Why the Euro was bound to be trouble

        In 2001 I published “Just Say No:  100 arguments against the Euro”. It is timely to revisit some of  them, to see why the Euro is causing such trouble to economies like Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain.

         I pointed out that the Euro was an “Exhange Rate Mechanism you could not get out of”. As so many countries had found it difficult to sustain their currency levels against the DM in the ERM, why did anyone think they could do so from within a single currency? It was locking the door and throwing the key away. That could prove painful if the building caught fire.  The two central arguments were “You cannot make currencies behave in line unless you first bring the economies in line” and “History shows that rigged exchange rates do not work”. Economies would find it more painful to make the adjustments they needed to make against each other if the exchange rates no longer took most of the strain.

               In the chapter on their failure to create a single economic policy that could work for the whole currency zone, I explained that there isn’t one interest rate that is right for Manchester and Marseilles, nor is there one exchange rate that is right for Lisbon and London. “You cannot have a single economic policy without a single budget”. “There will be endless disagreements about how much European government should  spend and where.” “The poorer and richer regions are different. The poorer ones will lose out”. “There is no single political system to take decisions and explain them to electors”.

               I forecast  that there would be pressure to increase taxes, to “harmonise them” in an upwards direction.

               The main analogy I used said that joining a single currency was like sharing a bank account with the neighbours. More people are now beginning to see the force of that comparison. The richer and more prudent neighbours are now being asked to subsidise the overdraft of the poorer or more spendthrift, because they do share a bank account at the European Central Bank.

              Having helped keep the UK out of the Euro by arguing the case and setting out in detail the costs, risks and problems, I see no reason why the UK should now be expected to pick up some of the bills for the predictable stresses within the scheme. If you want a successful single currency first create a successful single country. The Euroland members do need more central economic management and control, but none of that should apply to the UK.  The Euro has for a decade been a single currency in search of a country to love it. The Euro needs a country called Europe if it is to succeed. The Uk should not  be part of that centralising venture.

You can make a crisis out of a problem.

Just as I feared and forecast, the second phase of the Euro crisis has hit us.  The first phase saw Greece at the centre of the storm. It ended with the announcement of a bail out for Greece, and the provision of general facilities in case any other country got into difficulties. The authorities told us that would end the crisis. Up to a trillion euros were available as loans, guarantees and cash so that would take care of any member state getting into more trouble.
 
         So why didn’t the bail outs work last time? The Greek bond market was not very impressed. Investors wanted to see evidence that the Greek budget deficit was coming down. They seek honest figures showing progress. They wished to see how the Greek economy would recover and grow, as some growth is essential to getting the deficit down more rapidly. Disappointment soon set in, and Greek bond yields have remained very high.
 
         Ireland was  making progress in cutting spending to cut its government deficit. Meanwhile the European Central Bank was quietly making facilities available to various EU banks, including Irish ones, as a Central Bank should at times of difficulty. The German Chancellor decided to float the idea that bondholders who had lent money to Euroland economies under pressure should have to share some of  the costs of sorting out the problem.  She mused that “haircuts” or reductions in interest and capital repayments might be an appropriate way to share the pain of adjustment. This was bound to force up the price of borrowing for the Irish government  and force down Irish government bond prices. Later a partial retraction was issued, saying the haircuts might only apply to future bonds and not to money already lent.
 
        The EU let it be known that they thought Ireland should borrow money under one or more of the facilities on offer given the high cost of direct borrowing and the large borrowing needs. The official Irish position said they did not need to. It was then slipped into the media that the European Central Bank might wish to reduce its support for EU banks, at a time when   Irish banks  might   lose deposits and be in need of extra liquidity. Finally on Thursday it emerged  the Irish government would accept financial help for its banks.
 
           All of the public briefing and comment made the problem worse. Days of negotiation, proposal and denial led to a further loss of confidence in Ireland and its banking system. A Central Bank is  the lender of last resort to ensure sufficient liquidity so no-one need worry about getting their cash back from any bank in the system. The European Central Bank has been performing that role and should continue to do so. The banks should be regulated strongly to ensure they are solvent at all times, that their  total assets exceeed their liabilities. If they have a sudden large withdrawal of money the Central Bank supplies the cash so they can meet it. The bank then should sell as many assets as needed to repay the Central Bank to an agreed timetable which is best kept private.
 
