Those who write in to point out there is as yet no official confirmed US election result are correct. It is also true some more votes might turn up. However, the world sees a substantial margin of votes and Electoral College votes for Mr Biden who will now act as President elect and be generally accepted as such. Only if Mr Trump publishes convincing evidence of substantial voter fraud in several swing states and that is upheld in state law courts will the present indicative result be overturned. So far Mr Trump has not produced such evidence.
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November 8, 2020
Biden in his speech yesterday promises to ābring the climate under controlā. Great plan mate, you will obviously need to start by getting the Sun under control – good luck with that mate – whatās your plan here exactly?
You may become president but it will not make you God.
November 8, 2020
Quite. King Canute tried something similar with the sea, I understand.
November 8, 2020
To prove to his more half-witted followed he could not command the tides. After all, if he thought he could command the tides, he would have had a dry run (as it were) before making an arse of himself by sitting in a deckchair as the tide came in.
November 8, 2020
One thing I never understood about Trump.
Why did he keep NAFTA (or at least renegotiate it)?
November 9, 2020
Domocrats did not accept election for four left long years. Every trick in the book used including intelligence services, MSM Facebook and Twitter to suppress truth.
Trump ought to claim Russian intereference. He has to accept result from liberal left although they never did!
Where is your balance JR?
November 8, 2020
Eh no, you got the story wrong: he told his flattering courtiers that even as a king he could not command the tide. But do not worry you are not the only one making this mistake.
See āKing Canute and the tideā on wikipedia.
November 8, 2020
King Canute showed up the folly of flattery by demonstrating to his courtiers that he could not hold back the tide. Children used to be taught this till identity politics took over.
November 8, 2020
King Knut was proving he could NOT control the sea.
November 8, 2020
Let me tell you (hopefully without deletion) that the mad *****s DO have a plan which EVERYONE should know.
They plan to fire particle at the sun to block out the heat and so cool the earth.
Madness …so we can tell they will try.
And the planet will starve.
All done with computer models.
November 8, 2020
And as for the God idea that is what AI is all about.
The left thinks it can create life and thus be godlike.
Very satanic and VERY scary.
And I did not make that up!!
November 8, 2020
What twaddle – where is your evidence that “the Left” has such bizarre ideas?
November 8, 2020
MiC
Blair government –
Wanted compulsory ID for every Englishman in his own country. Failed thank God.
Wanted compulsory microchipping of newborn babies.
Armed the police with tazers – recognised by international treaty as an instrument of torture.
‘show me your papers’ and live life under the threat of being electrocuted for non compliance.
Yes Martin, bizarre and dangerous ideas of your left wing leaders.
November 9, 2020
some us read your bizarre ideas – evidence enough!
November 8, 2020
Brilliant comment L/L. We are all going to hell in a hand cart now that Biden is joining forces with all the other nose in the troughs politicians, bankers, royal families and just anyone who can get a financial gain from this garbage while we all pay through our energy bills.
November 8, 2020
Iāve whacked a load of insulation in the roof and put a bit under my new flooring. The cavity walls were already done. I have had a new (very efficient) boiler installed. My energy bills are quite modest. Less than a grand a year.
November 8, 2020
Mike
All well tried and trusted methods which are very cost effective.
Topping up my loft insulation also before winter gets fully going.
Unfortunately no help from the governments Green Scheme because they do not trust you to do it yourself.
November 8, 2020
All depends on how big your house is and who is out of in during the day etc. If you work from home or are frail so spend a fair bit of time sitting down you might use more. Our house is well insulated but tge price we are charged for electricity has gone up twice in the last 6 months. Changed provider but it won’t make a lot of difference. Gas is cheaper but we won’t all have that option soon.
November 8, 2020
Ban fracking in the USA ?
Bound to cause poverty.
November 8, 2020
Yep. Ban fracking and fill the deserts with solar panels.
November 8, 2020
It was shorthand. All but those literalists somewhere on the spectrum will have understood what he meant.
He now needs to reassure the many normal, decent people who voted for Trump that the Centre – which is where he is – does not propose any of those policies invasive of family and everyday life that they had been shamefully misled to believe that it might.
The US can be substantially re-united.
November 8, 2020
Weren’t you one of the ones complaining that our Government’s Covid message was not clear enough?
Clear communication is important is it not?
One rule for your ilk……
November 8, 2020
The redeeming factor is the Republicans controlling the Senate. They will stop him from banning coal, oil and gas production. Remember Clinton saying she was going to put them out of work.
There will be riots all over the country if his policies increase fuel and heating prices.
In 4 years the population will be ready for a change.
November 8, 2020
There are run-offs.
The Democrats may yet take the Senate.
November 8, 2020
Yes they will. Remember the Republican Party hate Trump. He shows all professional politicians up.
November 8, 2020
Hallo Martin
Just a gentle piece of advice, and that is that you might get be entering a bit of a PC mine-field by alluding to people “on the spectrum” like that, no animosity intended.
Thanks.
November 8, 2020
He is following in the great Democrat tradition of Obama who said in his inaugural address: “let this be the day when the oceans ceased to rise”. (I believe they carried on rising at c 2-3 mm pa, as they have done since the end of the last glaciation).
November 8, 2020
I’d be quite happy if Biden could give us a nice, sunny November instead of this cold mist. Thanking you in advance, Joe.
Oh, and do hurry up, Trump, with your detailed, thorough, investigation, complete with witnesses, and all relevant testing. Sir John here expected it on Friday morning.
November 8, 2020
LL
“Biden in his speech yesterday promises to bring the climate under control”
Would that be after or before he has dealt with abortion, gun control, health care, antifa / BLM etc ?
And then there’s China.
Throw in the odd terrorist attack on US assets – and we will not be helping the US due to his threats against our country.
The right wing will justifiably be looking for dirt to throw at Biden to give the democrats a taste of their own medicine.
This guy is going to wish he never ran for President.
November 8, 2020
I see Johnson has been forced into yet another U-turn. My only comment is that the reported Ā£395m to feed the starving children in the UK is probably not enough.
‘Tis the season of goodwill to all. Could not the government print another Ā£10m and give them all a pressie this Xmas? Maybe a football for the boys and a ManU cheerleader kit for the girls?
November 8, 2020
Why wouldn’t you send the girls a football too?
November 8, 2020
Sheās sexist! Isnāt that a hate crime?
November 8, 2020
He is so like May.
Whatever Boris states with conviction we KNOW he will do the opposite.
Wait for the schools to close!
November 8, 2020
He is a conviction politician. His conviction is to change his mind whenever the media shout at him. One must admire his consistency. If a U-turn opportunity presents, he WILL take it.
November 8, 2020
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November 8, 2020
He no longer has a mind to change.
November 8, 2020
Insane virtue-signalling. How long before they revert to tackling childhood obesity again?
The idea of taxing people to give them back vouchers that are restricted to buying school dinners or insulation products, or bus passes, or free TV licences, or prescriptions is very wasteful indeed and clearly idiotic. Just leave the money with the people or give it to them when needed. Freedom and choice please.
November 8, 2020
Surly it would now be a football or set of spammers for the girls and ballet outfits or makeup kits for the boys.
November 8, 2020
Spanners rather.
November 8, 2020
Whilst trashing the businesses that pay for it.
You’re better off making yourself a single mum with an unknown dad than starting up a hair salon.
November 8, 2020
Some truth in that but it would be rather a challenge for me.
November 8, 2020
True I know someone who chose that option four times to take her through to retirement.
November 8, 2020
She expects to claim Child Support for several decades?
How does that work?
November 8, 2020
You have your first child at 17, your next child at 28, your next child at 38, coincidentally the same year that you become a grandmother, and the last child at 45. But she got caught out because they moved the retirement age up from 60.
November 8, 2020
Martin, If I told you some of the benefit manipulations I know of Iād make your eyes water.
November 8, 2020
Because you have kids until you are 40 and get benefits. She will get stamps credited to get her pension for free.
November 8, 2020
They show you how to do it on TV with three generations of he same family never working.
November 8, 2020
We donāt talk in millions anymore. Only billions, I have no doubt that the Govt would print another 100 billion for āChristmas pressiesā but other religions might be offended.
November 9, 2020
I don’t agree that the Government has been āforcedā into it. Boris is weak, and instead of caving in, should have held his nerve. He is too keen to be popular, and liked.
Just because social media is alive with condemnation, shouldn’t mean that he has to change tack, and lump the taxpayer with yet another big bill.
Where will it all end!
November 8, 2020
He took a hell of a beating, possibly by 306-232. He should show some grace and humility, but he has none.
