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		<title>By: Steve Hemingway</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/10/speculators-and-socialist-morality/#comment-24473</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hemingway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how politicians hate speculators and hedge funds even though without them the bad lending practices at our now-state-owned banks would have gone on for longer, possibly much longer, with even worse consequences. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s funny how politicians hate speculators and hedge funds even though without them the bad lending practices at our now-state-owned banks would have gone on for longer, possibly much longer, with even worse consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/10/speculators-and-socialist-morality/#comment-24472</link>
		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lola 
Agreed, his blog makes interesting reading. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lola<br />
Agreed, his blog makes interesting reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/10/speculators-and-socialist-morality/#comment-24471</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank Field? </description>
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		<title>By: Y Rhyfelwr Dewr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y Rhyfelwr Dewr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, everybody &lt;i&gt;knew&lt;/i&gt; it was fiction, and the Italians&#039;, and the Spaniards&#039; -- it was no secret, but the powers behind the Euro wanted a many nations to join as possible.  Nor did they want to acknowledge any possibility of the Euro failing, so no effective means was developed to prevent the P.I.G.S. (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain) behaving like alcoholics with a credit card. 
 
And now the begging bowl will be passed around, with Britain -- despite not being a memebr of the Euro -- expected to cough up a good portion just to show what a good European it is.  Gordon Clown will probably agree, if only to make life more difficult for his replacement. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, everybody <i>knew</i> it was fiction, and the Italians&#039;, and the Spaniards&#039; &#8212; it was no secret, but the powers behind the Euro wanted a many nations to join as possible.  Nor did they want to acknowledge any possibility of the Euro failing, so no effective means was developed to prevent the P.I.G.S. (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain) behaving like alcoholics with a credit card. </p>
<p>And now the begging bowl will be passed around, with Britain &#8212; despite not being a memebr of the Euro &#8212; expected to cough up a good portion just to show what a good European it is.  Gordon Clown will probably agree, if only to make life more difficult for his replacement.</p>
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		<title>By: Eotvos</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/10/speculators-and-socialist-morality/#comment-24469</link>
		<dc:creator>Eotvos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socialists don&#039;t have any morality.  They are misanthropes, liars and wasters. 
 
There is not one decent, honest person in the Labour Party. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialists don&#039;t have any morality.  They are misanthropes, liars and wasters. </p>
<p>There is not one decent, honest person in the Labour Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of your income, and indeed your savings, have been raided, but it was to subsidise profligate bankers, not Greeks. The devaluation of the pound, necessary to rescue the banks, has lessened the value of your income and your savings. That would not have happened if we had been in the euro. 
 
To the extent that the Greek Treasury may hold UK bonds (I don&#039;t know if it does) the Greek taxpayers have subsidised us. 
 
A difference between being in the euro or not is that different people pay for the profligacy of governments and bankers. In the euro those who borrowed money have to repay it; outside the euro those who saved are forced to pay, by having their savings devalued. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of your income, and indeed your savings, have been raided, but it was to subsidise profligate bankers, not Greeks. The devaluation of the pound, necessary to rescue the banks, has lessened the value of your income and your savings. That would not have happened if we had been in the euro. </p>
<p>To the extent that the Greek Treasury may hold UK bonds (I don&#039;t know if it does) the Greek taxpayers have subsidised us. </p>
<p>A difference between being in the euro or not is that different people pay for the profligacy of governments and bankers. In the euro those who borrowed money have to repay it; outside the euro those who saved are forced to pay, by having their savings devalued.</p>
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		<title>By: Confessions of a Mortgage Broker &#124; MortgagePrep.info</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/10/speculators-and-socialist-morality/#comment-24467</link>
		<dc:creator>Confessions of a Mortgage Broker &#124; MortgagePrep.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: THE ESSEX BOYS</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE ESSEX BOYS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been away did we miss something as one of us read that JR is now advising DC on policy? 
 
Jolly good move at long last if so but is this a new &#039;appointment&#039; John? 
 
Reply: No new appointment. Mr Letwin is Mr Cameron&#039;s policy adviser. I give Mr C and Mr O my thoughts on the economy from time to time in my capacity as Chairman of the Economic Policy review. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been away did we miss something as one of us read that JR is now advising DC on policy? </p>
<p>Jolly good move at long last if so but is this a new &#039;appointment&#039; John? </p>
<p>Reply: No new appointment. Mr Letwin is Mr Cameron&#039;s policy adviser. I give Mr C and Mr O my thoughts on the economy from time to time in my capacity as Chairman of the Economic Policy review.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timeo Danaos debita ferentes. 
 