           The European Central Bank appears to want unnamed Irish banks to raise more capital or have access to facilities outside the ECB. This of course involves the Irish Central Bank and government. The sooner they work out their respective responsibilities, the sums involved and issue a detailed package to the markets the better. They have talked themselves into a serious problem, and now need to dig themselves out by their deeds. 
 
          Will this second bail out work, when the first did not last for long? That will depend on what they do and say next.   Now  we want to see the colour of the money, to find out who is paying the bills, and to assess whether it will then work. The truth is arranging facilities is only part of the answer. The Irish government has to continue its work of cutting spending and boosting revenues to cut its own borrowing needs. The Irish banks have to continue selling assets, finding more profitable business and restricting their risks and balance sheet size in the meanwhile. The markets will judge them by results.

Th UK cannot afford to help bail out Ireland

 

         On June 22nd 2010 the new government rightly said they needed to take faster and stronger action to cut the deficit. They proposed  additional state  borrowing to  a total of £461 billion in the five years 2010-2015. This, believe it or not, was a substantial  reduction in the old plans. This was still more than total government borrowing in 1997.

          The spending review of October added £ 8.6 billion to this figure, by increasing capital spending above the June levels, and above the levels inherited from the previous government. If the government now adds another £7 billion of spending to assist Ireland, that means it has added £15.6 billion to spending and borrowing  for the five years within just five months.

           The government needs to observe rigorous spending control in relation to the totals it published last June. The public will find it difficult to understand why certain items are being cut that matter to them, if at the same time the money being spent on EU contributions and  Euro support keeps soaring.

          The argument for the Irish bail out comes from the EU, not from Ireland. Ireland has neither asked the EU nor the UK for a loan. The talks now underway are to persuade the Irish government that it needs to borrow more to deal with the “crisis” in the bond markets which foolish talk by some has created in recent days.

           Two arguments are used. The first is the Irish governemnt will need to borrow more to sustain its own finances. Now that the markets say it will have to pay more than 8% for ten year money, the EU argues  it needs to borrow some money at a lower rate from the rest of the EU/UK to avoid its interest bill getting too high. It is also thought for some unknown reason that borrowing more from the EU will restore bond market confidence. They thought the same about Greece when Greece did apply for EU help, but there is little sign this theory proved correct in that case, as Greek bond yields have remained very high. Indeed, Greece still has to pay the markets more interest for each new  Euro borrowed than Ireland does.

            The truth is each country has to reduce its own deficit in its own best way. Ireland has been bravely trying various methods to do so, and is planning  a new budget. Sensible people from the EU would encourage Ireland to produce a convincing new budget. If Ireland wishes EU officials would be working with Ireland in private to ensure the new budget does the job. Markets will be impressed by seeing the deficit figures coming down in a convincing way. That  will lower rates.

               The second is the argument  that Ireland’s banks need recapitalising, and the EU/UK should help do that. This is strange. The ECB, the EU Regulators and the Irish authorities have been happy with the capital and cash arrangements of the Irish banks and have allowed them to carry on trading. If the Irish banks need extra liquidity that is the job of their Central Bank, the ECB,  to supply it. There is no need or  hurry to run down the general special financial facilities  the ECB has made available for EU banks if that is going to cause new strains. If the Regulators want the Irish banks to have more capital relative to their loan books, then they can work away in private with those banks. Some combination of selling off loans, selling other assets, cutting costs, writing more profitable business and selling companies and businesses from within the banking groups could cut the risks and raise the ratios.

           It is the height of folly to encourage so much speculation about the state of these banks, and to suggest in public that the financing arrangements have to be changed. That is destabilising conduct of the kind that turned a serious problem into a crisis during the peak of the Credit Crunch.If the authorities by public comment trigger withdrawal of too many deposits the ECB simply has to supply more cash to meet the depositor demands, and then has to help with a more rapid run down of the banks’ balance sheets than would otherwise be necessary. Why do modern regulators want to do so much in public, in a way which can  damage confidence in the institutions they are meant to be regulating?

