Comments on: The Sunday Times Rothschilds story http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/ Incisive and topical campaigns and commentary on today's issues and tomorrow's problems Thu, 24 May 2012 19:27:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: Adrian Peirson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21821 Adrian Peirson Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:28:08 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21821 What a Great Wheeze by the Govt ( and the the Shadow Govt ), stuff the country with more people than it can feed or cater for in every sense of the word, then blame them for all the problems, like congestion, pollution, landfill problems etc, so they can be asset stripped some more. This is theft, pure and simple, we did not cause any of these problems. Whay are you all considering to agree it. All Govt has to do today is come up with some linguistic sleight of mouth about it being necessary to take your wealth from you and you all agree !!!! Wake up, you are being robbed. NONE of the problems we face in the is country are the fault of the British people. We are all being Farmed. http://www.youtube.com/user/RenegadeEconomist What a Great Wheeze by the Govt ( and the the Shadow Govt ), stuff the country with more people than it can feed or cater for in every sense of the word, then blame them for all the problems, like congestion, pollution, landfill problems etc, so they can be asset stripped some more.
This is theft, pure and simple, we did not cause any of these problems. Whay are you all considering to agree it.

All Govt has to do today is come up with some linguistic sleight of mouth about it being necessary to take your wealth from you and you all agree !!!!
Wake up, you are being robbed.

NONE of the problems we face in the is country are the fault of the British people.

We are all being Farmed.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RenegadeEconomist

]]> By: StevenL http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21820 StevenL Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:01:25 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21820 It's not "THE THIN EDGE OF A VERY WIDE WEDGE", it's all that's left to sell. On seconf thoughts, have you seen 'hostel'? I wonder how much we could get for some of our politicans? It’s not “THE THIN EDGE OF A VERY WIDE WEDGE”, it’s all that’s left to sell.

On seconf thoughts, have you seen ‘hostel’? I wonder how much we could get for some of our politicans?

]]> By: alan jutson http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21819 alan jutson Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:38:17 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21819 "Full offsetting tax reductions so motorists are no worse off" clearly means what it says. And for me that would mean I am no worse off if I carry on with exactly the same milage and usage that I do now. But in the real world. If its neutral for me, then by default its more expensive for someone else, and possibly less expensive for others, who complete different routes of different milage or who have a different VED rate. It will depend upon where you live, how often you use motorways or trunk roads, at what time of the day you use them, how much mileage you do, what your rate of VED is etc etc. Two people with the same car, doing the same overall milage, in different areas, at a different times of tha day, on different roads, will have very different costs to each other. In other words one size does not fit all. Apart from all of that, I simply do not trust Government not to take advantage (we have had 12 years of lies and deception). neither do I trust the franchise not to take advantage (after all they have shareholders to satisfy) Utility Companies spring to mind. In addition it makes life more complicated, and if its more complicated, its more inconvenient and more costly. “Full offsetting tax reductions so motorists are no worse off” clearly means what it says.

And for me that would mean I am no worse off if I carry on with exactly the same milage and usage that I do now.

But in the real world.

If its neutral for me, then by default its more expensive for someone else, and possibly less expensive for others, who complete different routes of different milage or who have a different VED rate.

It will depend upon where you live, how often you use motorways or trunk roads, at what time of the day you use them, how much mileage you do, what your rate of VED is etc etc.

Two people with the same car, doing the same overall milage, in different areas, at a different times of tha day, on different roads, will have very different costs to each other.

In other words one size does not fit all.

Apart from all of that, I simply do not trust Government not to take advantage (we have had 12 years of lies and deception). neither do I trust the franchise not to take advantage (after all they have shareholders to satisfy) Utility Companies spring to mind.

In addition it makes life more complicated, and if its more complicated, its more inconvenient and more costly.

