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		<title>By: Erik Retallick</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24268</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Retallick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many things in society that seem to have improved over the last 100 years or so, medical and technological advancements being 2 particular examples. However, the feel-good factor for many doesn&#039;t seem to be there, and many of us tend to be pessimists rather than optimists, seeing the glass half empty rather than half full. I tend temperamentally towards pessimism and see that there is an onward decline in moral standards, particularly in justice towards one&#039;s neighbour, especially in business ethics. I experience it on an almost daily basis first-hand. It all seems to be to do with what you can get away with on a moral or legal level, the &#039;good&#039; example having been set by our leaders (MP&#039;s, previous Government and Bankers in particular). This feature is inviting others to join in discussion about how they see things and what they would like to see improved. Personally, I would like to see a return to Judaic-Christian ethics, a good starting place perhaps being the 10 command 
 
Society seems to have been going downhill in the west, ever since the sixties. Drug use is out of control and moral standards are slipping. So, what is the matter with society? 
For many years, we have followed the traditions passed down to us by society, and for many years, they seemed to serve us well. But, in the last few decades, tradition has been cast off in society, in a way not seen at any other time history. 
In the sixties the hippy movement made a big statement, that it was alright to just do whatever you wanted and not care about the consequences unless you were directly hurtingsomebody. Then, by the time the seventies happened, punks were of the philosophy that you could do whatever you wanted in a society even if you were hurting somebody. 
Now sure, there have always been people like that through the history of society, like thugs and criminals, pirates and vikings, but we are talking about a major shift in the thinking of the majority of people&#039;s minds in that generation. 
Times have been harder in history before surely, and society as a whole have been tougher and crueler at different times, but society has never beenall packed in together, by the millions. 
The simple number of people in society today, who show such anti social thinking, hatred and violent behavior, coupled with the higher standard of education and technology today, could lead to one of these psychotic men or women not just shooting up a mall, but destroying all life on Earth. 
Sound unlikely? There are many weapons of mass destruction that if unleashed in the right way could destroy us all. Terrorists and governments are experimenting with these biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, for intended use in warfare, all over the world. 
This is the first time in the history of society where someone with a strong enough will and lots of money could actually destroy us all, even by accident. Now I know that&#039;s being slightly alarmist, but nevertheless, it has been a growing possibility since world war two. When world war three happens, it may not be a war at all, but a mass extinction. (Plug for a site removed ed) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many things in society that seem to have improved over the last 100 years or so, medical and technological advancements being 2 particular examples. However, the feel-good factor for many doesn&#039;t seem to be there, and many of us tend to be pessimists rather than optimists, seeing the glass half empty rather than half full. I tend temperamentally towards pessimism and see that there is an onward decline in moral standards, particularly in justice towards one&#039;s neighbour, especially in business ethics. I experience it on an almost daily basis first-hand. It all seems to be to do with what you can get away with on a moral or legal level, the &#039;good&#039; example having been set by our leaders (MP&#039;s, previous Government and Bankers in particular). This feature is inviting others to join in discussion about how they see things and what they would like to see improved. Personally, I would like to see a return to Judaic-Christian ethics, a good starting place perhaps being the 10 command </p>
<p>Society seems to have been going downhill in the west, ever since the sixties. Drug use is out of control and moral standards are slipping. So, what is the matter with society?<br />
For many years, we have followed the traditions passed down to us by society, and for many years, they seemed to serve us well. But, in the last few decades, tradition has been cast off in society, in a way not seen at any other time history.<br />
In the sixties the hippy movement made a big statement, that it was alright to just do whatever you wanted and not care about the consequences unless you were directly hurtingsomebody. Then, by the time the seventies happened, punks were of the philosophy that you could do whatever you wanted in a society even if you were hurting somebody.<br />
Now sure, there have always been people like that through the history of society, like thugs and criminals, pirates and vikings, but we are talking about a major shift in the thinking of the majority of people&#039;s minds in that generation.<br />
Times have been harder in history before surely, and society as a whole have been tougher and crueler at different times, but society has never beenall packed in together, by the millions.<br />
The simple number of people in society today, who show such anti social thinking, hatred and violent behavior, coupled with the higher standard of education and technology today, could lead to one of these psychotic men or women not just shooting up a mall, but destroying all life on Earth.<br />
Sound unlikely? There are many weapons of mass destruction that if unleashed in the right way could destroy us all. Terrorists and governments are experimenting with these biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, for intended use in warfare, all over the world.<br />
This is the first time in the history of society where someone with a strong enough will and lots of money could actually destroy us all, even by accident. Now I know that&#039;s being slightly alarmist, but nevertheless, it has been a growing possibility since world war two. When world war three happens, it may not be a war at all, but a mass extinction. (Plug for a site removed ed) </p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wheatley</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24267</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wheatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that when it comes to other people, in your private life or in business or as public figures, you have to start from a position of believing them to be honest. The extent to which you are prepared to continue that belief as an assumption without evidence depends on the significance of them to you.