As one of your sensible ex Tory politition colleagues said yesterday, a great win for sense and moderation, and an end to a grotesque style of politics.
When the pending federal and state investigations catch up with him, he should share a cell with his chum Bannon.
November 8, 2020
Just like here with Brexit there has been no sense or moderation from the people who spent 3 years trying to impeach Trump. You might like to wrap yourselves in the holier than thou cloak, but we have seen the rank hypocrisy, the poison has been injected into our politics by those who claim to be so much more civilised than us.
November 8, 2020
You think Bidenās a moderate ? Wow.
November 8, 2020
It it wasnāt a hell of a beating. He got 4 million more votes than last time. Their truly insane electoral college distorts things just as our equally insane system gives the Tories an 80 seat majority based on a minority vote.
November 8, 2020
Yes, but it distorts things in the Republicans’ favour.
This is well analysed and documented.
Biden will have won the popular vote by the best part of five million votes.
November 8, 2020
5 million votes as a proportion of the US population is the same as 1.4 million more voting to leave the EU.
November 8, 2020
Only if you count all the dead people.
November 8, 2020
22 Republicans out of 45 Presidents doesn’t look like a huge advantage.
November 8, 2020
the margin was approx 4m – same as last time – more Democrats voted both times.
November 8, 2020
āModeration and gross style of politicsā – you need to look at both sides RichardM. There was a female American comedian who thought it was ok to hold up a bloodied decapitated head of Donald Trump and share it on her social media totally uncensored by Twitter.
The left have done nothing since Trumpās Election Day but vilify him and this may not be fashionable to say now the media have said Trump has lost the election but they have behaved appallingly.
If the conservatives, the republicans around the World think it is ok to have treated Trump and right wing voters and supporters in the way they have been in the last four years then bolt your door John because theyāre coming after you lot and your supporters next.
November 8, 2020
A hell of a beating with 71 million votes? 71 million legal votes from the living, when the whole MSM was blackening him for four years? And when they were censoring anything untoward about his opponent? 8 million more votes than he got last time? Do you know how many votes sitting presidents usually get? Do you know how many the saintly Obama got? This is the highest ever number of votes won by a candidate.
The other chap who didn’t bother to campaign and had no record of achievement is said to have got even more votes. Well, we shall see.
November 8, 2020
You donāt need to campaign, Rose, when all your votes have already been counted!
November 8, 2020
Regrettably the US government is heading towards becoming a complete mess some what similar to the 3 years of chaos we experienced from 2016 to 2019. We suffered two weak PMs who were working to a hidden agenda denying the result of a referendum.
The US Senate will delay and disrupt Biden’s policies and ambitions as the Remainers did here and the ”Far left faction” in the Democratic party will endeavour to take the government off course towards Marxism as the Corbynites attempted here.
Biden is neither strong nor very bright coupled with advancing years and throughout his career he has always held No2 positions. Second in command rarely make good leaders so I think he will prove to be a cross between Anthony Eden and Theresa May.
November 8, 2020
I suspect there is some evidence as postal voting is very open to fraud – but will Tumps lawyers ever be able to get access to this evidence? The substantial difference in the Trump % vote (postal and in person) is certainly reasonable grounds for investigating further.
November 8, 2020
If you’ve been paying attention to the narrative, the difference is not surprising at all.
Trump encouraged his supporters to vote on the day, knowing that in many states the “on the day” vote gets counted first, and only when that process is complete do they start processing the mail in ballots. This, combined with the fact that vote counts are released in a “drip feed” form as individual elements of counts are completed and then announced, was all intended to allow Trump to claim that he was winning based on the “on the day” figures only and was then having the election “stolen” from him once the mail in ballots (which were always going to be primarily Democrat as Biden’s messaging was about staying safe and encouraging Democrat voters to use mail in ballots if they felt the need to) started to be counted.
November 8, 2020
You are omitting the finding on postal votes: more Republicans applied for them than Democrats. What happened to all those Republican postal votes? And why have the military ones been put on one side?
November 8, 2020
Especially as we are now told more Republicans applied for postal votes than Democrats.
November 8, 2020
You didnāt have to apply if youāre a Democrat, they sent them out Willy nilly, even being dead didnāt prevent you from voting!
November 8, 2020
+1 and sent them in. Duplicate ballots too. And the replacement of ballots too as all the Military ballots were found in a dumpster! Wonder if the Army guys would be voting for Biden or peace-delivering Trump?
November 8, 2020
If there were any evidence then it would point to a crime, and the police would be informed.
November 8, 2020
134 people arrested as of Saturday. More to come. Much more!
November 8, 2020
I certainly think all Governments should take a real hard look at the whole Postal vote system/idea, as we have had many years of our own experience of vote harvesting here.
It is my firm belief that you should have to apply for a postal vote every time you want to use that method, not be listed for one in perpetuity as the present system seems to allow.
Postal voting should only be for those who cannot turn up in person because of illness, who will be away on a pre booked holiday, away on Business, and armed force personal who are abroad.
Postal voting is a real threat to democracy if not policed correctly.
If people cannot/will not make the effort to actually turn up at a polling station, which is usually more more than a couple of miles away, just once every few years, then they really only have themselves to blame if they do not get the politicians and policies they would prefer.
Your thoughts John ?
November 8, 2020
The votes, āevidenceā, is all tangible, they can be validated and hand counted. The ones printed in China without the special ink can be set to one side.
The law, in Nevada for instance does not allow late ballots, and if any are added, the whole election is invalidated. The admission of late votes is not contested.
Wait until you see the evidence for Godās sake. This is criminal. Stupid because the smoking gun is there for everybody to count.
Nancy said āwe had better be ready if we go down that path.ā – what does that mean?
November 8, 2020
At least we have ample evidence of fraudulent promises from our PM.
November 8, 2020
Stop it now you’re embarrassing yourself
November 8, 2020
Exactly!
November 8, 2020
I have sympathy for Trump. I understand entirely why he won the last election, and he was the best choice for president this time. But he was not the radical president people voted for, even if his style sugested as much. He did some good, but not enough. Most relevantly, he did not get a handle on the voting systems in the US in the four years he was in office. It’s a bit late to be complaining now, no matter how genuine the grievances. This said, given that the economic policy course was already set in the direction of more money printing, it ultimately makes little difference who won. The present economy is unsustainable and has been for more than a decade. Its inevitable collapse will be that much more calamitous for having been delayed so long. Perhaps now it will not happen on Trump’s watch.
November 8, 2020
Why do absentee ballots favour left leaning parties whenever they are used?
Are those who votes for “equality of outcome” less able to turn up than those who believe a rising tide Carrie’s all boats?
Is the left’s argument so poor that people will vote for it if it doesn’t require an effort but not if they have to expend energy?
Or does the left perpetrate voter fraud? It has to be one of the two
November 8, 2020
Biden’s message was “there’s a global pandemic, if you don’t feel safe, use a mail in ballot”.
Trump’s message was “vote in person on the day, you’re a weak individual if you use a mail in ballot”.
It’s pretty obvious what impact that would have on the two voter bases.
November 8, 2020
My comment was about postal voting in general but you stick to your agenda.
Postal ballot Sir?
November 8, 2020
Ok, explain what was going on in Arizona then with a bunch of Trump supporters stood outside a counting location chanting “Count those Votes”.
Can I presume it was votes in favour of Biden that they wanted counting?
November 9, 2020
Explain why postal votes worldwide favour left leaning parties as per my original post
November 9, 2020
They enable people who cannot vote in person – because of work usually – to do so.
Employees tend to the Centre/Left.
The old – retired – are more likely to support the Right on the other hand.
There are further simple factors.
November 9, 2020
Odd I would have thought old retired people many with mobility problems would be more inclined to choose mail in ballots.
November 8, 2020
+1
November 8, 2020
Again the point was about postal voting in general, remove the blinkers that you accuse many on this blog of wearing @hef
November 8, 2020
Biden’s traditional Irish message was “Vote early” – we all know how the injunction finishes: “and often”.
Trump’s message was vote the traditional American way because it is less likely to be tampered with.
November 8, 2020
The message should have been ‘If you can spare several hours on the day to ‘wait in line’ to place a vote between a nasty billionaire dictator, and an old failed green career politican, then do it, otherwise if you have more sense and value your time – post it in’.
November 8, 2020
If you donāt think voting matters, donāt vote! Phew, lucky we donāt elect dictators like idiot May and Mad Boris!
November 8, 2020
Lynn
Voting doesn’t matter anymore, democracy is well and truly dead.
