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		<title>By: no one</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/how-much-appetite-for-radical-change/#comment-21736</link>
		<dc:creator>no one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so i guess this is an england only policy? scottish and welsh will ignore it? as per skye road bridge? and conservative govt will not try to force it on them?

whats the current conservative policy on the devolution question? the english still going to be paying for free prescriptions in scotland and wales?

ha ha (sorry to ask the tough questions, but a modern mrs T would have answers to all of this worked out...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so i guess this is an england only policy? scottish and welsh will ignore it? as per skye road bridge? and conservative govt will not try to force it on them?</p>
<p>whats the current conservative policy on the devolution question? the english still going to be paying for free prescriptions in scotland and wales?</p>
<p>ha ha (sorry to ask the tough questions, but a modern mrs T would have answers to all of this worked out&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Where is the analysis that bunged-up motorways are actually the fault of the Highways Agency, rather than any other factor ? &quot;

Good point.  There is data available to show that road works are not a major contributory factor to journey time (un)reliability.  Most congestion is caused by too many vehicles and accidents.  Traffic flow through road works (on motorways) tends to be extremely efficient as it is more highly controlled than in more free flow areas of the network.

The H&amp;S &#039;burden&#039; as you put it has, apart from keeping large numbers of people healthy, made significant savings for major construction firms as they reduce down-time due to accidents.  The country benefits financially and socially from reduced serious and fatal injuries in the construction industry (the industry with the highest number of fatal injuries for the past 4/5 years).

None of this means JRs ideas (not exactly his if he&#039;s honest) are bogus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where is the analysis that bunged-up motorways are actually the fault of the Highways Agency, rather than any other factor ? &#8221;</p>
<p>Good point.  There is data available to show that road works are not a major contributory factor to journey time (un)reliability.  Most congestion is caused by too many vehicles and accidents.  Traffic flow through road works (on motorways) tends to be extremely efficient as it is more highly controlled than in more free flow areas of the network.</p>
<p>The H&amp;S &#8216;burden&#8217; as you put it has, apart from keeping large numbers of people healthy, made significant savings for major construction firms as they reduce down-time due to accidents.  The country benefits financially and socially from reduced serious and fatal injuries in the construction industry (the industry with the highest number of fatal injuries for the past 4/5 years).</p>
<p>None of this means JRs ideas (not exactly his if he&#8217;s honest) are bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Responsible</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/how-much-appetite-for-radical-change/#comment-21734</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen Responsible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How true! Reading your comment, I now realise I think this way every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How true! Reading your comment, I now realise I think this way every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Dan H.</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/how-much-appetite-for-radical-change/#comment-21733</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Dan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem here is that for the last decade or so we have had a bunch of (inadequates-ed) in charge whose main objective was to try to make us conform to whichever of their lunatic doctrines was currently in favour. For the last few years, a sort of faux environmentalism has been flavour of the month, and this creed mostly involves mouthing a few platitudes about the environment then putting up taxes.

Quite simply, we&#039;re sick and tired of all this.

The general reaction when anyone in government comes up with a new plan is on the lines of &quot;Oh bollocks, here comes an idiot who&#039;s going to try to raid our bank balances. Again.&quot; The current government consists of a vast army of (inadequates-ed) led by a leadership team who&#039;d lose a battle of wits with a sack of well-rotted manure (not to mention a vote, should it come to that). Good, intelligent leadership is so rare in the current bunch, and inefficient plodding mediocrity so common that nobody these days seriously believes that a politician is anything other than a venal, corrupt thief out to line his pockets at our expense.

Your job, sir, is not to sort out our roads but to restore our faith in our government. Putting our membership of the EU to a referendum would be a very effective way to start, if I might make so bold...

Reply: I do support a referendum on the terms of our membership of the EU and have done a lot to further that cause. The next government also needs to sort out the roads, which are hopelessly inadequate for our needs even in a recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem here is that for the last decade or so we have had a bunch of (inadequates-ed) in charge whose main objective was to try to make us conform to whichever of their lunatic doctrines was currently in favour. For the last few years, a sort of faux environmentalism has been flavour of the month, and this creed mostly involves mouthing a few platitudes about the environment then putting up taxes.</p>
<p>Quite simply, we&#8217;re sick and tired of all this.</p>
<p>The general reaction when anyone in government comes up with a new plan is on the lines of &#8220;Oh bollocks, here comes an idiot who&#8217;s going to try to raid our bank balances. Again.&#8221; The current government consists of a vast army of (inadequates-ed) led by a leadership team who&#8217;d lose a battle of wits with a sack of well-rotted manure (not to mention a vote, should it come to that). Good, intelligent leadership is so rare in the current bunch, and inefficient plodding mediocrity so common that nobody these days seriously believes that a politician is anything other than a venal, corrupt thief out to line his pockets at our expense.</p>
<p>Your job, sir, is not to sort out our roads but to restore our faith in our government. Putting our membership of the EU to a referendum would be a very effective way to start, if I might make so bold&#8230;</p>
<p>Reply: I do support a referendum on the terms of our membership of the EU and have done a lot to further that cause. The next government also needs to sort out the roads, which are hopelessly inadequate for our needs even in a recession.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/how-much-appetite-for-radical-change/#comment-21732</link>
		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned earlier, just make petrol twenty quid a gallon. Interesting to see how long it stayed at this price though if radical and unforeseen miniature engine technology evolved allowing most of the energy from the fuel to the wheels. Forty quid the following week for sure. I would bet my car on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned earlier, just make petrol twenty quid a gallon. Interesting to see how long it stayed at this price though if radical and unforeseen miniature engine technology evolved allowing most of the energy from the fuel to the wheels. Forty quid the following week for sure. I would bet my car on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of the improvements in telecommunication are due to technological innovation and advancement. Little to do with BT who the Conservative party would have you believe the internet was invented by BT after it was privatised.
Here&#039;s a radical idea. Instead of giving vast and guaranteed profits to private individuals. Spend the money on improving existing roads. Increase the tax even. Here&#039;s the radical bit. Spend it on the roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the improvements in telecommunication are due to technological innovation and advancement. Little to do with BT who the Conservative party would have you believe the internet was invented by BT after it was privatised.<br />
Here&#8217;s a radical idea. Instead of giving vast and guaranteed profits to private individuals. Spend the money on improving existing roads. Increase the tax even. Here&#8217;s the radical bit. Spend it on the roads.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wheatley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wheatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can do &quot;radical&quot; IF it is any good. I would say, John, a convincing case has yet to be made. But in any event, at best any improvement to road transport will be marginal.