        The fact that RBS and other UK banks have substantial loan books in Ireland is no reason to force UK taxpayers into helping recapitalise Irish banks. The Irish loans of the UK banks will continue regardless, and doubtless they have already made provision against possible losses on this portfolio. If they think they need to make further provision then this will come off the profits they are making elsewhere and should be manageable.

           I see no reason why EU governments  should suddenly buy shares or inject capital into Irish banks.  If the Irish state thinks it needs to inject more capital then it has to provide that from within its own budgets.

          When you are recovering from a serious bout of borrowing too much, borrowing more does not help. Ireland, like many western countries and banking systems, needs a work out or earn out, not a bail out.

            If you are worried about “contagion”, the possibility that other states may also be forced to pay more to borrow, the last thing you should do is to ask those other states to find more public money to bail out a weaker state. The more the stronger states have to borrow, the weaker they become in turn.

PS: We now learn from the Irish Central Bank that their Governor does want to arrange a large facility, as he is concerned about the way deposits have been withdrawn from Irish banks. You can make a crisis out of a problem, and the more you talk down an economy and its banks the more likely that is.

John Redwood’s contribution to Treasury Questions, 16 Nov

Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): Given that the Irish Government have said that they neither want nor need a bail-out, will the Chancellor support them at ECOFIN and put off those people in the EU who seem to want to make a crisis out of a problem?

Mr Osborne: There is an enormous amount of speculation about Ireland at the moment to which I do not propose to add. The Irish Government have said clearly that they have not sought assistance and that they are taking difficult steps to deal with their fiscal situation. They will make further announcements about their Budget situation in the next few weeks. I make the general observation that what is going on at the moment highlights the fact that concerns about sovereign debt issues have not disappeared and we should be grateful that, thanks to the actions of this Government, we have moved Britain out of the financial danger zone.

John Redwood’s contribution to the Policy for Growth Debate, 11 Nov

Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): I beg to move, that this House has considered the matter of policy for growth.

It gives me great pleasure to move the motion and I know that I speak for many others in this House when I say that we welcome the Backbench Business Committee’s decision to hold a debate on this crucial subject. I also remind the House that in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests I have pointed out that I am a business adviser to a couple of companies.

This is a crucial subject because the Government’s whole economic strategy rests on the assumption of above-trend growth starting next year and continuing for the rest of the Parliament. I am sure that every Member would like to see faster and sustained economic growth from this point after the trials, tribulations and difficulties that the economy has been through in recent years.

Knowing how popular this debate is and that about 50 Members would like to catch your eye, Mr Deputy Speaker, I shall not exercise the right of the mover of a motion to speak at great length. The House will be delighted to know that I shall not be giving my analyses of where the world and British economies are or of monetary and growth trends, as that would take a little longer. All those who are desperate to know my analysis can read it on johnredwood.com-a not-for-profit site that is full of wise advice and good analysis with a great deal of modesty. I am sure that colleagues will be delighted to know that. I shall stick to the headlines, based on my analyses, and the conclusions that I should like to put to the Minister and others.

The strategy over the five years in the Red Book, as amended in “The Green Book”, says that by the fifth year of the Parliament the Government hope to be spending £92 billion a year more on current public services than in the last Labour year, and that they wish at the same time to reduce the deficit. To do that, they assume that there will be an increase in tax revenue of £176 billion a year by that fifth year. We believe that it is assumed that most of that increase in tax revenue will come from increases in current tax rates through growth in the economy. So the Government have a great deal invested in the idea that growth is going to speed up and be sustained-we all do.

My first point is that the one thing we cannot afford over the next five years is rapid inflation. Currently, inflation is too high. The Bank of England, I am afraid, was disastrous in the era of the exchange rate mechanism when it lurched from boom to bust and advised the Government to take that course. It was again extremely bad over the past five years when the conduct of monetary policy also lurched from boom to bust. The Bank and the banking regulators allowed far too much credit up to 2007 and then starved the markets of money and kept rates too high in 2007-08 and into 2009, and we lurched from boom to bust. That was not a global crisis: those events were not happening in India, Australia, Canada or China, but they were Atlantic events-America did something similar. Britain did that and we must not do it again.