I shall only going to the Polling Station next general election for one reason only – to help sling the alleged conservatives out.
Who replaces them is irrelevant. Revenge is what matters.
November 9, 2020
Who said anything about not voting?
November 9, 2020
NS, The problem with your post is that it starts (wilfully or not, I cannot say) by a debatable premise āWhy do absentee ballots favour left leaning parties whenever they are used?ā.
For the sake of your argument, you should give a list of examples (outside the 2020 US elections) where and when it was the case, given your āwheneverā.
Otherwise I could suspect a (voluntary or not) sleight of hand and an essentially dishonest post.
I am sure you must have a long list of historical elections when it was the case. I am keen on learning on the topics.
November 9, 2020
Birmingham Tower Hamets Peterborough.
November 13, 2020
NSā original post was āwhenever they are usedā. I guess I would not distort the comment by rephrasing it as āwhenever and wherever they are usedā making the comment applicable on an international scale.
So āBirmingham, Tower Hamlets, Peterboroughā are good examples for England, albeit each concerning only at most some scores of votes and in local elections.
Now will you display some of your international knowledge and list a few more examples outside England.
Thanks in advance.
November 8, 2020
“Only if Mr Trump publishes convincing evidence…and that is upheld in state law courts will the present indicative result be overturned. So far Mr Trump has not produced such evidence.”
I wonder what you mean by “publishes” evidence. President Trump must present evidence in court sufficient and persuasive enough to convince the lawfully appointed judge of fact. I do not believe that is you.
November 8, 2020
Yes – I don’t normally associate Sir John with tautological arguments like this.
November 8, 2020
@ Kevin – you are not seeing it now.
Nivek has misread what was written, despite quoting it!
For reasons I (will pretend) to know not, I am reminded of the Kipling quote from “If” about words being twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.
November 8, 2020
Exactly right, Nivek. I fear JR has been misled into believing that the media are judge and jury in what happens in public affairs. They should confine themselves to reporting it.
In any self-respecting democracy, serious allegations of electoral fraud cannot be ignored. They must be investigated by due process of law, if popular sovereignty is to mean anything. And that’s what’s at stake in this election result: most Americans don’t support the Great Reset or the Green New Deal, the Billionaires Club does.
Reply I am well aware this election has not yet been completed and we await final counts and lawsuits. It still seems most likely Mr Biden will emerge with the prize.
November 8, 2020
Reply to reply. I canāt see what makes you draw that conclusion. The numbers fall to Trump when you remove from the counting graphs the āvertical Biden overnight votesā that nobody scrutinised.
Itās the public giving Trump the evidence, that in itself speaks volumes. Even the Amish voted Trump – and they donāt vote!
November 8, 2020
@ Nivek – evidence presented to a judge is typically published in the sense that it is public information (as defendant Maxwell is finding out).
Presumably if in possession of such evidence, Mr. Trump would be well-advised and would likely eagerly wish to give it wide circulation, not least to influence public opinion in advance of any juduicial hearing.
November 8, 2020
Tomorrow! Monday!
November 8, 2020
The only serious election interference occurred in 2016 with the massive disinformation campaign against Hillary Clinton on Twitter and Facebook conducted by Russia, as reported by the CIA, FBI and NSA.
November 8, 2020
Your sources are a joke
November 8, 2020
He is not President-elect until the Office of General Services Administration says so.
It is not for the media to declare.
The main stream media are deliberately creating the impression that the legal cases are groundless.
November 8, 2020
See the BBC. Why would they announce that the claims are groundless before seeing any evidence?
November 9, 2020
Because they have spent 5 years undermining and lying about President Trump and quite obviously loathe him?
November 10, 2020
J4B – Spot on – The WHOLE of the UK Establishment hate Donald Trump. He is an outsider and has upset the Status Quo. What more do you need to say. So many people with their heads in the sand.
November 8, 2020
Thereās plenty of evidence if you care to look, observers being prevented from observing, thousands of ballot papers being sent to dead people, apparently genuine papers have been watermarked.
I donāt ever remember being so depressed and given the truly abysmal performance of the government Iām in a state of despair.
Common sense seems to be a commodity in short supply in the government, falling for the Greencrap which will destroy our economy and lives.
The United Nations is an evil organisation, when our council declared a Climate Emergency earlier this year I enquired what had prompted the decision and I was told that it was the UN, I replied that they were also calling for the destruction of the state of Israel and was that now council policy?
November 8, 2020
Lester – You are about the only person with sensble and true comments here.
So many with their heads in the sand and believing the MSM.
November 8, 2020
Sorry Sir John but youāre seem to be missing the main points of concern.
The issue isnāt about new votes turning up for Trump – it is about discounting the false votes for Biden.
The world sees what the mainstream media and big tech allows it to see.
What would you have Trump do – believing there to be massive voting fraud – congratulate your opponent who is responsible for it?
Also how can he āpublishā convincing evidence – every video and post with the evidence gathered so far is deleted by social media censorship. Video and photo footage from inside Counting stations has been prohibited and people attempting to take photos for evidence have been ejected. Barriers have been erected to block the view of poll observers. Poll observers have been barred access to counting locations or put so far away they canāt see anything. For no apparent reason polling stations stopped counting when it was clear Trump was in the lead and then the next day, mysteriously thousands of new ballots were found – all of them for your President-Elect.
The best evidence of fraud is the total vote count for Joe Biden: 75 million? Come on. It doesnāt make sense.
At least half of America believes this to be a fraud – youāve chosen to side with the other team – the anti-Brexit side that has big tech, the media, Etc ed and Wall Street on their side.
Reply My piece covers both possibility of fraud in Biden votes and missing Trump votes. It states clearly they should count all valid votes. Pl read what I write before rushing to criticise.
November 8, 2020
Fair point that you did mention valid votes in the previous post – I was mostly responding to this post that didnāt mention it.
Some people suggest your letter was a subtle work of genius. I hope this is the case since it is disquieting to seem to disagree with you for once. Again, to be fair, upon second reading you had all the key points in there.
In terms of reading your post first, well you could say please *carefully* read my letter and try not to have an emotional response to it that might cloud your view of my subtle positioning points.
We will see if this approach helps pressure be applied to Biden and the left to enable a full and comprehensive investigation of all allegations to satisfy those of us who are sceptical.
Reply I have not sent it yet
November 8, 2020
Might I suggest, assuming the editing options are limited, that you prefix your replies with a dividing characters like this:
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This would both highlight your replies and also make them searchable on long pages with many comments.
November 8, 2020
Reply to reply
Your commentary on this issue leaves little doubt as to where you stand on this. Yes, you have said all valid votes should be counted. Everyone from Biden to Trump says as much. It’s a meaningless statement. You wrote a friendly letter to Biden and shared it with us. Was there any need to do so now, especially when the election results have yet to be formalised? Would it not have been wiser to keep your counsel a little longer?
You mention the possibility of electoral fraud, but essentially dismiss it out of hand. The size of the turnout is remarkable, even allowing for the fact that voting has been made easier with the expansion of postal ballots. This alone is enough to raise eyebrows, never mind all the other elements of this that both facilitate and incentivise vote-rigging. It is at least possible that assuming Biden has won has the potential to embarrass, further recommending a withholding of judgement.
Personally, I think there are significant structural factors that might explain a Biden victory. The economy is in poor shape, Biden isn’t Hillary Clinton, and Trump hasn’t achieved as much as he promised. But the state of the economy and the virus situation could have easily helped Trump. The BLM madness is much trickier to parse and so is best left to the side. But the point is, at this point in time, to gainsay the situation is overly presumptious. I think Biden will end up as the POTUS, but I wouldn’t yet be making plans on that basis.
Reply I did not send the letter and wished to see more of how events play out
November 9, 2020
Reply to reply
You could have course made clear that your letter was pending. In any case, sensible not to have yet sent it. Though this doesn’t alter your expressed perspective. Anyway, there are bigger fish to fry.
November 8, 2020
When asked why the polls were so wildly inaccurate, Democrat commentators reply that it is probably because Trump supporters were afraid to come forward and admit it.
Why should it be normal to be afraid to say who you vote for in a democracy?
Why is the self-annointed party of peace and unity so aggressively intolerant of those who don’t share their views?
If they won, I accept it but they need to calm down.
They will find though, that the strategy of continually complaining won’t work any longer, as they are in government, so any mistakes are on them now.
November 8, 2020
Quite.