Brussels wants to mastermind the bailout. van Rompuy and Barroso have been champing at the bit, claiming they have rights of direct rule under Lisbon according to reports from Ambrose Evans Pritchard.  The Greeks have been revolting or striking depending on your point of view and opinion of them - some of them directly castigating the EU and the Greek government supposedly taking orders from Brussels. 
 
A silver lining is that maybe we won&#039;t be supplying funds under a G20 bailout if the EU insists on not letting others like the IMF get involved.  A second silver lining is that the EU is being shown up for what it is: incapable of enforcing its stability pact budget rules in any way other than attempting direct rule.  If they think they&#039;re going to attempt that across all the PIGlets they might be in for a rude awakening.  The Euro project now seems a step too far too soon. 
 
In the mean time, the Germans and ECB have been told &quot;Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to bail out the EU: the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.  Otherwise, the EU will self destruct in five years.&quot; 
 
The only thing is a re-write of this tragi-comedy will be playing at a cinema near you soon enough. 
 
I note Mervyn King has called CML&#039;s bluff and told them they must repay the special liquidity facility on time.  That&#039;s &#163;300bn of mortgage sweat.  Still, as expected he is admitting QE may restart.  Trying to be a net seller of gilts in a market running the risk of a chain of sovereign default can&#039;t be the easiest job in the world.  Rolling over in excess of &#163;50bn of treasury bills every few months must also start looking dangerous - the amount has more than doubled since the bubble burst. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timeo Danaos debita ferentes. </p>
<p>Brussels wants to mastermind the bailout. van Rompuy and Barroso have been champing at the bit, claiming they have rights of direct rule under Lisbon according to reports from Ambrose Evans Pritchard.  The Greeks have been revolting or striking depending on your point of view and opinion of them &#8211; some of them directly castigating the EU and the Greek government supposedly taking orders from Brussels. </p>
<p>A silver lining is that maybe we won&#039;t be supplying funds under a G20 bailout if the EU insists on not letting others like the IMF get involved.  A second silver lining is that the EU is being shown up for what it is: incapable of enforcing its stability pact budget rules in any way other than attempting direct rule.  If they think they&#039;re going to attempt that across all the PIGlets they might be in for a rude awakening.  The Euro project now seems a step too far too soon. </p>
<p>In the mean time, the Germans and ECB have been told &quot;Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to bail out the EU: the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.  Otherwise, the EU will self destruct in five years.&quot; </p>
<p>The only thing is a re-write of this tragi-comedy will be playing at a cinema near you soon enough. </p>
<p>I note Mervyn King has called CML&#039;s bluff and told them they must repay the special liquidity facility on time.  That&#039;s &pound;300bn of mortgage sweat.  Still, as expected he is admitting QE may restart.  Trying to be a net seller of gilts in a market running the risk of a chain of sovereign default can&#039;t be the easiest job in the world.  Rolling over in excess of &pound;50bn of treasury bills every few months must also start looking dangerous &#8211; the amount has more than doubled since the bubble burst.</p>
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		<title>By: james harries</title>
		<link>http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/02/10/speculators-and-socialist-morality/#comment-24464</link>
		<dc:creator>james harries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s in it for the Germans? Many might have been looking forward to a cheaper holiday this year, if Greece reinvents the drachma and devalues. Instead, they&#039;re expected to shell out to keep some bureaucrats and tax evaders in the manner to which they have become accustomed. 
If I was a German taxpayer, I would be mad as hell. But I&#039;m not, and am awaiting with interest the abolition of moral hazard in the Euro zone. 
Speculators will love this one. The EU is just about to offer a sure bet! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#039;s in it for the Germans? Many might have been looking forward to a cheaper holiday this year, if Greece reinvents the drachma and devalues. Instead, they&#039;re expected to shell out to keep some bureaucrats and tax evaders in the manner to which they have become accustomed.<br />
If I was a German taxpayer, I would be mad as hell. But I&#039;m not, and am awaiting with interest the abolition of moral hazard in the Euro zone.<br />
Speculators will love this one. The EU is just about to offer a sure bet!</p>
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