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		<title>By: Steve Milesworthy</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22228</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Milesworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who frequents sceptic websites, I can understand Ed Miliband&#039;s frustration with your question, as he has probably heard it before in the context of people saying that &quot;If we can&#039;t predict the weather, how can we predict the climate?&quot;. 
 
I suppose a direct answer to your question would be that the Met Office climate model originally predicted a 1 in 7 chance of a colder than average winter, and the forecast model predicted a reasonable  likelihood of a prolonged very cold spell about 10-15 days ahead. 
 
More generally, probably the more advanced climate models will periodically demonstrate the blocking state that resulted in the cold weather we have observed. And when global temperatures are on average 3C higher in about 50-100 years time, that will hardly put a dent in the -17C observed in Devon earlier this month when the same weather phenomenon comes around again. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who frequents sceptic websites, I can understand Ed Miliband&#039;s frustration with your question, as he has probably heard it before in the context of people saying that &quot;If we can&#039;t predict the weather, how can we predict the climate?&quot;. </p>
<p>I suppose a direct answer to your question would be that the Met Office climate model originally predicted a 1 in 7 chance of a colder than average winter, and the forecast model predicted a reasonable  likelihood of a prolonged very cold spell about 10-15 days ahead. </p>
<p>More generally, probably the more advanced climate models will periodically demonstrate the blocking state that resulted in the cold weather we have observed. And when global temperatures are on average 3C higher in about 50-100 years time, that will hardly put a dent in the -17C observed in Devon earlier this month when the same weather phenomenon comes around again. </p>
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		<title>By: RG</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22227</link>
		<dc:creator>RG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Deadwood, 
 
Your claim that a single winter in one part of the world disproves global warming just proves why politicians with a &quot;please Mail/Express readers&quot; agenda before an election should just keep their mouths shut. 
 
However fed of the current government I am, its idiotic comments like this that make me unable to switch to a Tory party that is more interested in making headlines than actually looking at real issues (you really have modelled your party on New Labour!!). 
 
Reply: Your rudeness matches your ignorance. If you read what I said, I at no stage argued that one bad winter disproves the proposition that the earth may be warming up. You appear unable to consider and answer serious questions about both the trend and the cause of the trend of world climate. It would also be a courtesy if you could master my name. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Deadwood, </p>
<p>Your claim that a single winter in one part of the world disproves global warming just proves why politicians with a &quot;please Mail/Express readers&quot; agenda before an election should just keep their mouths shut. </p>
<p>However fed of the current government I am, its idiotic comments like this that make me unable to switch to a Tory party that is more interested in making headlines than actually looking at real issues (you really have modelled your party on New Labour!!). </p>
<p>Reply: Your rudeness matches your ignorance. If you read what I said, I at no stage argued that one bad winter disproves the proposition that the earth may be warming up. You appear unable to consider and answer serious questions about both the trend and the cause of the trend of world climate. It would also be a courtesy if you could master my name. </p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry this site: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry this site:<br />
  <a href="http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm</a> </p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22225</link>
		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FatBigot: &quot; as much as 0.9%?&quot; 
 
Just come across this site: 
 
//www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FatBigot: &quot; as much as 0.9%?&quot; </p>
<p>Just come across this site: </p>
<p>//www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22224</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Redwood, 
 
To claim a *regional* weather event provides proof for the non-existence of *global* warming makes you sound a lot stupider than I thought you were. 
 
Kind regards, 
Tim 
 
Reply: try reading what I write - what you have said is in your imagination. Why are you so rattled? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Redwood, </p>
<p>To claim a *regional* weather event provides proof for the non-existence of *global* warming makes you sound a lot stupider than I thought you were. </p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Tim </p>
<p>Reply: try reading what I write &#8211; what you have said is in your imagination. Why are you so rattled? </p>
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		<title>By: Simon T</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22223</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think attacking the Govt for a supposedly mistaken view on climate change is barking up the wrong tree.  More profitably to go for the woeful lack of preparedness. 
 
Actually, this cold weather DOES fit a possible model concordant with global warming, in which the UK and Western Europe have considerably harder winters due to diversion of the Gulf Stream. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think attacking the Govt for a supposedly mistaken view on climate change is barking up the wrong tree.  More profitably to go for the woeful lack of preparedness. </p>
<p>Actually, this cold weather DOES fit a possible model concordant with global warming, in which the UK and Western Europe have considerably harder winters due to diversion of the Gulf Stream. </p>
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		<title>By: severn</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22222</link>
		<dc:creator>severn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is very silly to accuse climate scientists of saying &#039;the science is settled&#039; when they are actively doing research. There would be no point in doing research if the science was settled. 
 
However, there are some things we now know, as the result of research, beyond reasonable doubt. One is that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere (as we are doing) increases the average global temperature. This is basic physics, going back to the 19th century, and has nothing to do with climate models. 
 
