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		<title>By: Free Insur</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/01/30/sovereign-debt-crisis-greece-and-the-euro/#comment-23788</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Insur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waugh. Great blog. Found it by accident when I search for euro money transfer. But belive me, I&#180;ll come back to this great blog </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waugh. Great blog. Found it by accident when I search for euro money transfer. But belive me, I&acute;ll come back to this great blog</p>
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		<title>By: credit repair connecticut</title>
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		<dc:creator>credit repair connecticut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to the webmaster for running a fabulous site!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: andrianna pantelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrianna pantelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GJWyatt is spot on about military spending being kept secret by Greece but it is more the case that Greece just signed a deal with France to purchase up to five naval warships over the next three years. That deal will generate two to three billion euros for France and up to two billion euros for german companies, each and every year for the next five years until final delivery takes place. 
 
We used to supply Greece but british companies are out. In addition the long protracted negotiations were finalised the day before  Greece received the good news that possible assistance 
to her financial problems was on the go with &#039;guess who&#039; pushing for all member states to assist. 
 
France and Germany. where or where is Private Eye. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GJWyatt is spot on about military spending being kept secret by Greece but it is more the case that Greece just signed a deal with France to purchase up to five naval warships over the next three years. That deal will generate two to three billion euros for France and up to two billion euros for german companies, each and every year for the next five years until final delivery takes place. </p>
<p>We used to supply Greece but british companies are out. In addition the long protracted negotiations were finalised the day before  Greece received the good news that possible assistance<br />
to her financial problems was on the go with &#039;guess who&#039; pushing for all member states to assist. </p>
<p>France and Germany. where or where is Private Eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward C D Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward C D Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPTION 6  WAS NEVER MENTIONED - aeg-INDEX-LINKED DEBT IS COST FREE FOR GOVERNMENTS 
 
What about option 6? You never mentioned that. 
 
The answer lies in recognising that what we all think we know the word &#039;inflation&#039; means is not the whole picture. 
 
If you would care to ask me for further information I will explain exactly why, by replacing all government debt with earnings-linked debt, including that of the UK and every other nation (if they so wish) a government can cut the cost of repayments dramatically whilst at the same time protecting pretty well everyone and everything. 
 
The first point to note is this: if debt is index-linked to Average earnings Growth, or to GDPgrowth, it is also linked to the governement&#039;s ability to pay: the tax revenue growth rate, at least over a period. In this sense it is cost free. It is just as easy / hard to repay in a year or ten or in a hundred years as it is now. But an agreed term can be set. 
 
If the government sells these bonds to pension funds and other institutions and makes them qualify for reserve assets, it takes the gamble out of buying government stock and so the demand will be significant and the price tag cheap. 
 
The price tag will also be cheap if the risk of default falls dramatically as it would: actual payment of interest of as little as 1% p.a. would suffice to attract most institutions in the days of stable economies and responsible governments, perhaps a little more nowadays. 
 
Compared to the 7% or more tht Greece is understood to be paying (I quote from the current edition of the Economist): 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood&amp;sa_campaign=publisher/jan10/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood&amp;sa_...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
where the analysis of the situation is significantly worse than John&#039;s, 
 
this is entirely sustainable. With government debt, on  maturity a replacement bond can be issued, so the rate of capital repayment can be whatever is comfotable from time to time, with the government buying back its own debt at any affordable rate. 
 
If the government wishes to repay in a set period then it can, and an affordable schedule can be calculated with ease. 
 
Now this is what the world really needs right now so that we can restore confidence and not cut back too much on spending and jobs, whereupon the recovery can continue as before. 
 
For further information on these and other far reaching researches that I have done, write to me and ask for a copy of my draf book - I am being assisted in writing this by some pretty prominent and capable people. And I have a past reputation to envy all of my own anyway. 
 