My main criticism is this is fiddling with tactics, but where is the strategy?

We know from experience that as transport facilities improve they are used more. It seems we humans can find endless reasons to travel. And the more readily goods can reach wider markets the more incentive there is to to send more to more destinations. Although worthy, there is a cost in providing increasingly improved facilities for the increasing travel of people and goods, not just for the transport facilities themselves, but also a cost of the impact on the environment.

The situation is made worse by an increasing population because improvements have to hit a target moving upwards. You say nothing about the quality of the result you expect to see. Indeed, proposals of this type don&#039;t really mean much unless you state the population size and timescale at which you are aiming.

The UK is a limited area, and the more of it that is used up for transport, and the consequences of transport, the less there is for other things.

I think any consideration of roads should also look at what can be done to reduce the number of journeys. For instance, modern communications technology has improved such that very good video conferencing is possible. But this is not available to all. If every home could conference with HD TV quality with easy to use facilities at a modest cost, then there would be a realistic alternative to a meaningful proportion of journeys.

A sound tactic, no matter how radical, can be an effective means of heading off in the wrong direction for lack of a good strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can do &#8220;radical&#8221; IF it is any good. I would say, John, a convincing case has yet to be made. But in any event, at best any improvement to road transport will be marginal.</p>
<p>My main criticism is this is fiddling with tactics, but where is the strategy?</p>
<p>We know from experience that as transport facilities improve they are used more. It seems we humans can find endless reasons to travel. And the more readily goods can reach wider markets the more incentive there is to to send more to more destinations. Although worthy, there is a cost in providing increasingly improved facilities for the increasing travel of people and goods, not just for the transport facilities themselves, but also a cost of the impact on the environment.</p>
<p>The situation is made worse by an increasing population because improvements have to hit a target moving upwards. You say nothing about the quality of the result you expect to see. Indeed, proposals of this type don&#8217;t really mean much unless you state the population size and timescale at which you are aiming.</p>
<p>The UK is a limited area, and the more of it that is used up for transport, and the consequences of transport, the less there is for other things.</p>
<p>I think any consideration of roads should also look at what can be done to reduce the number of journeys. For instance, modern communications technology has improved such that very good video conferencing is possible. But this is not available to all. If every home could conference with HD TV quality with easy to use facilities at a modest cost, then there would be a realistic alternative to a meaningful proportion of journeys.</p>
<p>A sound tactic, no matter how radical, can be an effective means of heading off in the wrong direction for lack of a good strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the toll roads especially in Italy are very much under used whilst the free ones are oversubscribed. An extreme of this in Britain is my suspicion. The M6 toll road is a real luxury and very much appreciated when I go up north a few times a year. Not affordable every day though. If there was not a free motorway I would have to use the A and B roads as there would be no alternative. I would have no &#039;choice&#039;. Concord, First Class or economy? Oh! let me think...Concord is not running and the cutlery is just getting so bad in First Class these days and what with all these football and new Russians....Looks like economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the toll roads especially in Italy are very much under used whilst the free ones are oversubscribed. An extreme of this in Britain is my suspicion. The M6 toll road is a real luxury and very much appreciated when I go up north a few times a year. Not affordable every day though. If there was not a free motorway I would have to use the A and B roads as there would be no alternative. I would have no &#8216;choice&#8217;. Concord, First Class or economy? Oh! let me think&#8230;Concord is not running and the cutlery is just getting so bad in First Class these days and what with all these football and new Russians&#8230;.Looks like economy.</p>
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		<title>By: the pro from dover</title>
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		<dc:creator>the pro from dover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not have a look at a window tax?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not have a look at a window tax?</p>
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		<title>By: the pro from dover</title>
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		<dc:creator>the pro from dover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that you haven&#039;t a clue how the road network in this country operates. There is very little choice of viable routes available from major conurbations -especially east/west.
Even London -you try avoiding the South Circular (quicker walking).
Nationalisation of the road network and tolls is a non-starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that you haven&#8217;t a clue how the road network in this country operates. There is very little choice of viable routes available from major conurbations -especially east/west.<br />
Even London -you try avoiding the South Circular (quicker walking).<br />
Nationalisation of the road network and tolls is a non-starter.</p>
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