The other is that average global temperature is increasing. Not year on year, because of short-term variability, but decade on decade, and the last decade is the hottest ever measured with instruments and on overwhelming evidence the hottest that humans have ever experienced. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is very silly to accuse climate scientists of saying &#039;the science is settled&#039; when they are actively doing research. There would be no point in doing research if the science was settled. </p>
<p>However, there are some things we now know, as the result of research, beyond reasonable doubt. One is that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere (as we are doing) increases the average global temperature. This is basic physics, going back to the 19th century, and has nothing to do with climate models. </p>
<p>The other is that average global temperature is increasing. Not year on year, because of short-term variability, but decade on decade, and the last decade is the hottest ever measured with instruments and on overwhelming evidence the hottest that humans have ever experienced. </p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22221</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As has been said by others &#039;sooner or later weather does turn into climate, and the weather has, from the AGW point of view, been misbehaving for a decade.&#039; 
 
To continually repeat the clearly false mantra that &#039;the science is settled&#039; is thoughtless; real science is never settled, always open to question and review, this is how we progress. 
 
What is most worrying about the &#039;settled science of AGW&#039; is how its proponents brook no argument and don&#039;t hesitate to attack and insult any other view (just look at these posts). This is not how science is done and simply demonstrates how unsure of their position the AGW community feels. 
 
Me thinks they protest too much - or something like that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As has been said by others &#039;sooner or later weather does turn into climate, and the weather has, from the AGW point of view, been misbehaving for a decade.&#039; </p>
<p>To continually repeat the clearly false mantra that &#039;the science is settled&#039; is thoughtless; real science is never settled, always open to question and review, this is how we progress. </p>
<p>What is most worrying about the &#039;settled science of AGW&#039; is how its proponents brook no argument and don&#039;t hesitate to attack and insult any other view (just look at these posts). This is not how science is done and simply demonstrates how unsure of their position the AGW community feels. </p>
<p>Me thinks they protest too much &#8211; or something like that. </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Winters</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22220</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Redwood, 
 
I think your question about climate change is a good one, in my opinion. It addresses what is known about variability in the climate models - and goes beyond temperature averages. It certainly made me think, and I blogged about it here ..  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/yl3pcdr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yl3pcdr&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Redwood, </p>
<p>I think your question about climate change is a good one, in my opinion. It addresses what is known about variability in the climate models &#8211; and goes beyond temperature averages. It certainly made me think, and I blogged about it here ..  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yl3pcdr" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yl3pcdr</a> </p>
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		<title>By: severn</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/06/parliament-misses-the-mood-again/#comment-22219</link>
		<dc:creator>severn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Redwood: I&#039;m not sure that thinking of climate as &#039;average&#039; weather is very helpful. What I think may be clearer is that weather, seasons and climate are different processes happening in the same system (the atmosphere). We can think of these processes as being separate because they happen over different time and distance scales; weather over hours to days and locally, seasons over months, and climate over longer than a year and controlled on a global scale. 
 
They operate over different time and distance scales because the causal factors do so. For example, weather is largely due to masses of air of different temperatures sloshing around in the atmosphere. Climate is controlled by the radiation balance of the earth and the factors that influence it (solar input, greenhouse gases, albedo and so on). The different scales enable us to separate out these factors, rather as a radio can separate out broadcasts at different frequencies. 
 
You can imagine an analogy by thinking of standing on a harbour wall, watching the water level going up and down on the wall. Over a period of seconds the level goes up and down because of wave motions, which have typical lengths of a few metres. But if you stand there for hours, you observe that superimposed on the wave variations is another motion of the water level, called the tides. 
 
The actual local variation of the level from waves may (on a stormy day) be much greater than the variation due to the tides, but that does not stop us being able to identify two completely different processes: the waves due to such local factors as the wind, which are unpredictable, and the tides which are controlled globally and are highly predictable - the times will likely be given on a poster in the harbour. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Redwood: I&#039;m not sure that thinking of climate as &#039;average&#039; weather is very helpful. What I think may be clearer is that weather, seasons and climate are different processes happening in the same system (the atmosphere). We can think of these processes as being separate because they happen over different time and distance scales; weather over hours to days and locally, seasons over months, and climate over longer than a year and controlled on a global scale. </p>
<p>They operate over different time and distance scales because the causal factors do so. For example, weather is largely due to masses of air of different temperatures sloshing around in the atmosphere. Climate is controlled by the radiation balance of the earth and the factors that influence it (solar input, greenhouse gases, albedo and so on). The different scales enable us to separate out these factors, rather as a radio can separate out broadcasts at different frequencies. </p>
<p>You can imagine an analogy by thinking of standing on a harbour wall, watching the water level going up and down on the wall. Over a period of seconds the level goes up and down because of wave motions, which have typical lengths of a few metres. But if you stand there for hours, you observe that superimposed on the wave variations is another motion of the water level, called the tides. </p>
<p>The actual local variation of the level from waves may (on a stormy day) be much greater than the variation due to the tides, but that does not stop us being able to identify two completely different processes: the waves due to such local factors as the wind, which are unpredictable, and the tides which are controlled globally and are highly predictable &#8211; the times will likely be given on a poster in the harbour. </p>
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