If views are legal why can’t they be expressed. Why is discourse subjugated. It’s like not being able to criticise a religion
November 8, 2020
From TCW: WORRYING proposals to criminalise so-called hate speech in private homes in Scotland were highlighted last week by Dr Campbell Campbell-Jack.
Now there are moves to bring in similar legislation in England and Wales, meaning remarks about race, religion and other issues as part of conversation or argument could be deemed illegal.
Currently, the law protects you from prosecution for stirring up hatred if allegedly offensive words are spoken āwithin a dwellingā and cannot be heard outside. Basically, when you close your front door, youāre free to do and say whatever you like as long as youāre not committing a crime.
But the Law Commission, the statutory body which keeps the law of England and Wales under review, is proposing that private homes should also be covered.
November 8, 2020
If people whom you dislike compound that and ask you why you dislike them, then you are hardly likely to do them the service of explaining why you do.
Many voters – perhaps rightly – equate the pollsters with what they call – wrongly on the other hand – the “establishment”.
November 9, 2020
Jack “When asked why the polls were so wildly inaccurate, Democrat commentators reply that it is probably because Trump supporters were afraid to come forward and admit it.”
We’re seeing the repercussions now in just two days, Trump supporters cancelled off twitter – totally wiped out. AOC saying “is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future?’ – What! This sounds real friendly and reaching out to the other side for a kinder, gentler politics.
November 8, 2020
Give him time.
November 8, 2020
The time taken for Mr Trump to publish convincing evidence is limited. If he chooses to contest the result, it will be by mounting a number of legal battles at state-level. Today, on another site, there is news of one election worker filing an afidavit alleging that votes of dubious legality were pushed through the system on the orders of his superior.
P.S. Some time ago, I acted as a ‘Count Agent’ after the referendum. I was hugely impressed by the efficiency of the count, organised by Fareham council.
November 8, 2020
I too have been an observer at counts. We were allowed to wander around at will, to watch everything and anything we wanted, not just the actual counting. We all looked over the shoulders of the counters and kept tallies of what was happening. There needed to be quite a number of us.
It sounds as if in certain Democrat cities none of this was allowed to the Republicans, not even when they had won court backing. They had to go back to court. Is this how it is going to be here soon? When I look at the behaviour on the London Assembly I am not hopeful for our democratic future.
November 8, 2020
Excessive numbers or suspicious persons may have been prevented, but I know of no evidence that proper observation was hindered in any way in any State.
November 9, 2020
So if you have no first hand experience of anything
it doesn’t exist.
Not even watching a video of people being refuse entry to a polling station, despite holding a judges ruling in their hand would begin to convince you.
November 8, 2020
I’m pleased that you too had a positive experience. But I wonder what oversight takes place over the composition of the electoral roll and the verification of the postal votes. That’s what desperately needs overseeing by the political parties.
November 8, 2020
Postal votes have changed everything, but let us hope not for ever. We must learn once and for all from this ghastly episode. They must be phased out except for genuine cases of need. Nothing beats pencil and paper in a local polling station under proper supervision and with observers from the parties if they wish.
November 9, 2020
When certain elections in the UK were disputed about postal votes, nothing was checked, students weren’t checked voting twice getting a postal vote in their parents home and voting in person at their university town as well many openly bragging about doing just this on social media.
November 8, 2020
Another election result stolen by socialists.
Corruption with mail-in votes at pandemic proportions.
Reply This report says very few ballots in the mail and doesn’t look like an attempted Democrat fraud case.
November 8, 2020
That example was but one report….
I can show more if you would permit?
November 8, 2020
Bryan Harris
What is the definition of a socialist and what other elections has been stolen, as I am not aware it has been proven taht this one has been stolen yet?
November 8, 2020
Brexit has been āstolenā.
November 8, 2020
I don’t have the time to fill in what you you lack in knowledge because you are unwilling to look…. However, for the benefit of our host I’ve posted some links … if he approves you will see them
November 8, 2020
A Republican governor in Maryland, Larry Hogan, said that he had not āseen any evidenceā of the election fraud alleged by the president.”
November 8, 2020
Maryland is solid Democrat. No fraud needed there.
November 8, 2020
Nothing, of course, to do with Hogan wanting to run for President in 2024?
November 9, 2020
Maybe just an honest man – why would he have seen any evidence?
It doesn’t mean there wasn’t any!
November 8, 2020
despite the above sentiments from Bryan Harris and reply from JR – it’s all stupid deluded stuff and a waste of time. Biden is an old man been in public service for fifty years and unlikely at this stage of his life to spring surprises or tear the house down- unlike Trump the master of chaos
November 9, 2020
You need to grasp what this is all about – if Trump wins the Democrats will be exposed for the crooks they are….and Biden is at the top of that tree.
Should the Democrats win, then you will surely regret it as they will impose themselves on the world like never before, in a most painful manner
I doubt you can justify in any way your statement that Trump causes chaos!
November 10, 2020
He is already interfering in our domestic affairs, and in a bullying overbearing way. He hasn’t even been elected yet.
November 8, 2020
Please kindly get back to the queue when it comes to getting a trade deal from the US.
Von der Leyen is awaiting Boris Johnsonās call any time now. I hope the Germans have kept a spare train carriage for the signature ceremony.
November 8, 2020
You didnāt want a trade deal with the USA all those chlorinated chicken and they were going to take over our NHS, we trade with them fine without one and new tariffs will be agreed whoever is in power. We should not being held to ransom to meet your agenda either.
November 8, 2020
All the more reason to pursue isolationist policies.
The only people we can rely on is ourselves.
November 8, 2020
It was a French railway carriage…. just saying.
November 8, 2020
The one where the armistice of 1918 was signed.
That’s trolling for you, German style.
November 8, 2020
Where will the signing of the Trade Deal be ? The Hall of Mirrors in Versailles, the Railway carriage in the forest of Compiegne, or in a field outside the village of Agincourt ?
November 8, 2020
Trump may have missed his opportunity.
He should have involved the police and the national guard immediately.
Deputised supporters to arrest fraudulent officials.
I doubt if the legal system will help him.
He has been marginalised and unseated by the Left ( plus censorship, fake news, COVID etc) and America is over.
What a tragedy.
But those leaders on the right ( are there really any?) just will not listen about giving in, being liberal and taking no firm action.
So we are doomed to follow the US into a communist dystopia and we will have brainwashed idiots to thank. Those who refused to THINK before they voted over many years.
November 8, 2020
Regarding the PROOF of electoral fraud.
Figurez-vous for a mo.
HOW DO YOU THINK THE SAME BEHAVIOUR,DURING VOTING, FROM THE REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED???
But as ever unwary and naive ( or in on the whole plot?) they just behaved like the good guys …and got walked all over!
November 8, 2020
Good guys who for, armed militias and besiege public offices, you mean?
November 8, 2020
*form
November 8, 2020
Republicans are reasonably afraid, their houses have been torched, they have been threatened, one Hispanic woman was dragged from her car. My cousin wore a Trump tee shirt in Florida, she was spat on and pushed, she had body guards but proved the point.
November 8, 2020
MiC
“besiege public offices”
You mean like the left wing infiltration of the state broadcaster and most publicly funded authorities.
Hypocrite
November 8, 2020
I would not call them good guys.
Iād call them real men.
November 8, 2020
The US election shows the corrupting effect of postal votes. We know it is wide open to fraud. We know it strips people of the secret ballot where coercion takes place. Whether voter fraud has taken place or not, doubt can be cast on it and so undermines the credibility of election results. The question then becomes why would politicians, who rely on the integrity of the vote, go along with this corruption of their authority?
The main lesson to be learned from the US election is to put an end to postal votes.
November 8, 2020
There is also this from
ļ»æJust the News:
“The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee filed a lawsuit Saturday in Arizona alleging ballots may have been improperly disregarded in Maricopa County, the state’s largest metropolis.
The suit alleged that some in-person votes were not counted because of improper guidance provided by poll workers in situations known as an “over-vote.”
āWhen a machine detects an over-vote on a ballot, poll workers should inform in-person voters of the error and give them an opportunity to correct the issue. Instead, poll workers in Maricopa County pressed, and told voters to press, a green button to override the error,ā the campaign said. āAs a result, the machines disregarded the voterās choices in the over-voted races.ā
Just one of many, many lawsuits going in.
November 8, 2020
Remember who introduced postal voting into the UK, for the same reason. Win at all costs.
November 8, 2020
Remind me Sir, wasn’t Al Gore “President Elect” for a month or so a few years back?
November 8, 2020
No, he never was. From the date of the election (06/11/2000) till 12/12/2000 (Supreme Court ruling for G.W.Bush) there was the recount (and legal questions around it) going on, about some 537 votes in Florida (the hanging chads) so Gore was never considered āPresident Electā.
