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		<title>By: Freddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We won’t have many scientists left to even act as advisors , unless politics economics and philosophy is banned completely and proper sciences take precedence again!&quot;

Quite agree. But don&#039;t forget us mathematicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We won’t have many scientists left to even act as advisors , unless politics economics and philosophy is banned completely and proper sciences take precedence again!&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite agree. But don&#8217;t forget us mathematicians.</p>
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		<title>By: True Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True belle Reply:Your comment is awaiting moderation.
August 24th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

David Gale
I hope some one sits up and takes notice of your words. I believe that Whitehall and the rest has a comfortable cosy zone . The administrative mindset is incapable of doing things with out a manual!

We won’t have many scientists left to even act as advisors , unless politics economics and philosophy is banned completely and proper sciences take precedence again!

The Nuclear industry is a prime example, especially with the decommisioning of elderly power stations, and the promise of new ones, and the unpopularity of nuclear physics with youngsters. (Scientist shortages looming again))

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True belle Reply:Your comment is awaiting moderation.<br />
August 24th, 2009 at 8:42 pm</p>
<p>David Gale<br />
I hope some one sits up and takes notice of your words. I believe that Whitehall and the rest has a comfortable cosy zone . The administrative mindset is incapable of doing things with out a manual!</p>
<p>We won’t have many scientists left to even act as advisors , unless politics economics and philosophy is banned completely and proper sciences take precedence again!</p>
<p>The Nuclear industry is a prime example, especially with the decommisioning of elderly power stations, and the promise of new ones, and the unpopularity of nuclear physics with youngsters. (Scientist shortages looming again))</p>
<p>Reply</p>
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		<title>By: ManicBeancounter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, a very good posting, which I very much agree with. However, as well as honesty and courage, Mrs T was guided by purpose and vision. She upset those who believed in consensus politics, which in practice meant listening to everyone&#039;s opinion, and getting a compromise based on who could shout loudest. Now we have the inexpert opinions of spin doctors dressed up as proposed policy to fill the daily news bulletins.
It is a vision again that we are needing. One of fiscal conservatism to sort out the public finances and the old-fashioned notion of value for money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, a very good posting, which I very much agree with. However, as well as honesty and courage, Mrs T was guided by purpose and vision. She upset those who believed in consensus politics, which in practice meant listening to everyone&#8217;s opinion, and getting a compromise based on who could shout loudest. Now we have the inexpert opinions of spin doctors dressed up as proposed policy to fill the daily news bulletins.<br />
It is a vision again that we are needing. One of fiscal conservatism to sort out the public finances and the old-fashioned notion of value for money.</p>
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		<title>By: True belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>True belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Gale
I hope some one sits up and takes notice of  your words.  I believe that Whitehall and the rest has a comfortable cosy zone .  The administrative mindset is incapable of doing things with out a manual!

We won&#039;t have many scientists left to even act as advisors , unless politics economics and philosophy is banned completely and  proper sciences take precedence again!

The Nuclear industry is a prime example, especially with  the decommisioning  of elderly power stations, and the promise of new ones, and the unpopularity of  nuclear physics with youngsters. (Scientist shortages looming again))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Gale<br />
I hope some one sits up and takes notice of  your words.  I believe that Whitehall and the rest has a comfortable cosy zone .  The administrative mindset is incapable of doing things with out a manual!</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t have many scientists left to even act as advisors , unless politics economics and philosophy is banned completely and  proper sciences take precedence again!</p>
<p>The Nuclear industry is a prime example, especially with  the decommisioning  of elderly power stations, and the promise of new ones, and the unpopularity of  nuclear physics with youngsters. (Scientist shortages looming again))</p>
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		<title>By: David Gale</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all their faults (and there are plenty!) my dealings with the Chinese Government illustrate exactly what&#039;s missing in the UK. The Chinese cabinet (upper &amp; lower) is stuffed full of engineers and scientists, not professional politicians. These people understand the requirement for long-term vision, aligned to long-term strategies and they are given individual, long-term responsibility for seeing them through.

When Murdoch &amp; Co and the popularity statisticians are allowed to call the tune, all we get is short-term manipulation of the same tired old &#039;policies&#039;, measured by accountants as &#039;performance indicators&#039;. Just as was proved in the Seventies, these bean-counters know how to dress a balance sheet to make a finance director&#039;s bonus but they are utterly clueless when it comes to long-term vision.

Yet we see Whitehall mandarins still in protectionist mode of their empires and budgets. What the country needs is revolution in Whitehall, not Sir Humphrey&#039;s convenient and comfortable evolution. To enable that kind of transformational change, we need a flexible technology framework that starts with a vision of the citizen at the centre of information management, not trifling tweaks of already moribund systems and processes. The good news is that this CAN be done. The bad news is that I see little difference between either of the main parties and their professional politicians...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all their faults (and there are plenty!) my dealings with the Chinese Government illustrate exactly what&#8217;s missing in the UK. The Chinese cabinet (upper &amp; lower) is stuffed full of engineers and scientists, not professional politicians. These people understand the requirement for long-term vision, aligned to long-term strategies and they are given individual, long-term responsibility for seeing them through.</p>
<p>When Murdoch &amp; Co and the popularity statisticians are allowed to call the tune, all we get is short-term manipulation of the same tired old &#8216;policies&#8217;, measured by accountants as &#8216;performance indicators&#8217;. Just as was proved in the Seventies, these bean-counters know how to dress a balance sheet to make a finance director&#8217;s bonus but they are utterly clueless when it comes to long-term vision.</p>
<p>Yet we see Whitehall mandarins still in protectionist mode of their empires and budgets. What the country needs is revolution in Whitehall, not Sir Humphrey&#8217;s convenient and comfortable evolution. To enable that kind of transformational change, we need a flexible technology framework that starts with a vision of the citizen at the centre of information management, not trifling tweaks of already moribund systems and processes. The good news is that this CAN be done. The bad news is that I see little difference between either of the main parties and their professional politicians&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Waramess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waramess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reply was intended for Simon D.