THank you 
edward.ingram2009@googlemail.com </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPTION 6  WAS NEVER MENTIONED &#8211; aeg-INDEX-LINKED DEBT IS COST FREE FOR GOVERNMENTS </p>
<p>What about option 6? You never mentioned that. </p>
<p>The answer lies in recognising that what we all think we know the word &#039;inflation&#039; means is not the whole picture. </p>
<p>If you would care to ask me for further information I will explain exactly why, by replacing all government debt with earnings-linked debt, including that of the UK and every other nation (if they so wish) a government can cut the cost of repayments dramatically whilst at the same time protecting pretty well everyone and everything. </p>
<p>The first point to note is this: if debt is index-linked to Average earnings Growth, or to GDPgrowth, it is also linked to the governement&#039;s ability to pay: the tax revenue growth rate, at least over a period. In this sense it is cost free. It is just as easy / hard to repay in a year or ten or in a hundred years as it is now. But an agreed term can be set. </p>
<p>If the government sells these bonds to pension funds and other institutions and makes them qualify for reserve assets, it takes the gamble out of buying government stock and so the demand will be significant and the price tag cheap. </p>
<p>The price tag will also be cheap if the risk of default falls dramatically as it would: actual payment of interest of as little as 1% p.a. would suffice to attract most institutions in the days of stable economies and responsible governments, perhaps a little more nowadays. </p>
<p>Compared to the 7% or more tht Greece is understood to be paying (I quote from the current edition of the Economist):<br />
  <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood&amp;sa_campaign=publisher/jan10/" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood&#038;sa_&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>where the analysis of the situation is significantly worse than John&#039;s, </p>
<p>this is entirely sustainable. With government debt, on  maturity a replacement bond can be issued, so the rate of capital repayment can be whatever is comfotable from time to time, with the government buying back its own debt at any affordable rate. </p>
<p>If the government wishes to repay in a set period then it can, and an affordable schedule can be calculated with ease. </p>
<p>Now this is what the world really needs right now so that we can restore confidence and not cut back too much on spending and jobs, whereupon the recovery can continue as before. </p>
<p>For further information on these and other far reaching researches that I have done, write to me and ask for a copy of my draf book &#8211; I am being assisted in writing this by some pretty prominent and capable people. And I have a past reputation to envy all of my own anyway. </p>
<p>THank you<br />
<a href="mailto:edward.ingram2009@googlemail.com">edward.ingram2009@googlemail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Euro Crisis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euro Crisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price level in Greece is too high and wages most go down on the international level, while the budget cuts needed for these countries to remain solvent during a deflationary depression enforced on them by Germany via the Euro are so staggering that no modern democracy will be able to handle. As the riots in Greece have shown, any government in the world that will try to make public spending cuts in double digit percentage points will not survive. Not to talk about the fact that will need to lower the minimum wage during a depression, an action never done by any government.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://israelfinancialexpert.blogspot.com/2010/01/euro-crisis-budget-cuts-are-doomed-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://israelfinancialexpert.blogspot.com/2010/01...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price level in Greece is too high and wages most go down on the international level, while the budget cuts needed for these countries to remain solvent during a deflationary depression enforced on them by Germany via the Euro are so staggering that no modern democracy will be able to handle. As the riots in Greece have shown, any government in the world that will try to make public spending cuts in double digit percentage points will not survive. Not to talk about the fact that will need to lower the minimum wage during a depression, an action never done by any government.  <a href="http://israelfinancialexpert.blogspot.com/2010/01/euro-crisis-budget-cuts-are-doomed-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://israelfinancialexpert.blogspot.com/2010/01&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greece should print its own money instead of borrowing it. </description>
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		<title>By: Lindsay McDougall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay McDougall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Germans will make a strong and sustained attempt to force the rules of the Euro club onto Greece. They simply can not afford not to. If they bail Greece out, the floodgates will open. 
 
The Germans did not help themselves by breaking the rules themselves a few years ago. France did too and neither was punished by the EU, whereas when Portugal transgressed it was fined. That&#039;s the dear old EU for you. One rule for the Franco-German axis, another for everybody else. 
 
Given recent announcements by the Greek government, we must expect Greece to attempt to wriggle out of their obligations. They will do so for a long time. In extremis, they might default on some of their debt or print more of their own Euros (Where are the Euro printing presses? Who checks on the quantity of notes and coins produced by each Member State?). 
 
Whatever happens, we may expect a long period of unpleasantness and an attempt to get the UK to contribute. In case Gordon Brown has forgotton it, the word is &#039;No&#039;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Germans will make a strong and sustained attempt to force the rules of the Euro club onto Greece. They simply can not afford not to. If they bail Greece out, the floodgates will open. </p>
<p>The Germans did not help themselves by breaking the rules themselves a few years ago. France did too and neither was punished by the EU, whereas when Portugal transgressed it was fined. That&#039;s the dear old EU for you. One rule for the Franco-German axis, another for everybody else. </p>
<p>Given recent announcements by the Greek government, we must expect Greece to attempt to wriggle out of their obligations. They will do so for a long time. In extremis, they might default on some of their debt or print more of their own Euros (Where are the Euro printing presses? Who checks on the quantity of notes and coins produced by each Member State?). </p>
<p>Whatever happens, we may expect a long period of unpleasantness and an attempt to get the UK to contribute. In case Gordon Brown has forgotton it, the word is &#039;No&#039;.</p>
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		<title>By: TCD</title>
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		<dc:creator>TCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does indeed look very likely as it only needs a qualified majority vote of Council. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does indeed look very likely as it only needs a qualified majority vote of Council.</p>
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		<title>By: james harries</title>
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		<dc:creator>james harries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Stuart, the dollas IS a good example of a successful currency union. So is the pound (once we&#039;d got that little Scottish difficulty of the Darien fiasco sorted). They even had a successful currency union in Greece once. A silver mine was fortunately discovered on Athenian soil just as the Persians invaded. 
 
But you are also right to say that it needs a crisis or a sense of (boo! hiss!) nationhood to make it stick. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Stuart, the dollas IS a good example of a successful currency union. So is the pound (once we&#039;d got that little Scottish difficulty of the Darien fiasco sorted). They even had a successful currency union in Greece once. A silver mine was fortunately discovered on Athenian soil just as the Persians invaded. </p>
<p>But you are also right to say that it needs a crisis or a sense of (boo! hiss!) nationhood to make it stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really. Why? Turkeys don&#039;t vote for Christmas. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really. Why? Turkeys don&#039;t vote for Christmas.</p>
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