( and society good-works), or is it one where children can only be provided for by two parental wages and childcare is farmed out to nurseries/schools/the TV. etc. Perhaps stable nuclear families with enough wealth to free up parent&#039;s time provide the best outcome for children rather than just marriage itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain Duncan Smith schould be commended for bringing these ideas out into the open. Marriage is about our private personal life, but it impinges on society as a whole. It might seem simplistic but shouldn&#8217;t we use the carrot to reward rather than the stick to punish? If marriage provides the best outcome then the state must make it attractive (financially) and not reward or punish  unwanted behaviour (single parenting and the like). I often say to my husband that &#8220;someone has to bring up children and it&#8217;s a hard job&#8221;.This brings us on to the issue of what is a living wage in this country? Is it one where an individual parental wage schould be able to support a family of four, thus freeing the other parent to do personal child care ( and society good-works), or is it one where children can only be provided for by two parental wages and childcare is farmed out to nurseries/schools/the TV. etc. Perhaps stable nuclear families with enough wealth to free up parent&#8217;s time provide the best outcome for children rather than just marriage itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Elboe Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elboe Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The market for labour does not work like that. There is no fixed amount of work to be shared. The view of &quot;freeing-up&quot; posts leads to the policy implemented by the French Socialists of the 35-hour week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market for labour does not work like that. There is no fixed amount of work to be shared. The view of &#8220;freeing-up&#8221; posts leads to the policy implemented by the French Socialists of the 35-hour week.</p>
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		<title>By: James Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do feel quite strongly about this, and sometimes wonder if my views are a little archaic in these liberal times, not least because no-one openly seems to talk like this any more.  I certainly do feel that something should be done to encourage marriage, though I am not sure IDS&#039;s plans are the way forward.  I think a focus on society, and in particular the welfare state, would be a good place to start.

Obviously there are exceptions to every rule (either way), but statistically, a married, heterosexual couple, are able to create by far and away the best environment to raise children.  That this isn&#039;t discussed any more, is largely down to the bars that polical correctness puts on anyone attempting to promote this fact.

This is not much of a surprise however as, ultimately, the destruction of the nuclear family is a prime tenet of Marxism, not least because nuclear families are largely self-reliant with no need for state intervention in most aspects of it&#039;s daily life.  The Marxoids who control our government, and our media, have done wonders in creating conditions where marriage is no longer required, or even expected.  Political correctness, another favoured weapon of the Marxoids, prevents anyone from being able to speak out about such things as it is only the deafening squeals of &quot;xxxxx-phobic&quot;, bellowed out by the minorities, which are heard/reported.  As such, no-one dare raise their head above the parapet to speak out.

Then there is the feminist lobby, who have also pushed for, and got, very lop-sided divorce settlements, especially where children are concerned.  It is extremely rare for a father to be awarded custody of children, no matter how feckless the mother might be.  Baby Peter is a prime example; a father who tried, and failed, to gain custody of his child knowing that he was being neglected (and mistreated) by his mother and her latest boyfriend.  I have great sympathy for the Fathers for Justice campaigners, especially when you read some of their individual stories.  As a married man, who has recently become a proud father, nothing terrifies me more than the thought my wife could up, take our daughter and leave on a whim, and I would be reduced to being an &quot;every other weekend&quot; father, if she so chose, no matter what the circumstances of our seperation.

However, these liberal policies, instead of empowering women, as the feminists claimed, actually encourage men to jump from partner to partner, making no committments, and certainly not to bothering sticking around if a child appears, knowing, as both parties do, that the State will step in and help out.  The biggest losers in all of this, of course, are the children.

Only now, as these children begin to reach adulthood, are we beginning to see the fruits of these policies, and boy are they rotten.

