Waterboarding was approved for 3 detainees at Guantanamo, on the basis that they were known to have information which could save many other lives. It was not done for fun, retribution or out of masochism. When the Obama administration released the details recently, Cheney challenged him to also release the information they got from doing this. Tellingly, this has not been done.

Abu Graib was abuse of some prisoners (who had been causing disruptions) and the offending guards were punished. It was not a matter of policy.

Extraordinary rendition is a matter of breaking international law to arrest people genuinely seen as a danger. In and of itself it is not particularly abusive towards those taken.

So, clearly as Rob said, your inability to differenciate between Al-Quaida torturing and killing as a matter of policy, and a very small number tortured in order to attempt to save many lives (plus criminal activities from some guards who were subsequently punished) renders you a pinhead

Also applies to volunteer workers as well, who should prove their innocence under the CRB system.

At the last count it has been suggested that 11,000,000 people will need to prove their innocence, before being allowed near children elderly or vunerable people.

the joke is (not funny, and more Government crap) is that you have to be cleared for every different task you do.

EG a schoolteacher, has to prove their innocence again if they work out of hours doing something else with children.

A nurse has to be checked again, if they care for other people outside of the hospital.

In our local Lions Club we have some members who have 4 different CRB registration checks for 4 different tasks.

Its all a bloody nonesense, and a huge paperwork mountain which proves at the time the check was made, you were innocent. Nothing else.

Innocent until proven guilty, NOT UNDER THIS GOVERNMENT.

To begin with many of the countries that the prisoners held at Guantanamo come from refuse to take them back or would happily take them back with grave risk for the prisoners transferred to their home country.

By all means if you want them in your backyard then tell your government to take them.

The Guantánamo Uighurs being a case in point – Chinal will take them back, but the Guantánamo Uighurs are very nervous of going back to their home – they fear what would happen to them if they ended up under the control of the Chinese authorities, these are men who were training to fight what they saw as Chinese oppression. All the same, if you want them, President Obama would be happy to fly them to Heathrow!

Her speeches are on a par with Churchill’s.

Nulabor’s the only party who operates on the sole basis of empty rhetoric, spin and manipulation …. such is their contempt for us.

Licence aim is not about child safety, it will be political; those not towing or preaching the party line will be ‘struck off’. ‘Social engineering’ – rewriting our history and heritage is Nulabor’s idea of “ederkashun”.

Ed Balls proclaimed ‘freedom for teachers’ by abolishing the £136 m SATS fiasco whilst planning great strictures – a ‘licence to operate’.

Perhaps the reported 8 month delay in US report is designed to coincide with Bliar’s long set aim of becoming EU President.

I find the filming of prisoners highly questionable; it’s inhuman and deeply disturbing to viewers. Film footage of WW2 prisoners in concentration camps pales into insignificance by comparison.
How can this be allowed to continue ?