]]> By: Lola http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21818 Lola Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:06:13 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21818 It's not really ever been 'free' - well not since the need to build good trunk routes became vital and apparently according to wikipedia this stared over 2700 years ago, somewhat earlier than I had thought. What I did know was that Thomas Telford's London to Holyhead road built in about 1800 was arguably the first 'trunk' toll road. In any event I see absolutely no problem at all in privatising the management of the Motorway and Trunk Road network. As long as other motoring taxes are substantially reduced. And there is sufficient plurality available in the method of toll collection as well as strict rules on the retention of individual travel information. In a previous life I worked in Highway Engineering. I worked with the various government agencies involved in roads and I came to the opinion that like all such organisations they suffered endemic producer capture and were wildly inefficient. Clearly there were excellent blokes on their staffs, and these usually moved back into private industry. If they didn't they made a compact with Devil for the pension. Get the State out of as much of lives as possible. It’s not really ever been ‘free’ – well not since the need to build good trunk routes became vital and apparently according to wikipedia this stared over 2700 years ago, somewhat earlier than I had thought. What I did know was that Thomas Telford’s London to Holyhead road built in about 1800 was arguably the first ‘trunk’ toll road.

In any event I see absolutely no problem at all in privatising the management of the Motorway and Trunk Road network. As long as other motoring taxes are substantially reduced. And there is sufficient plurality available in the method of toll collection as well as strict rules on the retention of individual travel information.

In a previous life I worked in Highway Engineering. I worked with the various government agencies involved in roads and I came to the opinion that like all such organisations they suffered endemic producer capture and were wildly inefficient. Clearly there were excellent blokes on their staffs, and these usually moved back into private industry. If they didn’t they made a compact with Devil for the pension.

Get the State out of as much of lives as possible.

]]> By: Philip Walker http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21817 Philip Walker Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:31:13 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21817 "Motoring will become more expensive." Quoting the original post, what does "full offsetting tax reductions so motorists are not worse off" mean to you? “Motoring will become more expensive.”

Quoting the original post, what does “full offsetting tax reductions so motorists are not worse off” mean to you?

]]> By: backofanenvelope http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21816 backofanenvelope Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:25:19 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21816 Well Mr Redwood, maybe you should go back to the drawing board on this one. There doesn't seem much enthusiasm for your scheme. Well Mr Redwood, maybe you should go back to the drawing board on this one. There doesn’t seem much enthusiasm for your scheme.

]]> By: Chris H http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21815 Chris H Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:42:15 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21815 Drivers pay enough as it is. If you charge tolls for the main roads, then people will just use narrow cross-country routes and clog up the villages (like where I live, and it's clogged solid now). Those on fixed incomes will just jack in their cars and buy a bike or a horse. In fact, if we're heading into an era of austerity, I dont think anyone will have any money to go forking out for road fees. It is a tax on freedom of movement, a real cunning ploy in this overcrowded island. Drivers pay enough as it is. If you charge tolls for the main roads, then people will just use narrow cross-country routes and clog up the villages (like where I live, and it’s clogged solid now). Those on fixed incomes will just jack in their cars and buy a bike or a horse. In fact, if we’re heading into an era of austerity, I dont think anyone will have any money to go forking out for road fees. It is a tax on freedom of movement, a real cunning ploy in this overcrowded island.

]]> By: Mike Stallard http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21814 Mike Stallard Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:07:20 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21814 Thank you for putting so straight! Now I think I understand your point of view. However, other countries do have toll roads. I have used them in Spain,Thailand and Dubai and they are excellent. But I take your point about not reducing the tax. And finally - the army is already being prostituted in Iraq and many other places - as mercenaries! Thank you for putting so straight! Now I think I understand your point of view.
However, other countries do have toll roads. I have used them in Spain,Thailand and Dubai and they are excellent.
But I take your point about not reducing the tax.
And finally – the army is already being prostituted in Iraq and many other places – as mercenaries!

]]> By: Lola http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21813 Lola Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:42:04 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21813 No in rinciple criticism from me for raod pricing. I am just very suspicious indeed on freedom and the state knowing too much grounds, plus more tax. We know that the 'more tax' bit can be dealt with, so how do we deal with the 'state knowing too much' bit? Answer that and you'd have a lot more takers. No in rinciple criticism from me for raod pricing. I am just very suspicious indeed on freedom and the state knowing too much grounds, plus more tax. We know that the ‘more tax’ bit can be dealt with, so how do we deal with the ‘state knowing too much’ bit? Answer that and you’d have a lot more takers.

]]> By: Freddy http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/08/30/the-sunday-times-rothschilds-story/#comment-21812 Freddy Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:47:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=4402#comment-21812 P.S. I still hate the idea, though. Charging people for something that has always been free is bad psychology. P.S. I still hate the idea, though. Charging people for something that has always been free is bad psychology.

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