You have indeed always stood up for a sound fiscal position as you say and a smaller state involvment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reply was intended for Simon D.</p>
<p>You have indeed always stood up for a sound fiscal position as you say and a smaller state involvment.</p>
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		<title>By: True belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>True belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs Thatcher became  a scientist, she was at ease with men of all types, and had nothing to prove because she was a top dog in her own right. She appeared to be a true leader and captain of her side!

I am not sure where  grass roots Tories fit in with DCs idea of new Tory ism.

Some of us feel there is a wishy washy element to the party, and that it is one huge PR exercise.

I think that DC has ignored the vast majority of would be voters who are now at retirement age, and has failed to engage with them.   Don&#039;t forget we have been through boom and bust many times before,  in particular remembering  the early seventies when interest rates were so high that they damaged everyone.  Mortgages and fuel  inflation and power outages.

Many will probably vote UKIP, but who knows. Many preferred David Davis as a sound pair of hands, but ideas change don&#039;t they.

Many bods in county towns are not at all easy with Tory thoughts on pruning back local government etc, and all the partnerships associated with them, they are the higher income earners and potential Tory voters!

The Lib Dems are a quirky bunch. Pensioners are drawn to Vince Cable and his ideas, rather like a flock of sheep. The Libs say they have something pleasant in store  for retired people.

The Tory leadership will fall back on their own  tribal allegiances , but the remainder of us back in our constituencies will not be heard.

I am more concerned about when we had  the good years of financial growth, what were fund managers playing around at/ when now we are all seeing our life  savings ruined.

The fat cats got fatter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Thatcher became  a scientist, she was at ease with men of all types, and had nothing to prove because she was a top dog in her own right. She appeared to be a true leader and captain of her side!</p>
<p>I am not sure where  grass roots Tories fit in with DCs idea of new Tory ism.</p>
<p>Some of us feel there is a wishy washy element to the party, and that it is one huge PR exercise.</p>
<p>I think that DC has ignored the vast majority of would be voters who are now at retirement age, and has failed to engage with them.   Don&#8217;t forget we have been through boom and bust many times before,  in particular remembering  the early seventies when interest rates were so high that they damaged everyone.  Mortgages and fuel  inflation and power outages.</p>
<p>Many will probably vote UKIP, but who knows. Many preferred David Davis as a sound pair of hands, but ideas change don&#8217;t they.</p>
<p>Many bods in county towns are not at all easy with Tory thoughts on pruning back local government etc, and all the partnerships associated with them, they are the higher income earners and potential Tory voters!</p>
<p>The Lib Dems are a quirky bunch. Pensioners are drawn to Vince Cable and his ideas, rather like a flock of sheep. The Libs say they have something pleasant in store  for retired people.</p>
<p>The Tory leadership will fall back on their own  tribal allegiances , but the remainder of us back in our constituencies will not be heard.</p>
<p>I am more concerned about when we had  the good years of financial growth, what were fund managers playing around at/ when now we are all seeing our life  savings ruined.</p>
<p>The fat cats got fatter.</p>
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		<title>By: Waramess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waramess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a right to your opinions even though they may be considered by some to be somewhat shallow.

There is indeed no point in having principles without power but this does not justify having power without principles. That would be to tread the same road as Blair.

I would cautiously agree that we must get rid of the wrecker Brown at all costs but someone then has to carry on with the job of governing.

In my lifetime people have said on many occasions that right wing economics is dead; it never is. Sound money and free market disciplines has saved Britain every time the socialists have had the opportunity to test out statist economics.

reply: When have I ever failed to stand up for more freedom and a sound fiscal position based on a smaller state? Remember I was the only MP who denounced the bank naitonalisations in public at the moment of nationalisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a right to your opinions even though they may be considered by some to be somewhat shallow.</p>
<p>There is indeed no point in having principles without power but this does not justify having power without principles. That would be to tread the same road as Blair.</p>
<p>I would cautiously agree that we must get rid of the wrecker Brown at all costs but someone then has to carry on with the job of governing.</p>
<p>In my lifetime people have said on many occasions that right wing economics is dead; it never is. Sound money and free market disciplines has saved Britain every time the socialists have had the opportunity to test out statist economics.</p>
<p>reply: When have I ever failed to stand up for more freedom and a sound fiscal position based on a smaller state? Remember I was the only MP who denounced the bank naitonalisations in public at the moment of nationalisation.</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian

Your last paragraph has some very, very, true aspects.

The story lines of many of these soaps are so influential to so many, that a large number of the population think it represents true life.

Have you noticed that hardly anyone actually spends time working for a living in these programmes, they just accumulate money to spend, interesting that no one is portrayed as being on benefits either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian</p>
<p>Your last paragraph has some very, very, true aspects.</p>
<p>The story lines of many of these soaps are so influential to so many, that a large number of the population think it represents true life.</p>
<p>Have you noticed that hardly anyone actually spends time working for a living in these programmes, they just accumulate money to spend, interesting that no one is portrayed as being on benefits either.</p>
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		<title>By: backofanenvelope</title>
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		<description>Personally I think that within 12 months we will have rising inflation.  Its the only way out for the government - any government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think that within 12 months we will have rising inflation.  Its the only way out for the government &#8211; any government.</p>
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