If you discover that a person has behaved dishonestly in one respect you would be unwise to assume that you can rely on them acting honestly in every other respect. That is why &quot;public figure cheats on spouse&quot; and the like is a matter of public interest.

A public figure having affair with knowledge of spouse (acquiescence, even!) is a different matter. It is not a question of dishonesty, and you can make up your own mind as to the morality and fairness of the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that when it comes to other people, in your private life or in business or as public figures, you have to start from a position of believing them to be honest. The extent to which you are prepared to continue that belief as an assumption without evidence depends on the significance of them to you.</p>
<p>If you discover that a person has behaved dishonestly in one respect you would be unwise to assume that you can rely on them acting honestly in every other respect. That is why &#8220;public figure cheats on spouse&#8221; and the like is a matter of public interest.</p>
<p>A public figure having affair with knowledge of spouse (acquiescence, even!) is a different matter. It is not a question of dishonesty, and you can make up your own mind as to the morality and fairness of the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: mhayworth</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24266</link>
		<dc:creator>mhayworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the public wants to see highly paid public figures behaving more like role models. 
 
These Tory politicians dare to talk about a return to family values and decency while cheating on their own expenses, supporting  bankers who gamble with our tax money, supporting Royals who openly cheat on their husbands/wives, supporting the perversion of foxhunters so they can return to terrifying and killing animals - the list is endless. 
 
Time to vote for the parties who have not brought this country to ruin over the past 30 years.   End the three party reign of error! 
 
Campaign For Decency </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the public wants to see highly paid public figures behaving more like role models. </p>
<p>These Tory politicians dare to talk about a return to family values and decency while cheating on their own expenses, supporting  bankers who gamble with our tax money, supporting Royals who openly cheat on their husbands/wives, supporting the perversion of foxhunters so they can return to terrifying and killing animals &#8211; the list is endless. </p>
<p>Time to vote for the parties who have not brought this country to ruin over the past 30 years.   End the three party reign of error! </p>
<p>Campaign For Decency </p>
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		<title>By: Javelin</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24265</link>
		<dc:creator>Javelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devils Kitchen said there were absolute standards - called the law. That is true but the consequences are truely miserable. 
 
First cultural relativism basically says that if its OK under the law then it&#039;s OK. The problem with this view is that it is Platonic in nature. That is, it relies on (1) the law functioning all the time and everywhere and (2) the law is an appropriate monitor and response (3) all things that effect our lives negatively should be legislated against. 
 
Of course if you believe the law should divide wrong from right, acceptable from not acceptable then welcome to 1984. 
 
Personally I would prefer a world with cultural morals. 
 