November 8, 2020
He might meant that āThe Washington Timesā showed Gore (who ran against Bush the elder) as āPresident Goreā. Photo I think shows him being sworn in…not as President..but as Clintonās Vice President.
āFlorida pushes Gore over the top with bare majority.ā
They also did this with Hilary Clinton and āThe Chicago Daily Tribuneā claimed that Dewey had defeated Truman.
November 8, 2020
*have meant
November 8, 2020
The world may see a substantial margin of votes for Biden because that’s what the MSM wants it to see. They have been doubling down ever since the swing states called a halt to counting, in the early hours of the 4th. Bannon’s War-room news channels have been deliberately cut off, Twitter has blanked many users’ messages because it doesn’t like the content, Trump himself has more or less been cancelled. If this election had genuinely delivered a “fair” result, with few queries about the votes or counting, why would the media have any need for such vicious behaviour? It is another massive gaslighting scenario, just like as with the virus. No candidate should ever concede to fraudulent voting
November 8, 2020
+1 I donāt believe they have the right to do so. The peopleās will is supreme. If we can no longer trust the mechanics of voting, democracy is finished. During the Welsh Referendum much was done contrary to the Representation of the People Act because there was no ācandidateā. They were going to refuse to allow scruitineers. We had to cause a fuss. If they had made their announcement later, we would not have got it overturned.
November 8, 2020
The Remainers would tell Mr T to hold another election quick!
November 8, 2020
Ha!
November 8, 2020
Nice to imagine Redwood crying into his cornflakes and amusing to watch the orange aberration behave like a child whose toy has been removed . Nonetheless, there is a certain sadness in that the United Kingdom , by default , has regained it s title as the stupidest country, in the Western World.
America now has a man with experience of government running the shop . That must be nice , we may expect Blustering Boris to be invited for tea …ooo…I`d say just after the Mayor of the Pitcairn Islands ( if there is one )
November 8, 2020
I thought we were going to have a new kind of politics now. One for all stripes of voters, accepting differing opinions and not creating division and here you come along and just prove how wrong that is going to be.
The Guardian and their oh so āfairā and āavailable for everyoneā mantra just donāt see the blatant division they promote on a daily, piece by piece opinion piece:
āEducated urban voters are key to successā – what so people that voted Trump are āuneducatedā really! Thats inclusive and kind.
When Trumpās team hold a press conference its ābizarreā. But they write āthe era of demonisation endsā theyāve done nothing but demonise Trump and his millions of supporters many risking coronavirus in person voting because they didnāt trust the system.
This Biden/Harris canāt do anything wrong media love in is going to heal division, really? Biden told the BBC he didnāt want to talk to them because he was Irish did you see that clip? Youād think we were the 51st State today with the level of column inches, this is all very exciting for lots of people but if this is about moderate language your comment about the āUK being the stupidest Country in the Western Worldā is very Trumpy and makes you a hypocrite .
November 8, 2020
Well, to mix up a similarly-named garden centre with a prestigious hotel is quite comical, to say the least.
November 8, 2020
a-tracey
“I thought we were going to have a new kind of politics now”
yes, it’s called a punch up.
November 8, 2020
A-tracy, ‘his supporters were told to not use the sytem, i.e the postal service by Trump himself, who had defunded the USPS in an attempt to usurp democracy, and had told them coronavirus was a democratic plot.
November 9, 2020
I read that Richard over the weekend, I also saw lots of Democrats who they said were too fearful of covid to go out and vote in person, all stood cheek to jowl out on the streets when the media reported Biden and Harris had won the election.
The USA media say they want ‘evidence’ off Trumps team, they put a message on every right wing tweet and have cancelled lots of people, but no left wing people tweeting the most awful things, and threats have been sanctioned or cancelled and there were not warnings on the tweets from the Left saying Biden had won to say this has been disputed.
November 8, 2020
I think things are more complex than what you say. I would make a distinction between the Republican Party and Mr Trump.
The Republican Party both via its Senators and Representatives, has done much better than thought/forecast before the election. The Republicans have kept the Senate and have slightly improved their position in the HoR. Which would appear to show a continued support for the Party.
However this does not appear to have translated to a similar support for the President. Would it be possible to say that the divisive personality of Mr Trump has played a role in what looks very likely as his defeat?
November 9, 2020
Yet his popular vote went up.
November 13, 2020
Indeed Edward2, but the whole turn-out also increased and Biden got a few million more votes than DJT got. So what was your point?
I must admit you really have an incredible talent to write meaningless comments.
November 8, 2020
Experience of plagiarising speeches for sure!!
Zorro
November 8, 2020
Good grief…I very much doubt that JR eats cornflakes!
Croissants with unsalted butter possibly…but cornflakes!!!
Reply Neither of the above
November 10, 2020
Porridge and berries like us?
November 8, 2020
That would be running the government for profit.
November 8, 2020
Dear Newmania
I think the state of debate on this issue is already messy enough without you emptying a can of alphabet spaghetti with tomato sauce into a blunderbus and firing it in the direction of this blog page!
Easy now!
Thanks!
November 8, 2020
Biden won. Get over it. Trump is history. Get over it.
November 8, 2020
The President of Mexico, the nearest neighbour, is not recognizing the fraudsters until legal proceedings have concluded. That is not just politically prudent, but correct.
November 8, 2020
Zimbabwe is threatening sanctions because of the lack of āfree and fair electionsā.
November 8, 2020
Whether there was any substantial cheating on postal votes in the Presidential election, we will probably never know but, as the vast majority seem to have been disproportionally for Biden, I suspect there was. However, whether these were enough to change the result has to be in doubt. Whatever the case, Donald Trump needs to tone down the rhetoric and leave the argument for his lawyers to judge and comment on.
What is certain is that postal voting in our own electoral system is plagued by voter fraud, particularly in areas dominated by left wing councils and cities where there are large numbers of Asian voters who hold the heads of their extended families and their local community leaders in high esteem.
The government needs to make some changes to the electroral system starting now to ensure they are in place before the next general election.
Firstly they need to implement the very long overdue boundary changes and secondly totally reform the postal voting system. Personally, I would do away with it except for people who cannot physically get to the pooling booth.
November 8, 2020
It’s Remembrance Sunday when we fall silent at 11am and pay homage to those who laid down their lives to secure our freedoms and to crush the forces of oppression
I see the blog has failed to make reference to this most solemn occasion choosing instead to pander to Biden, an Irish American politician who supports and has supported in the past all those who fought for Irish reunification including Mr Adams
How utterly unfitting but this is the new Socialist Tory party and we must accommodate this new form of behaviour
Reply. I have laid a wreath earlier this week, tweeted today about Remembrance Day and will do a blog piece after the Wokingham Service where I Have recorded a reading which happens at 3 pm.
November 8, 2020
“So far Mr Trump has not produced such evidence.” I think this oft repeated assertion, like the recognition by the world leaders (but not Mexico’s), is premature. The case is coming to court on Monday. There are many witnesses to be called. If they are, does that not count as evidence? If the fraudsters were confident of their legitimacy, why did they suddenly rush out the “networks'” declaration to coincide with Giuliani’s press conference, when they had said it would be not before next week? Count every vote, they said.
As they love to say, not a good look.
Reply Yes, We will see what they produce in court. they need, however, to show thousands of votes in several states were fraudulent or wrongly counted to overturn the likely election of Mr B.
November 8, 2020
Reply to reply:
We aren’t talking about thousands of votes but tens of thousands. Detroit has a witness to 130,000 votes arriving by car and van in the small hours, during the period in which the counting had been stopped…the identical period for all those cities which suddenly stopped counting and in which the Trump vote was surging.
November 8, 2020
What’s to say they won’t?
Recounts in past elections are no guide here. Postal voting this time was massive.
November 8, 2020
I believe itās about 1.8 million fraudulent votes identified.
November 9, 2020
I believe in fairies at the back of my garden.
November 8, 2020
Many countries, including the US, have histories of voter fraud and even if Mr. Trump is only able to point out where voter fraud is feasible such that measures can be taken to ensure it cannot happen in the future then he will have done democracy in the US and elsewhere a great service.
November 8, 2020
Perhaps he should have been more diligent in pointing out Russian interference in 2016, probably far more significant in determining the outcome than the typical 0.0025 % attributed to actual voter fraud in elections.
November 9, 2020
Although the Russians (and Chinese etc.) probably did attempt to interfere in the 2016 US presidential elections, as they probably do in most elections held by countries of interest to them, there is no proof that it had any significant influence in this case.