My policy recommendation to the Treasury is that I hope that the Chancellor will make it very clear in the next couple of weeks that we do not need any more money printing or quantitative easing in the current circumstances. The economy is growing, jobs are being created and inflation is still running at somewhere between 3% and 4.5%, depending on which index one relies. When we talk to business, we hear that there is a lot of inflation out there in the pipeline thanks to commodity price increases and increases in the world supply line prices now. Those increases are largely fuelled by the enormous quantitative easing under way in the United States of America and we do not need Britain to fuel them further with more quantitative easing.

Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab): Is not what is happening now simply the lagged effects of the Labour Government’s reflations out of the recession?

Mr Redwood: No, I do not think that is true at all. The reason we are now beginning to come off the bottom is that monetary policy lurched from being too tight to being too loose. Labour always said that that matter was decided by the Bank of England rather than by it, but we now need to think ahead. Monetary policy has been loosened somewhat and there is a bit more money around-indeed, there is a lot of money in the world as a whole-and it would be a disaster to fuel great inflation from here. If we can hold public sector pay and prices down-

Kelvin Hopkins rose –

Mr Redwood: I shall not give way, because many colleagues want to join in. The hon. Gentleman knows that I normally give way generously, but too many people want to join in. If we allow public sector inflation to take off, that £92 billion extra will be needed to pay for the extra costs and wages and will not be available for real increases in programmes that most colleagues would like.

Mel Stride (Central Devon) (Con): Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Mr Redwood: I shall not because we have to make progress. The £92 billion will go further if we can avoid high inflation. The Government should tell the Bank of England that the single objective is to get prices down, as it was asked to do, and to keep them down. More quantitative easing is not compatible with that aim.

My second point, which many colleagues will probably wish to address from their own, personal constituency experiences, concerns the lack of credit for business. Those two points are not contradictory, because while there has been a lot of money creation from which the public sector has benefited greatly by borrowing huge sums at very low prices, there has been a strict rationing of credit, particularly to smaller businesses, and a huge restriction on the balance sheets of the leading banks. One figure with which the House can never grapple is that the Royal Bank of Scotland-the state nationalised bank in all but name; we own most of the shares-has been on a drastic slimming course. It had a balance sheet of £2.2 trillion when it came into the public sector and by the end of this year, according to its plan, that figure will be down by £1 trillion-£1 trillion will have disappeared from the balance sheet. It is a global bank but quite a bit of that has an impact on the British economy.

It is not surprising in that climate that it is difficult for small businesses to get the money they want. So, my second piece of policy advice to the Government is that they should tell the banking regulator that enough is enough. The bank balance sheets, which were trashed in 2007 by very lax regulation, are now in danger of being strangled by very tight regulation. The tier 1 capital ratios for example, which in some cases reached a scandalously low 4% in 2007 on Labour’s watch when it did not seem to care about these things, are now at about 10%. That is job done for the time being. We could, by all means, come back to it if we have rapid growth and if there are incipient signs that there is too much credit, but that is not the current situation. We should take the brakes off a bit, particularly for the small business sector.

My third point is that we need to get some of that credit into the big projects that the country needs. I hope that Ministers will make urgent moves to clear the ground on planning, regulation and general background so that the country can again get on with building power stations, transport links and the broadband links it needs to fuel growth. While I hope that all or most of those projects will be privately financed-another reason why we need to fix the banks more quickly-I hope that Ministers in this Government, unlike in the previous Government, will make rapid decisions so that the private sector can get on with that job.

Let me address two final issues. First, in order to collect £176 billion extra in tax in year five, from year zero in the plan, the Government need to optimise their tax rates. They accepted in their Budget statement that to go above 28% on capital gains tax would lead to a reduction in revenue. I welcome the development of wisdom in the Treasury on this important point, but I have bad news-28% is not the optimising rate for capital gains tax and 50% is not the optimising rate for income tax. I would like to tax the rich more-that will surprise colleagues and delight the Opposition-but the way to do that is to cut the rates. We need to do that to attract them here, keep them here and make them honest here, and we need to have rates that maximise the revenue from the rich-the sooner the better-to hit those targets.