Liberalism is great, lots of fun, with no responsibility.  That it actually leads down a path towards the sort of totalitarian mess such as we have now, is kind of ironic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do feel quite strongly about this, and sometimes wonder if my views are a little archaic in these liberal times, not least because no-one openly seems to talk like this any more.  I certainly do feel that something should be done to encourage marriage, though I am not sure IDS&#8217;s plans are the way forward.  I think a focus on society, and in particular the welfare state, would be a good place to start.</p>
<p>Obviously there are exceptions to every rule (either way), but statistically, a married, heterosexual couple, are able to create by far and away the best environment to raise children.  That this isn&#8217;t discussed any more, is largely down to the bars that polical correctness puts on anyone attempting to promote this fact.</p>
<p>This is not much of a surprise however as, ultimately, the destruction of the nuclear family is a prime tenet of Marxism, not least because nuclear families are largely self-reliant with no need for state intervention in most aspects of it&#8217;s daily life.  The Marxoids who control our government, and our media, have done wonders in creating conditions where marriage is no longer required, or even expected.  Political correctness, another favoured weapon of the Marxoids, prevents anyone from being able to speak out about such things as it is only the deafening squeals of &#8220;xxxxx-phobic&#8221;, bellowed out by the minorities, which are heard/reported.  As such, no-one dare raise their head above the parapet to speak out.</p>
<p>Then there is the feminist lobby, who have also pushed for, and got, very lop-sided divorce settlements, especially where children are concerned.  It is extremely rare for a father to be awarded custody of children, no matter how feckless the mother might be.  Baby Peter is a prime example; a father who tried, and failed, to gain custody of his child knowing that he was being neglected (and mistreated) by his mother and her latest boyfriend.  I have great sympathy for the Fathers for Justice campaigners, especially when you read some of their individual stories.  As a married man, who has recently become a proud father, nothing terrifies me more than the thought my wife could up, take our daughter and leave on a whim, and I would be reduced to being an &#8220;every other weekend&#8221; father, if she so chose, no matter what the circumstances of our seperation.</p>
<p>However, these liberal policies, instead of empowering women, as the feminists claimed, actually encourage men to jump from partner to partner, making no committments, and certainly not to bothering sticking around if a child appears, knowing, as both parties do, that the State will step in and help out.  The biggest losers in all of this, of course, are the children.</p>
<p>Only now, as these children begin to reach adulthood, are we beginning to see the fruits of these policies, and boy are they rotten.</p>
<p>Liberalism is great, lots of fun, with no responsibility.  That it actually leads down a path towards the sort of totalitarian mess such as we have now, is kind of ironic.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Marriage should be the Norm, However, because of longer Lifespans perhaps there should be 20 yr limits on an initial Marriage, that provides enough time for parents to bring up any children in a stable environment.
Each could then choose to extend the Marriage by ten years thereafter.

Unfortunately, One if the chief aims of Communism was to undermine the basic pillars of Western society, christianity, the family, prohibiting parents and teachers from disciplining children, promoting 24 hr drinking.
They clearly want society to decay, they need the excuse to impose the EU Police state the stability of the family unit therefore has to be destroyed.

The Collapse and destruction of our society is all by design.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yuri+bezmenov&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=communist+agenda&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Marriage should be the Norm, However, because of longer Lifespans perhaps there should be 20 yr limits on an initial Marriage, that provides enough time for parents to bring up any children in a stable environment.<br />
Each could then choose to extend the Marriage by ten years thereafter.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, One if the chief aims of Communism was to undermine the basic pillars of Western society, christianity, the family, prohibiting parents and teachers from disciplining children, promoting 24 hr drinking.<br />
They clearly want society to decay, they need the excuse to impose the EU Police state the stability of the family unit therefore has to be destroyed.</p>
<p>The Collapse and destruction of our society is all by design.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yuri+bezmenov&#038;search_type=&#038;aq=f" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yuri+bezmenov&#038;search_type=&#038;aq=f</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=communist+agenda&#038;search_type=&#038;aq=f" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=communist+agenda&#038;search_type=&#038;aq=f</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with that too, if divorces were based on equality, like it is supposed to then both parents would have shared residence, there would be no squabling over children nor money.
But of course there is no money for Lawyers in amicable settlements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with that too, if divorces were based on equality, like it is supposed to then both parents would have shared residence, there would be no squabling over children nor money.<br />
But of course there is no money for Lawyers in amicable settlements.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You overlook the role of the state in destroying marriages. I can tell you from personal experience that most marriages end because of financial pressure.
My grandfather was a lowly midshipman, then a court secretary. However, he was able to buy a semi-detached house, bring up two children, smoke and my granny never worked.
Today this would not be possible and that is because of government policy. If you look at rates of money printing by successive Conservative and Labour governments since the end of world war 2, you would see that social breakdown is directly linked to the debasement of our currency. The more an administration prints, the less a man&#039;s salary can buy, the more divorces there are.
Since we went off the gold standard, the pound has lost 98% of its buying power.
As Lenin said &#039;the quickest way to destroy capitalism is to debase the currency&#039;. He was correct, we have done it to ourselves and we have also debased our society.
As Plato said, democracy leads to tyranny. We&#039;re about there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You overlook the role of the state in destroying marriages. I can tell you from personal experience that most marriages end because of financial pressure.<br />
My grandfather was a lowly midshipman, then a court secretary. However, he was able to buy a semi-detached house, bring up two children, smoke and my granny never worked.<br />
Today this would not be possible and that is because of government policy. If you look at rates of money printing by successive Conservative and Labour governments since the end of world war 2, you would see that social breakdown is directly linked to the debasement of our currency. The more an administration prints, the less a man&#8217;s salary can buy, the more divorces there are.<br />
Since we went off the gold standard, the pound has lost 98% of its buying power.<br />
As Lenin said &#8216;the quickest way to destroy capitalism is to debase the currency&#8217;. He was correct, we have done it to ourselves and we have also debased our society.<br />
As Plato said, democracy leads to tyranny. We&#8217;re about there.</p>
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