Comments on: Not such a silly question?

By: eveningperson

eveningperson — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:54:38 +0000

Mr Redwood: I'd be interested to know which branches of economics you think are tested by reality. (The ones I can think of are probably not the ones you'd agree with.) Certain branches, such as the tradition of Mises and Hayek, specifically reject the notion that the fundamental truth that they claim to express can be disproved by any empirical facts.

But I hope you're not falling into the widespread blog error that climate models are somehow comparable to financial models based on analysis of time series. Climate models are based on the physical properties of matter and radiation, and do not involve such analysis.

I note that some of your commenters repeat nonsense. The 'hockey stick' has not been discredited, and has been supported by many other studies using temperature proxies unrelated to those use by Mann et al.

Newton was not superseded by Einstein – calculations of planetary motions and eclipses based on Newton's theory continued to be just as accurate after Einstein. What Einstein did was extend physical theory into ranges where Newton's laws were no longer accurate. Newton's laws are a special case of Einstein's, so just as true as they were before.

Science extends knowledge, it does not in general overthrow previous scientific knowledge (as opposed to prescientific knowledge), except on the very leading edge. It is nonsense to think of science as a body of belief that is liable to be overthrown at any time. It is an interlocking body of theory that has been drastically tested by observation.

By: Anoldun

Anoldun — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:11:55 +0000

Once upon a time the whole world was covered in three mile thick ice. When it started melting, was this the beginning of Global Warming?

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By: Polar Bear

Polar Bear — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:37:25 +0000

Julie Grace: "One thing I find odd reading northern hemisphere posts is the (maybe ethnocentric) fixation on the north pole."

Whats more, the whole of the floating North Polar ice cap could melt tomorrow and the level of the sea would not change one millimeter.

Basic physics.

By: Polar Bear

Polar Bear — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:58 +0000

Igor: ".. why would a domestic extremism unit be involved in the investigation?"

The findings can be hushed up on the pretext of 'National Security'?

By: Polar Bear

Polar Bear — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:33:00 +0000

Julie Grace: "There is still no evidence for CO2 as culprit whether the globe is warming or not."

But there may be a correlation, which might be accounted for by warmer weather / climate leading to more biological activity, leading to more CO2.

There is a suggestion that the rise in CO2 in the atmosphere actually lags temperature. Which would, in my opinion, support the idea that CO2 levels are driven by temperature rather than temperature driven by CO2.

By: Polar Bear

Polar Bear — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:29:57 +0000

Julie grace: "the bears would eat all our Emperor penguins."

Hmmm, Emperor penguins, … Yummy!

By: APL

APL — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:40:39 +0000

Number 7: "control the plebs and tax the air as well!!"

Too long ago, in my youth, there used to be a saying 'The government, they'd tax the air you breath if they could."

Well what do you know??

By: Dodgy Geezer

Dodgy Geezer — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:56:30 +0000

The Warmists' Creed.
appointed to be read at conferences

I believe in Global Warming,
which will destroy heaven and earth unless we change our ways.
I believe in Al Gore,
Who conceived the Internet
and the hockey-stick graph, born of Professor Mann.
It suffered under McIntyre and McKitrick,
was crucified, disproven, and was buried.
It was cast on the reject pile.
On the third day It rose again.
It was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science,
and is displayed in a prominent position in all IPCC literature.
It will apply again as soon as global temperatures start rising.
I believe in the CO2 tipping point,
the IPCC Assessment Reports,
a CO2 sensitivity figure of over 4 C/W,
the accuracy of GCMS,
an anthropic cause for all climate variation after 1970,
and grants everlasting.

AMEN.