I don’t know how you can be certain that voter fraud only amounts to 0.0025% in any election anywhere in the world.
And even in western democracies, if it’s not looked for it won’t be found.
November 8, 2020
I suspect President Elect Biden will have difficulty to genuinely unite the USA, rather than suppress its voices.
Even though I agree that Mr Biden clearly won, I think he should be on the side of President Trump in approaching the incumbentās democratic concerns. Whether they are genuine or not, they need to be tackled/clarified to ensure widespread confidence. These include;
(i) The statistical anomalies between the local and national level elections
(ii) Non-robust process
(iii) Rumours of corruption
(iv) Inadequate, impartial observation in some areas
(v) Reasons for rule changes specifically for this election
(vi) The effect of early voting in the context of ongoing debate
(vii) A social media that censored the President and journalists, notably the New York Post.
(viii) Pre-election polls that for months before the election have been so markedly wrong and will inevitably feedback into peopleās behaviour
(ix) A media that has largely attacked the President for 4 years, painting a character picture rather than examining the policies (this following the Democratsā slow walking of Trumpās cabinet)
(x) Rumours that Democrat billionaires should fund Democrat voters to move to swing/ run off states.
If Mr Biden cannot hear the voice of the current President he will definitely not hear the voice of many individual Americans. I suspect some of Trumpās supporters have the same concerns and will feel that the deck has been stacked. To unite the USA Biden will need to immediately address not suppress them. I suspect they will not be addressed.
(xi) Specifically on the Presidentās legal challenges, recognition should be given that this is, rightly or wrongly, often part of the USA process (I suppose the 2018 case of Stacey Abrams considering a legal approach to fight her loss is one in recent memory, without many of the concerns above).
November 8, 2020
Although President Elect Biden himself might be minded to listen to all of the USA (including those who support the basic premise of President Trump i.e. improve the lives of all Americans), I think the progressive/Chardonnay socialist/pseudo-intellectual wing of his Party are so far removed from many who are from lower socio-economic groups, working class, small c conservative, honour culture people that Biden will not be able to listen to them (even though as an individual he might). Trumpās policies have helped millions of these people (and his character and direct communication gave many their trust in him). It is not clear that Bidenās party will āallowā him to recognise and maintain these policies ā the policies and supporters have been vilified alongside the President. As Trump may have said āSadā.
At a selfish, personal level I am worried that President Elect Biden will follow President Obamaās failed international policies. Having come through the USA property and construction industry Trump had a clear understanding of the breadth of people that exist in the world, and that sometimes one has to go low.
November 8, 2020
The Mayor of London on Twitter admitting that āearly votersā helped Biden win and saying the same should be done to defeat Boris and the tories. (Sign up now to vote early).
Says it all really.
If Boris has any sense he will do away with postal votes NOW!
Unfortunately sense is rather a rare commodity…..
November 8, 2020
Boris will do nothing. He’s only got to capitulate on Brexit then he can retire to his lucrative writing career.
November 8, 2020
Ian Wragg
“Heās only got to capitulate on Brexit then he can retire to his lucrative writing career”
He won’t make it to retirement.
November 8, 2020
Who is going to buy a Boris book? Apparently Majesty Magizine canāt put the Sussexes on the cover because their sales go through the floor. We have the power to achieve much.
November 9, 2020
What about a Ā£250k/year weekly column in the Telegraph? Do you think readers will stop buying the newspaper if Borisā columns reappear there?
November 9, 2020
The newspaper must have thought his column would increase circulation.
It is a very competitive industry.
Columnists are soon let go if they don’t boost sales.
November 8, 2020
Yes, if you prevent those who would vote against you from voting, then you generally do win.
It’s just a tad un-democratic though.
November 8, 2020
A quiet comment on the US Presidential Election:
“And judgment is turned away backward,
and justice standeth afar off:
for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.”
Isaiah 59:14 : read on for the soon-to-be-fulfilled outcome, as time will tell.
November 8, 2020
However Mr. Trump is perceived personally he has confronted issues where the increasingly woke dominated USA refused to e.g. hypocrisy of Paris Accord, Iran nuclear deal, trade imbalances with China and Germany, EU empire, NATO financing and more. There is fraud in postal voting and it is an affront to democracy that it has been allowed to expand into a norm in both UK and USA.
He is clearly a genuine friend of the UK, his predecessor was not and his successor has given every indication his 8 years as VP reflects a similar view.
November 8, 2020
Funny you mention that because the Conservative Party are currently claiming its ok that their bf lost because they did not agree with him on environmental damage.
You would not have noticed this from the mysteriously numerous pro fossil fuel blog posts published by Sir John Redwood .
I think their point is that because they have not actually walked out of the Paris Accord they get a doggie biscuit .Similarly I have not beaten my wife today ( not yet anyway ).
They seem to think the fact Brexit . amongst other things threw the painstaking work to gain Peace in Ireland into chaos is someone else’s fault
No Brexit
No Problem
Seems simple to me
November 8, 2020
“Seems simple to me.” Newmania
And we all know you are a simple man!
November 8, 2020
Well, a new arrangement with the SM and CU and there’s no problem, certainly.
The silly brexit is done and dusted too anyway.
November 8, 2020
Newmania here you go again, not only did Boris not walk away from the Paris Accord, he gave a massive payment to the WHO when Trump walked away.
The daggers are out for Boris just popped up on my iPad even though I donāt subscribe to the Times – odd āthis weekend, one of Bidenās campaign team accused Johnson of making āracist commentsā in the past, compared Britainās immigration policies to Trumpās [how we have just let in thousands of boat people and put them into hotels and hostels?] and criticised British ministersā stance towards Black Lives Matter [because Raab did not do what the herd told him and get down on one knee to them, what have these people got in store for people who agree with Raab].
āThey do not think Boris Johnson is an ally,ā the Democratic source said. āThey think Britain is an ally. But there will be no special relationship with Boris Johnson.ā
This is the new gentler, bringing everyone together politics folks – but only if you agree 100% with them.
November 8, 2020
“No Brexit
No Problem”
Good idea, it’s about time we had a good punch up.
November 8, 2020
Boris is a keen greeny.
As are the majority in Parliament.
The UK is a signed up member of the Paris Agreement.
The UK has set a challenging target for carbon zero and passed the radical Climate Change Act.
So I cannot understand what you are complaining about.
November 8, 2020
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin’ my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay!
Bye bye Donald, bye bye.
Democracy always wins in the end.
Weāre coming for the Tory Brextemists next.
Reply You tried that in 2017 and 2019 and lost both times, the last time decisively on the Brexit issue. Why donāt you accept democracy when you lose?
November 8, 2020
Why you have to quote that racist song is anyoneās guess.
November 8, 2020
You sure chose one bad ole song there Andy.
Shame on you….and you a fully paid up member of the woke, pc brigade!
November 8, 2020
Reply to reply
How do you know it was the Brexit issue and not an unworkable opposition party?
November 8, 2020
I don’t think anyone with any kind of political passion “accepts democracy” when they lose. They switch to thinking about how to fight the next round. None of these questions are ever settled, and I include Brexit and Scottish independence in that despite the rhetoric of “once in a generation”. The battle is never-ending.
November 8, 2020
Andy gives a rendering of ‘Zip-a-dee-doo-dah’ from the Disney movie ‘Song of the South’, a film now widely condemned as ‘racist’. Oh the irony.
November 8, 2020
Weāre coming for the Tory Brextemists next.
Bring it.
November 9, 2020
What all 17 million of us?
November 8, 2020
That is absolutely ridiculous . The last election did not endorse the referendum result any more than every single election since the first confirmed the first .
A wafer thin majority obtained by disgraceful means is not , out of sheer common sense , a sound basis on which to turn the country upside down.
Without the calamity of Corbyn I doubt we would have left at all and when normal service is resumed as it is in America we can effectively re-join with great ease.
The Trump tribute act will be the next to go
November 8, 2020
Donald means World Leader. These pygmies have picked on the wrong chap. He believes in Democracy and will fight for it. If the people lose faith in the count, or in delivering the approved manifesto, there is no point voting. If any alien gets a vote having made no contribution to the country, then politicians donāt value votes.
When The Donald gets a proper count, he will stand aside if he loses. But the will not lose and the whole world knows that.
November 8, 2020
You say that democracy always wins and then you infer that the leave vote was in some way not a democratic decision ? Now that is just sad hypocrisy.
November 8, 2020
Dodgy dossier.