Colleagues will be delighted to hear that I have come to my final point. We were promised deregulation and were told that there was going to be a mighty freedom Bill. The Deputy Prime Minister was supposedly toiling away in his enormous room in the Cabinet Office that was inherited from the Lord Mandelson regime and no expense was to be spared in making sure that we had a really big deregulation Bill. I now hear rumours that it is going to be a civil liberties Bill from the Home Office. Will the Minister, who has responsibility for small businesses, champion a proper deregulation Bill? Deregulation is the tax cut for business that does not cost the Treasury a penny. Indeed, it could be the tax cut for business that saved the Government money as well.

There is too much needless regulation and too much regulation that does not do the job. Labour introduced extremely complicated mortgage regulation and more of it is out there. It obviously failed. As soon as we had all the regulation, the mortgage banks went down-something that they had never done before-because the wrong thing was being regulated. I want to regulate the cash, capital and solvency of those banks, but to make it easier for people to borrow money. Does the Minister know that the mortgage market is seizing up through too much of the wrong kind of regulation? Will he get on and fix it? I hope colleagues have a great debate.

5.57 pm

Mr Redwood: I thank all who participated in this debate. It is a sign of the success of the Backbench Business Committee’s choice of topic that I do not have enough time to respond in detail to colleagues as I would like, having sat here patiently listening to some good contributions. I hope that the Minister recognises that my hon. Friends and I, as well as Opposition Members, are extremely worried about the position on bank credit. The hon. Member for Leeds West (Rachel Reeves), my hon. Friends the Members for Hove (Mike Weatherley) and for Northampton South (Mr Binley), the right hon. Member for Wolverhampton South East (Mr McFadden), the hon. Member for Edinburgh South (Ian Murray) and I made a number of points.

Although I am grateful for the measures that the Minister sketched for an economy of a few billion pounds, we are talking about a £1.5 trillion economy. A few billions will not make a big difference, and I urge him and his hon. Friends in the Treasury to look again at why the Bank of England is depressing the accelerator-printing money and telling people that the water is lovely-and the banking regulator is depressing the brake and saying that money cannot be lent to industries that need it, or for the big projects that are much needed throughout the country.

A Labour Member became excited when he thought he heard me say that we want a big public works programme paid for by the public sector. I clearly said that we need a big public works programme-paid for wholly or mainly by the private sector. That is what we need to release banking credit for longer-term projects. We need the power stations, the transport links and the broadband. Those are the things that could bring the House together.

This has been a well-tempered debate, and hon. Members have expressed their fears and worries for their constituencies, but all have come together to say, “Yes, growth is what we need; bring on the growth; all we love is growth, and we must do more to achieve it.” The Government must control their deficit, but they must also do rather more on infrastructure, regulation, taxation and a number of issues to get that growth assured faster. They must persevere throughout the whole four years that remain of this Parliament and the Government’s budget strategy, so that we get those jobs and the big increases in tax revenue that are much needed to deliver their plans.

A large number of Labour Members-too many to read out in the few seconds remaining-were very concerned that public spending cuts would have a depressing effect on the economy.

John Redwood’s contribution to the European Union Economic Governance Debate, 10 Nov

Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): Will the Minister please confirm that the directive on budgetary frameworks for all member states will apply to the United Kingdom, that the second regulation on budgetary surveillance for all member states applies to the United Kingdom, and that the regulation for enforcement for all member states also applies to the United Kingdom? There are twin proposals in each case, some of which apply only to euro members and some of which affect all member states. Surely the Minister must confirm that that is a massive extension of European economic government, and the UK has to comply with a lot of it.

The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban): There is nothing new in the macro-economic surveillance processes outlined in the document and, as I have said, we are exempt from the sanctions regime that the Commission and others have proposed, which applies only to eurozone countries.

Mr Redwood: Will the Minister confirm that there are two big new regulations that relate directly to the United Kingdom? One relates to budgetary surveillance on all member states, and the other relates to enforcement against “macro-economic imbalances”, as the Commission so elegantly describes them. These are new powers in new regulations. Why are the Government consenting to them?

Mr Hoban: The enforcement point does not apply to the United Kingdom as a consequence of protocol 15 of the existing treaty framework, because we have opted out of that part. My right hon. Friend is knowledgeable about these things, and he will recognise that the Commission makes proposals, and that ECOFIN and the European Council have set out a clear policy framework on this, as reflected in the conclusions of the Van Rompuy taskforce, which make it very clear that sanctions do not apply in the UK.

Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) (Lab/Co-op): I wish I could be firmer and clearer, but we are dealing with a malleable set of proposals. The bundle of directives keeps changing, moving and morphing from phase to phase, and the directives will clearly go into a different phase when the European Council meets in December, but we can discern the rough direction of travel, and many Members will take a firm view on that.

The Minister talked about the sanctions. Yes, it is the case that they may not apply to the UK because of our opt-out from the euro, but the range of non-binding standards and early warning requirements in the event of significant deviation from the adjustment path apparently would apply to the UK; I should be grateful if the Minister would confirm that that is the case. Even if the UK is to be subject only to such commentaries, public observations or other non-binding standards, the Minister should tell the House how they would work and what the implications for us would be. Clearly, what the taskforce report calls the new reputational and political measures will be phased in progressively, but is it correct to read the proposals as also applying to the UK? In other words, is it not true that we will be subject to reporting requirements, potential formal reporting to the European Council in certain circumstances and enhanced surveillance-whatever “enhanced” may mean-if the situation dictates? Is it not also true that we will be subject to onsite monitoring from a mission of the EC-which I thought was curious, and which certainly might be of interest to some Conservative Members-and possible publication in the public domain of these reports and surveillance? Will the proposed regulations to strengthen the audit powers of Eurostat also apply to the UK, and what are the anticipated compliance costs of those changes for the UK and the Treasury? If we fail to comply with the proposed requirements, is it not the case that sanctions could be applied to the UK?

Mr Redwood: If this House and a properly elected British Government have chosen a certain course of action on the deficit or the balance of payments-or on whatever-how does it help to have the EU marking the homework, condemning it and using moral suasion to say that this House is wrong?

Chris Leslie: Well, my point is that it may or may not be a sensible move-and as a pro-European I think benefit could come from it-but what is important is that we get clarity from the Government about what exactly is on the table. If there are to be treaty changes and other new regulations, the Minister has to be straight about that with the country and the House. The latest sanctions in the framework-in terms of interest bearing deposits, non-interest bearing deposits and eventual fines-may not apply to the UK, but there is a first phase to that process which is the application of standards and assessments of our economic and fiscal position, and that will apply to the UK. The motion seeks approval for the Government’s position that any sanctions should not apply to the UK because of our euro opt-out, but there are developments here that strengthen the role of the EU in respect of our economic policy, and while that may be a good thing, some Members of this House would be wary of it.

John Redwood’s contribution to the Equitable Life (Payments) Bill, 10 Nov

Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) (Lab/Co-op): This may be a naive question, but box 2.7 in the spending review says: “The Government expects the total amount of funding for the scheme to be in the region of £1.5 billion.” That is the envelope that we have been debating, and that figure matters quite a lot, especially for those other policyholders. However, the same box says that “£1 billion will be allocated to the Payments Scheme in this Spending Review period, which will cover…the initial costs of the first three years of WPA”- with-profits annuitants “regular payments, and all payments to other policyholders.”

Can the Minister explain the difference between the £1 billion and the £1.5 billion, and say how the timings will be affected? Presumably the other £500 million will arrive after the spending review period, but I am a bit confused on that point.

The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban): The hon. Gentleman makes an important point, which gives me the opportunity to clarify the make-up of the £1.5 billion. The figure includes the full cost of the losses to with-profits annuitants-approximately £620 million-which will be made through regular payments. However, taking into account the pressures on the public purse, the Treasury could allocate only £1 billion over the first three years of the spending review. That will cover two things: the first three years of payments to with-profits annuitants, and lump-sum payments to all other policyholders and to the estates of deceased with-profits annuitants.

It is important to start to pay off with-profits annuitants’ losses quickly, alongside the lump-sum payments to other policyholders. About £225 million of the £1 billion is for with-profits annuitants and their estates, leaving approximately £775 million for lump-sum payments to non-with-profits annuitants. The Towers Watson estimate of £620 million for with-profits annuity losses leaves approximately £395 million for the rest of the WPA losses from 2014-15 onwards. Those who are quicker at mental arithmetic than me will have worked out that the total comes to about £1.4 billion. The balance is a contingency, because the payments to with-profits annuitants are based on their longevity. We hope that they live long and healthy lives, and that buffer is set aside to cover this need. That is how the maths works out.

Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): Could my hon. Friend provide further clarification on the tax status of those receiving such payments?

Mr Hoban: My right hon. Friend pre-empts a point that I was going to refer to in the clause stand part debate. He gives me an opportunity to say now that the payments will be free of tax.

How the EU plans to control Ireland

 

             The last week has seen a gripping struggle for power between the EU and one of the smaller member states. It began when Frau Merkel, probably for German political reasons, undermined confidence in Greek and Irish bonds by saying that Euroland “sovereigns” might have to cut the interest or capital they owed to bondholders. It continued with strenuous efforts by the EUauthorities and leading member states to get Ireland to discuss a refinancing package for the country. Ireland protested loudly and in public that it did not need any money, and had its finance arranged through to the middle of next year.  Despite this the EU continued with its deliberations, leaks and press statements in a way which was bound to destabilise markets further pending an outcome. Now we learn that Ireland is being persuaded that it  needs money from the EU to help it to recapitalise its banks more rapidly.

Why would members of Euroland want to do this, as all the public debate about crisis and the need for emergency  responses is bound in the short term to make things worse.? All the talk of contagion just puts the idea into the market that the problems might not end with Ireland.  Either the Euro powers that be are incompetent, and do not understand how they can induce falling markets by saying too much and doing too much, or they are out to ensnare Ireland into new controls and conditions, to strengthen the EU’s hand in economic governance. The EU has never liked Ireland’s attractive low Corporation Tax rate, and would dearly love to be able to force that up.

The UK should make it clear that we are not part of any Euroland rescue or facility. We should say we do not think they can use EU disaster relief provisions to offer Ireland more cash. If Ireland does not wish to take any EU money, the UK should be Ireland’s ally. The stated Irish wish to see their own way through their own deficit problem is wholly admirable. Let us hope the EU does not make it unrealistic, by their market destabilising statements.

You do not make a currency area stronger  by taking money from the heavily borrowed to give to the overborrowed. The heavily borrowed have to borrow more themselves to prop up the overborrowed.  If done on a large scale,  that migth weaken them dangerously. You do instead need to bring deficits and in due course the debt down. You do not do that by borrowing more collectively.

The EU spin suggests Ireland is being selfish by refusing the money. They argue that if Ireland does a deal soon it will remove the risk of the problem spreading to other Euroland states. This argument ignores the fact they told us that when Greece accepted a deal. Markets sometimes take a hint – if pushing hard produces a subsidy or favourable borrowings for one country, why not push on another weaker country and do the same all over again?

How should monetary policy operate in a democracy?

 

              There is no perfect answer. In practice, in any democracy, independent arrangements only last for as long as they have broad politcal and public support. If the independent bodies  do the wrong things or if the public loses confidence, then the elected authorities will change them.

              I do not favour relying on the chance that the electoral and political party system may just happen to put in the right senior office someone who understands the intricacies of monetary policy and is capable of making good judgements. The senior elected official can at any time override or make the important calls. Mr Darling, after all, seemed to take a very leading  role in cutting interest rates and loosening policy at the height of the banking crisis, when there was concerted action by the leading Finance Ministries of the world. It would be better to find a system where good official advice and delegated powers  can usually be operated without detailed reference to the senior elected official.

              In system with fiat currencies and single Central Banks it makes sense to delegate substantial power to the Governor and senior executives of such a Bank. Under the older UK system the Governor held regular talks with PM and with Chancellor. Differences could be ironed out in private, and a common view reached between the Bank and the government over correct interest rate and monetary policies in the light of the government’s tax and spending policies. Under the newer system the Bank has more authority to settle interest rates on its own, and to conduct more of the dialogue with government in public, by publishing forecasts and warnings about economic developments in the light of the government’s published decisions on tax and spend. The newer system does not, however, preclude private discussion about  the intersection of fiscal and monetary policy.

               What the public wants is for Bank and Treasury to follow policies which promote low inflation and good rates of growth. Within reason they do not much mind how that is done. The record shows that no  political party has avoided some boom/bust cycles. The record also shows that the two worst boom/bust cycles of recent years came about under regimes based on so called independent action designed to avoid political interference in key decisions.

