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		<title>By: Lola</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19640</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, that&#039;s just Brown doing Brown, but it does not explain coherently just why his policies and those of his henchmen have failed.  It needs a whole different level of patience and commitment.

Now I quite understand that politics is the &#039;art of the possible&#039;.  And that the art of getting elected is in many ways based on not frightening the voters.  But I now think that this latter point is redundant.  People are crying out for simple direct accurate explanations followed up with policies that correct the mistakes - however painful.  You cannot fight epic deceit with more deceit.   It is that is getting up The Voters nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, that&#8217;s just Brown doing Brown, but it does not explain coherently just why his policies and those of his henchmen have failed.  It needs a whole different level of patience and commitment.</p>
<p>Now I quite understand that politics is the &#8216;art of the possible&#8217;.  And that the art of getting elected is in many ways based on not frightening the voters.  But I now think that this latter point is redundant.  People are crying out for simple direct accurate explanations followed up with policies that correct the mistakes &#8211; however painful.  You cannot fight epic deceit with more deceit.   It is that is getting up The Voters nose.</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19639</link>
		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Cameron&#039;s views and proposals are based on the principles of democracy as opposed to complex, wasteful &#039;state&#039; control.

Your allegation of his association with &#039;violence&#039; and extremism is unevidenced and best taken with a good pinch of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Cameron&#8217;s views and proposals are based on the principles of democracy as opposed to complex, wasteful &#8216;state&#8217; control.</p>
<p>Your allegation of his association with &#8216;violence&#8217; and extremism is unevidenced and best taken with a good pinch of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Beacon</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19638</link>
		<dc:creator>Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your statement that &quot;David Cameron is a true democrat&quot; is not true at all. Mr. Cameron is a signatory to a violent left wing extremest group headed by none other than Ken Livingstone and the Union Unite. He makes no apology for that. Hardly a democrat.

Then you base your argument not on fact but what may be. There is no evidence to suggest Cameron will &quot;return to local government, re-empowering people and abolishing waste.&quot;

If however, he does as he has suggested and returns grandees such as Peter Lilly, Stephen Dorrell, and might I suggest, John Redwood to the front benches. Then there is a qualified belief that a Cameron government would do as you have said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your statement that &#8220;David Cameron is a true democrat&#8221; is not true at all. Mr. Cameron is a signatory to a violent left wing extremest group headed by none other than Ken Livingstone and the Union Unite. He makes no apology for that. Hardly a democrat.</p>
<p>Then you base your argument not on fact but what may be. There is no evidence to suggest Cameron will &#8220;return to local government, re-empowering people and abolishing waste.&#8221;</p>
<p>If however, he does as he has suggested and returns grandees such as Peter Lilly, Stephen Dorrell, and might I suggest, John Redwood to the front benches. Then there is a qualified belief that a Cameron government would do as you have said.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Fairney</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19637</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Fairney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear DC may suffer from the same problem Blair had, i.e. not really reflecting the views of his party, but elected in the desperate hope that he could win an election.  I hope I am wrong.  Time will tell.

Perhaps the one great mistake Thatcher made, amongst many successes, was the fact she changed policies without changing the culture.  Many Brits simply do not believe their kids would be educated, or themselves treated in hospital, or taken care of in old age without the state.  This is of course nonsense, they would be better off, but we need to break with the prevailing zeitgeist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear DC may suffer from the same problem Blair had, i.e. not really reflecting the views of his party, but elected in the desperate hope that he could win an election.  I hope I am wrong.  Time will tell.</p>
<p>Perhaps the one great mistake Thatcher made, amongst many successes, was the fact she changed policies without changing the culture.  Many Brits simply do not believe their kids would be educated, or themselves treated in hospital, or taken care of in old age without the state.  This is of course nonsense, they would be better off, but we need to break with the prevailing zeitgeist.</p>
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		<title>By: alex popplewell</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19636</link>
		<dc:creator>alex popplewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting FT column from tim montgomerie (based on asking them)suggests that the new parliamentary con party will be fairly thatcherite,and pretty universally eurosceptic-or &quot;sound&quot;,according to your PoV...i think DC has suffered from clothes stealing and one hopes he will set out a more adventurous stall in short order.even the radical schools policy has a bit less to it than meets the eye....but the mood of the country is that profigacy hasn&#039;t worked,so cuts (of waste) isn&#039;t as toxic a message as we might fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting FT column from tim montgomerie (based on asking them)suggests that the new parliamentary con party will be fairly thatcherite,and pretty universally eurosceptic-or &#8220;sound&#8221;,according to your PoV&#8230;i think DC has suffered from clothes stealing and one hopes he will set out a more adventurous stall in short order.even the radical schools policy has a bit less to it than meets the eye&#8230;.but the mood of the country is that profigacy hasn&#8217;t worked,so cuts (of waste) isn&#8217;t as toxic a message as we might fear.</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19635</link>
		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloning is also routine &#039;oldrightie&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloning is also routine &#8216;oldrightie&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: oldrightie</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19634</link>
		<dc:creator>oldrightie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the comments point to the theme of your kind reply. It really is very scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the comments point to the theme of your kind reply. It really is very scary.</p>
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		<title>By: brian kelly</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19633</link>
		<dc:creator>brian kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have said ad nauseam - New Labour is an entirely party political creation dedicated first to attain power and then to retain it.  Every single thing is subsumed to these overriding objectives - and all things are permitted in order to achieve them. It is no great exaggeration to say that, in many ways, it compares to the political philosophy of the Soviet Union and we are only, at least partially saved so far, by our much greater political maturity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have said ad nauseam &#8211; New Labour is an entirely party political creation dedicated first to attain power and then to retain it.  Every single thing is subsumed to these overriding objectives &#8211; and all things are permitted in order to achieve them. It is no great exaggeration to say that, in many ways, it compares to the political philosophy of the Soviet Union and we are only, at least partially saved so far, by our much greater political maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19632</link>
		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are paid to disrupt/negate sites which do not support &#039;Labour idealogy&#039; - the &quot;keyboard monkeys/sock puppets&quot; pose as genuine commentators.    Taxpayer funded, of course !

Nulabor - the clenched fist in a velvet glove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are paid to disrupt/negate sites which do not support &#8216;Labour idealogy&#8217; &#8211; the &#8220;keyboard monkeys/sock puppets&#8221; pose as genuine commentators.    Taxpayer funded, of course !</p>
<p>Nulabor &#8211; the clenched fist in a velvet glove.</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/07/19/very-old-labour/#comment-19631</link>
		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Labour is &#039;tyrannical&#039; - hence the need for a change of government.

The &#039;ruling party&#039; is rotten to the core and widely recognized as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Labour is &#8216;tyrannical&#8217; &#8211; hence the need for a change of government.</p>
<p>The &#8216;ruling party&#8217; is rotten to the core and widely recognized as such.</p>
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