It’s widespread news now. This government cannot recover from it.
November 8, 2020
Nobody cares. I donāt know what you are talking about. What dossier?
November 9, 2020
The second lockdown is unjustified on unfounded stats that have not been shown to the public.
People do care and those that don’t certainly will soon.
November 8, 2020
I quote David Kurten, British politician and London Assemby member:
āOnce again the MSM has made a call that it should not have. It does not decide the winner of the US election. No results are yet certified, late ballots in Pennsylvania are invalid, and Trump will challenge industrial scale ballot fraud.ā
November 8, 2020
I wonder what is meant by ālate ballots in Pennsylvania are invalidā. Every state has its own rules. As I understand it as long as a vote was mailed on or before Election Day – in Pennsylvania it is a valid vote.
November 8, 2020
Quite right, Barbara, and Sir John and other Conservatives jumping onto the bandwagon should know far better.
November 8, 2020
The un-elected having influence isnāt new
The BBC reporting that Boris has caved-in to all the demands of the un-elected footballer Rashford
Maybe we should by-pass the voter or parliament all together and just get a panel of celebrates to make policy
November 8, 2020
Race, gender and sexuality are today the most potent political weapon known to man. Twas ever thus.
Democracy is dead, activism and violence is the new power in the land to force capitulation and extract demands from gutless, unprincipled, immoral political leaders
Johnson’s actions regarding this crap is an abuse of the taxpayer to finance tory party politics
I cannot put it into words the contempt most of us now have for those who pull those myriad levers of elected and unelected power
The UK is well and truly rogered
November 8, 2020
Is feeding hungry, possibly neglected young children, by-passing Parliament?
We now know what an uncaring society we live in to take days and an outcry to sort it out.
November 9, 2020
The more you feed their children for them, allowing people to dodge responsibility, the more children they’ll have. Then there’ll be an even bigger problem in the future.
I don’t know what the answer is – but kowtowing to celebrities is definitely not it.
November 9, 2020
Oh Jesus! So a footballer brought up in a single mother family having known a level of poverty, campaigns to provide food vouchers for hungry kids is a big mistake and encourages more casual attitudes to contraception.?
Dear God I hope you never get to run Dickens’ orphanage.
November 8, 2020
The reason the evidence has ānot yet been producedā, John, is because the legal process does not begin until next week.
November 8, 2020
In the shed of a landscaping business?
November 8, 2020
Mr Trump and his supporters should avoid behaving like Continuity Remain over Brexit and accept the vote. Even if some malpractice or errors are proven it will be at most a few tens or conceivably hundreds of thousands of votes. But Biden won by 4m. Trump has lost.
November 8, 2020
Mrs Clinton got 3 million more on the personal vote – California and New York probably – but that was not a reason to overturn the Electoral College then. If the vote had been a referendum the candidates would have campaigned differently. We don’t know how many legal votes Biden has got, and we may never know, so we can’t say he has won by 4 million votes. All we know is that Trump has got 71 million with the whole game stacked against him. A record. And that the Electoral College has not yet pronounced. This is not a bit like Remain.
November 8, 2020
Their Electoral College system seems to have the opposite effect from that which is intended. And, like our system, it makes it pointless voting for anyone in the states which are not battleground states – if the donāt support the party that always wins.
November 10, 2020
The intention is to stop States like California and New York dominating. The Founding Fathers wished to preserve the connexion of all the States to the body politic, each one different and unique, with its own history and culture.
November 8, 2020
+1
November 8, 2020
Well said, Rose.
November 8, 2020
In the type and style of elections we have in the US and the UK, it is forgotten that those fall into the position they seek didn’t ‘win’, it was the other guy that lost.
Our systems give us the least disliked, not the most liked. Its what happens next that secures any semblance of a future for them.
Boris will do OK when he stops listening to those around him and starts listening and hearing the people that will keep him in power. Oh so often those that get power in a Democracy forget they are lent it, is not theirs.
You can work for the Country or your personal gang that strokes you ego. You cant do both
November 8, 2020
Trump listened to the people who put him in and that is why he was destroyed by the MSM.
November 8, 2020
Ian
“Boris will do OK when he stops listening to those around him and starts listening and hearing the people that will keep him in power”
Boris Johnson is finished, as are the alleged conservative party.
To be honest, most of us don’t care whether or not he delivers the Brexiteer’s Brexit. He’s broken too many promises and is beyond forgiveness no matter what he does now.
For me, and a great many others Boris tiddled in his chips on 15th Oct.
Then there’s the great covid scam.
And now we have the licking of a united Ireland sympathiser’s boots.
Nobody who has recently threatened our country and sovereignty is walking around with any humiliation whatsoever.
Bunch of gutless wimps. Not what I voted for, and what I will certainly use my vote against at the next election, even if it means voting for Starmer I will use my vote to sling out these disgraceful cowards masquerading as conservatives.
November 8, 2020
Sir John, Biden is not President Elect as no results have been certified and the Electoral College has not met. You would be wise to refer to Biden as President Elect Presumptive.
November 8, 2020
Does the Electoral College meet? All 538 of them get together somewhere and formally cast their votes? When and where does this happen?
November 15, 2020
They don’t vote all together but meet in their own states.
November 8, 2020
anybody else staking a claim?
November 8, 2020
An american website I read takes the view that this is another coup attempt against Trump. Let us hope this can be resolved relatively peacefully.
November 8, 2020
The evidence regarding large scale voter fraud will be presented to the courts via the proper legal channels, and not to the media or UK politicians, Sir John. You, Sir John, nor I, have any idea at all of what evidence has already been submitted, as you are not party to it, nor should you be. You thus have no authority to claim that P Trump has not presented evidence of fraud.
I am surprised that you have apparently jumped on the bandwagon, when caution and patience are key while legal determinations are made. Additionally an accurate knowledge of electoral processes and how, and by whom, the winner is declared. As one pundit stated: the US media obviously failed in Civics.
November 8, 2020
It seems unlikely that Trump would take legal action unless he was convinced that he had a good case. The Government’s rush to congratulate Biden seems premature. Raab’s comments this morning, as tweeted by Nick Gutterige, are worrying ambiguous:
November 8, 2020
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It seems unlikely that Trump would take legal action unless he was convinced that he had a good case. The Governmentās rush to congratulate Biden seems premature. Raabās comments this morning, as tweeted by Nick Gutterige, are worrying ambiguous:
November 8, 2020
I don’t claim to know whether there has been election fraud in the US or not. A few thoughts though:
Lack of evidence: Maybe not so far, but evidence usually starts off as mere suspicion or information.
Postal voting: I understand that France only allows postal voting in very exceptional circumstances for the entirely reasonable reason that the ‘chain of evidence’ in the process should be as short as possible.
Reputation: No Western country wants to admit that its election process may be at fault. No investigation means no history of fraud.
November 8, 2020
I was very pro Leave and I am sure bored my wife to death on the subject. I thought she agreed with me. About 3 years after the referendum she admitted she had voted to Remain. If we had voted using a postal ballot, if we had done it at the same time – in the same room, she might have felt pressured to vote the way I was voting – as she knew how strongly I felt about it. In some patriarchal households the patriarch decides how everyone in the household should vote. This is why a secret ballot is so essential.
Also, in areas where a political party has lots of supporters, those supporters can put pressure on vulnerable people to … āwhy donāt you complete the vote now and Iāll post it for you. Iāll fill it in for you, if you like.
It is not perfect but a secret ballot, in person at a voting station, is the best we have got. In my opinion postal votes should be restricted to those with reasons that make it physically difficult to vote in person.
November 8, 2020
Trump lost because he was politically inexperienced.
He had no proper campaign strategy, he continued to insult everyone up until the last week, even and including Biden in the first debate.
He only got to campaign in a more sensible manner after 40 million had already made up their minds and voted.
His attitude to covid did not help either, and was the last straw for many people.
November 8, 2020
Interesting to observe how UK media and politicians have so overtly acknowledged Biden as President-elect even though the legal processes have not been completed, and in some cases not yet begun. Is the intention to create the impression as a fait accompli regardless of whatever fraud or misdemeanours may subsequently be proven? This is the culmination of 4 years efforts by the Democrats and their media voicepieces to unseat President Trump in one way or another.
November 8, 2020
Why can’t UK government invest big time in Test & Trace (technology and the personnel to run and implement)
Then the vast majority of the country can return fully to work, go to the cinema, to weddings and parties and having a good time, going to church, whatever.
And our economy remains buoyant.