                The truth is that an independent Central Bank is only a good idea if it is led by people with great judgement about the cycle. In 1989 we needed Central bankers to withdraw their enthusiasm for the ERM on the obvious grounds that the pound was going up and trying to keep it down would damage monetary and anti inflation policy. We needed a Bank which in 2005-6 made sensible adjustments to avoid excessive credit expansion, and a Bank who from the middle of 2007 made enough money available to markets and cut interest rates fast enough to avoid a run on banks. The fact that we did not get this shows that finding good Central Bank leadership is not easy, and the task itself is not easy for those charged with it.

                  In many other walks of life democratic government  is based on the theory that the generalist, the Minister answerable to the public, takes decisions based on best professional advice, but has the last word in cases of disagreement or difficulty. It is, after all, the politican who has to defend the decisions to the public, and who keeps or loses his job based on the success or failure of the decisions.

                          Some element of this needs to be included again in our approach to the newly strengthened Bank of England which will emerge from the latest reforms. I welcome the return of bank regulatory powers to the Bank of England. They need to understand bank balance sheets day by day and be able to control them to control the money supply. They should also act in the markets to raise money for the government. Armed with these substantial powers, they need from time to time to  confirm they have the support of the government. This could be done through a formal and public process, or through an informal one as used to happen. The senior elected official has to keep his confidence in the Governor, and satisfy himself that Governors in future are more likely to read cycles well than has happened in recent years.

                  In the end it comes down to people. The Chancellor has to carry the can and make any final or difficult decison. He is best equipped to do this if he has chosen a good Central Bank Governor with judgement and knowledge of the markets. He can then trust him and interfere little if at all.  If he has a Governor who is not good at judging he has to find ways of bringing better advice to bear on the problem, or he needs to change the Governor.

The Euro crisis – phase 2

 

                    Angela Merkel started the latest phase of the rolling Euro crisis. She warned that Europe’s taxpayers could not be expected to carry the whole burden of bailing out countries that had borrowed too much. She felt that the bondholders, people and institutions who had lent money to the likes of Greece and Ireland, should lose some of their money. She favoured the heavily borrowed countries scaling back the interest and or capital they repay to their lenders. She also wished to clarify and settle more of the details of the bail out funds, announced in haste during the first phase of the crisis.

                          This may have been popular with German taxpayers who are very nervous about how much they might have to contribute, but it did not go down well in the bond markets. Irish bond prices fell sharply, forcing up the interest rate Ireland will have to pay for new debt and replacement debt  when it wishes to borrow again. Other senior people in the EU realised this was hastening the crisis they were trying to avoid, and eventually put out a statement saying any reneging on the terms of debt would only apply to new debt. It would not apply to debt people,funds and banks already owned

            That was a curious way of “reassuring” people. Why would savers want to buy Irish or Greek debt in the future if it no longer has an effective  sovereign guarantee that you will be paid all your interest pr0mptly and will get your capital back on the due date? How is it reassuring to current investors to know that when Ireland or Greece comes to borrow again to repay you, they may have to offer much higher interest rate coupons because people will fear the “haircuts” in the interest and  capital to come?  You can reach the point where the interest rate they need to pay to renew their borrowings is simply not sustainable from their tax revenues.

             To many readers the idea that the bondholders should take a hit may seem attractive. After all, they could have worked out what the rest of us worked out, that some Euro area sovereign debt is high risk.   There is a simple answer to Mrs Merkel and her theory of bond cuts. If the Euro sovereign renege on their debts people’s pension funds, saving funds, and the banks will lose this money. The Euro sovereign bonds are not all owned by rich people who could afford the losses. The UK taxpayer will be one of the bigger losers, thanks to the Irish holdings in RBS, the state owned bank.

               It’s in all our interests that they find a way of avoiding reneging on debt. It is also in our interest for our government to make sure UK taxpayers do not have to subsidise Euro area governments that have borrowed too much. The answer is of course stronger economic growth and a lower proportion of GDP being borrowed by the state. The problem is, to achieve that they probably need a lower Euro as well, something Germany is none too keen on. Maybe if Mrs Merkel makes some more unfortunate remarks it will lower the Euro anyway.