Civilization (whether you believe in society or evolutionary biology) is the triumph of human kind being intelligent self regulating individuals. Once you start to rely on the state making it illegal to behave in negative ways then you are well down the road to absolute dictatorship. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devils Kitchen said there were absolute standards &#8211; called the law. That is true but the consequences are truely miserable. </p>
<p>First cultural relativism basically says that if its OK under the law then it&#039;s OK. The problem with this view is that it is Platonic in nature. That is, it relies on (1) the law functioning all the time and everywhere and (2) the law is an appropriate monitor and response (3) all things that effect our lives negatively should be legislated against. </p>
<p>Of course if you believe the law should divide wrong from right, acceptable from not acceptable then welcome to 1984. </p>
<p>Personally I would prefer a world with cultural morals. </p>
<p>Civilization (whether you believe in society or evolutionary biology) is the triumph of human kind being intelligent self regulating individuals. Once you start to rely on the state making it illegal to behave in negative ways then you are well down the road to absolute dictatorship. </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Paterson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a matter for Capello and no one else. Only he knows the dynamic within the camp. And Capello hath spoke. There&#039;s potentially all sorts of other Terry-related bad juju in the pipeline, I reckon he decided that&#039;s the last thing he and England need while preparing for the finals. As ever, he acted decisively and quickly (once returned to these shores) - this should be a comfort to all England fans. A little less whinging and hand-wringing required, I feel: leave it to Fabio! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s a matter for Capello and no one else. Only he knows the dynamic within the camp. And Capello hath spoke. There&#039;s potentially all sorts of other Terry-related bad juju in the pipeline, I reckon he decided that&#039;s the last thing he and England need while preparing for the finals. As ever, he acted decisively and quickly (once returned to these shores) &#8211; this should be a comfort to all England fans. A little less whinging and hand-wringing required, I feel: leave it to Fabio! </p>
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		<title>By: NigelC</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24263</link>
		<dc:creator>NigelC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Browne, ex leader of BP one of the UK&#039;s largest companies, has admitted he lied about his private life (Today programme this morning). He has been elevated to the Lords. This is (wrong-ed) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Browne, ex leader of BP one of the UK&#039;s largest companies, has admitted he lied about his private life (Today programme this morning). He has been elevated to the Lords. This is (wrong-ed) </p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24262</link>
		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR: &quot;There are three strong camps in the debate over whether John Terry had to resign as England&#8217;s soccer captain. &quot; 
 
Football is an irrevelance. 
 
JR: &quot;Should a clergyman lead by example and always behave honestly and decently?&quot; 
 
Yes, he is supossedly trying to teach a moral message, that includes honesty and decency. 
 
JR: &quot;What should we expect of our political leaders?&quot; 
 
A good start would be an ability to keep their fingers out of the public till. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR: &quot;There are three strong camps in the debate over whether John Terry had to resign as England&rsquo;s soccer captain. &quot; </p>
<p>Football is an irrevelance. </p>
<p>JR: &quot;Should a clergyman lead by example and always behave honestly and decently?&quot; </p>
<p>Yes, he is supossedly trying to teach a moral message, that includes honesty and decency. </p>
<p>JR: &quot;What should we expect of our political leaders?&quot; </p>
<p>A good start would be an ability to keep their fingers out of the public till. </p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24261</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know the &quot;right&quot; answer to this &amp; suspect there isn&#039;t one.  However in the particular case of a clergyman whose entire living is made on the basis of claiming a higher morality &amp; link with the Creator he is clearly disqualified if he doesn&#039;t achieve it. Politicians occupy an intermediate situation claiming to both competent management &amp; to be moral arbiters for society. Traditionally the Conservatives have claimed more economic competence &amp; Labour more to be a crusade, whether accurately or not. While that was the case Labour ministers could rightly be castigated for sending their children to private schools where tories couldn&#039;t. The anti-sleaze campaign that did for the last Tory government followed John Major&#039;s ill advised &quot;Victorian values&quot; words. Neither Churchill nor LLoyd George could have survived today&#039;s media which would have lost us 2 world wars. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know the &quot;right&quot; answer to this &amp; suspect there isn&#039;t one.  However in the particular case of a clergyman whose entire living is made on the basis of claiming a higher morality &amp; link with the Creator he is clearly disqualified if he doesn&#039;t achieve it. Politicians occupy an intermediate situation claiming to both competent management &amp; to be moral arbiters for society. Traditionally the Conservatives have claimed more economic competence &amp; Labour more to be a crusade, whether accurately or not. While that was the case Labour ministers could rightly be castigated for sending their children to private schools where tories couldn&#039;t. The anti-sleaze campaign that did for the last Tory government followed John Major&#039;s ill advised &quot;Victorian values&quot; words. Neither Churchill nor LLoyd George could have survived today&#039;s media which would have lost us 2 world wars. </p>
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		<title>By: waramess</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/07/what-do-we-expect-of-public-figures/#comment-24260</link>
		<dc:creator>waramess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame on you Pat for such a sexist thought. Girlfriends are thinking people with a choice and they elect to change partners out of choice. </description>
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		<title>By: waramess</title>
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		<dc:creator>waramess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely. The witchunt is still a sport favoured by many </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely. The witchunt is still a sport favoured by many </p>
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