November 8, 2020
Anyone noticed that those loudly criticising President Trump’s legal action are the very same people who cheered Gina Miller’s attempts to overturn the democratic will of the British people? Funny, that
November 8, 2020
The voting system used in the US tends towards āglitchesā transferring substantial numbers of votes from one candidate to the other.
Certainly needs investigating.
November 8, 2020
Sir John, you seem to have followed some big beasts into a heffalump trap! The media called it incorrectly in 2000 &1948 and zero states have officially confirmed Biden.
Reportedly unprecedented numbers of issues have been identified, the election software “glitches” alone may be massive.
Best to let due process take its course without presuming the outcome. Be like the Mexican President, not like the BLM agitators in DC.
November 8, 2020
Sir John,
Whatever happened to your resolution not to comment on another country’s election?
Just couldn’t help yourself, ha? The power of the media.
Whatever is being said publicly, everyone is watching and learning.
Skulduggery’s afoot and blueprints are being formed even as we discourse.
Just wait till the next UK election.
Reply I made n o comment before people voted, which is good practice.
November 8, 2020
Dear John, There has been no official result published in the American Election. Some media outlets have announced for their preferred candidate, but tomorrow morning there are numerous court cases where arguments will be heard.
The MSM keeps repeating that “Trump has produced no evidence for these claims” – which is very misleading, in fact, the following has been found and documented :
:Statistical Impossibilities in Wisconsin and Michigan
:Bidenās Vote Tallies Violate Benfordās Law
:Senate and House Races Compared to Presidential Seem Curious
:Massive Enthusiasm Gap
:Pennsylvania Chaos – Multiple violations of election law and norms
:Confirmed Errors
:Ā Computer Software “glitch” in Michigan
:Ballots Received After Election Day
:Thousands of Deceased Confirmed to Be Registered and Some Even Voting
:More Votes cast than Existing Registered Voters
None of these is trivial, and there is enough evidence to expect that the court will agree to investigate some or all of these allegations.
My concerns are that any potential Biden presidency will have been gained under the most unsavoury conditions. After every UK election we are faced with similar allegations, and the UK authorities should be looking very carefully to ensure that our elections are run under tighter regulations that has been the case to avoid loss of trust in our democratic systems.
November 8, 2020
To remind, you, Sir John, some wise words from Senator Josh Hawley:
Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
“The media do not get to determine who the president is. The people do. When all lawful votes have been counted, recounts finished, and allegations of fraud addressed, we will know who the winner is”.
November 8, 2020
District of Columbia voted 93.35% for Biden and 5.24% for Trump.
November 8, 2020
Dear Sir John–Trump is not obliged to disclose any evidence he has to the wretched media for them to salivate over. Necessarily that would of course change rapidly before a Court. I suspect that whatever evidence he has will be insufficient or unfit for purpose but we don’t know that. He could yet be playing a blinder. Wouldn’t bet on it though unfortunately.
November 8, 2020
A lie goes once around the world in the time it takes for the truth to get its boots on:
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/many-200000-wisconsin-residents-may-have-voted-absentee-without-having
November 8, 2020
Rudi Giuliani has said the lawsuits will be filed on Monday. At that point we will see what sort of case President Trump has.
The examples of malpractice and voter fraud quoted everywhere on the internet seem persuasive to me, but only a court can decide, probably the Supreme Court in the end. Until then, when the BBC says that Mr Trump’s claims are false or without evidence, they are merely showing their bias. No surprise there.
Can you please ask the world king to get along and defund them asap, or will this be another Boris bodge?
November 8, 2020
JR
“So far Mr Trump has not produced such evidence.”
That’s for the investigative authorities to establish, the problem being most judges in the US are left wing democrats, hence biased.
November 8, 2020
Bryan Harris
What is the definition of a socialist and what other elections has been stolen, as I am not aware it has been proven taht this one has been stolen yet?
November 8, 2020
You are right, āthisā one has not yet been stolen and will not be allowed to be stolen. But Brexit has been stolen from the British. The fraudulent politicians, purporting to deliver Brexit and working against it, are yet to be brought to book. They have spent Billions! The reliant Robin civil service has spent a billion a month on advisors i.e. people to do their job for them because they donāt know what to do. Boris is thinking of setting up a Government Advisory Service. Isnāt that the Civil Service that already costs us an arm and a leg? Sack the civil servants as they themselves say they canāt do the job.
November 8, 2020
To see Starmer at our Cenotaph today paying homage to our dead at this most sacred monument when only 3 months before he was taking the knee to pay homage to a Marxist revolutionary sect namely the BLM who pissed on this self same monument and burnt our flag is simply unacceptable
To see this authoritarian PM at the side of Starmer with that gormless look on his face is even worse considering he played the Churchillian card to get his party elected into government
What a stain our war dead that these people should even be allowed near this monument
November 8, 2020
You are in the wrong place with your post again bill..
November 8, 2020
I can imagine JR, that your little band of Redwoodian “denialists”, must be having suicidal thoughts; you and they being disciples of the now dethroned demigod Trump. Likely, Trump minor, known as Boris, will follow a similar fate shortly. The US election has put little UK; call it Brexitania, in nowhere land between the US and EU. I would be interested in another of your “Blue Peter” solutions to this problem.
November 9, 2020
I don’t have suicidal thoughts.
I just go out and do more chin ups and press ups to get it out of my system. The Left have been fantastic motivation for me.
9 chin ups and 45 press ups Royal Marines style today. I’m nearly 60.
November 9, 2020
What are you going on about acorn, the Brexit election was before Trump was elected when Obama said we were at the back of the queue, are we the American 51st state after all?
November 8, 2020
Lammy says Biden is a ācenteristā
Raab says āwe have full faith in the checks and balances of the US electoral systemā
Javid says āthe U.K. has more in common with Bidenā
Dem senator sings Borisā praise!
Damned out of their own mouths!
November 8, 2020
They have laid bare their globalist credentials, for it is the globalists in the USA (principally radical left Democrat), in collaboration with the CCP China, I believe, who are responsible for trying to destroy P Trump’s presidency.
They will not succeed as I believe that the administration has (and will collect more) irrefutable evidence of large scale voter fraud, including HAMMER and SCORECARD, which will bring down the Democrats.
P Trump is no fool, and he knew that this election would expose their deceit. All he had to do was to be ready for them, and I believe he was. Wuhan COVID and the rush to promote widely mail-in voting was no accident.
November 8, 2020
Iām afraid that you English are so keen to accept the results of elections, to demonstrate your democratic credentials, that even if they are rigged you acquiesce.
So the U.K. has almost been extinguished because you accepted the rigged 1975 Wilson Referendum.
Now you accept the US becoming communist, under the heel of China, because itās ungentlemanly to question the voracity of election officials.
If politicians canāt fight for the people we need representatives who are not politicians, like Donald J Trump.
November 9, 2020
Lynn Atkinson
” If politicians canāt fight for the people we need representatives who are not politicians, like Donald J Trump.”
Liars, boasters and braggarts you mean? No thank you. The man was a menace and a danger to world peace.
November 9, 2020
Margaret – Take your head out of the sand, stop listening to the MSM turn off the TV and Do your own research it is all available. However you maybe so far to the left that there is no possiblity of saving you and many other left wing idiots. Donald Trump has forged Peace with North Korea after the Clintonites and Obuma and the MSM, both here and in the USA, who told us there would be a nuclear war – which they wanted. Cleaned up Saudi Arabia. Brought the troops home after endless wars which were instigated by the Globalists and the Military Industrial Complex with the assistance of the UK. Forged Peace in the Middle East.
Ask yourself who ruined Libya.Who ruined Iraq.Who tried to ruin Syria. It was not Donald Trump. The UK is no angel in any of these conflicts. These are just a few of many things achieved by donald Trump. 47 years Biden has been in office and he achieved NOTHING other than malfeasance and corruption in China Ukraine Russia.
I could go on….
November 8, 2020
Gov. Cuomo says politicians will take ‘different tone’ on COVID-19 after Trump loss. I have removed the link but google it, you could not make this stuff up.
November 8, 2020
I have a sneaking suspicion that you might be rowing back on this in the not too distant future š
zorro
November 8, 2020
Biden doesn’t hate anyone but he won’t put up with bullies and that’s what he sees in Boris and a lot of the ERG crowd- trying to soften the tone now won’t help mush either
November 9, 2020
He sees the BBC as bullies too, it seems.
“I’m Irish.” to a perfectly reasonable question that wasn’t “What nationality are you ?”
November 9, 2020
Keith, I agree that Biden seems on the face of it a calmer presumed President but he is bullying, he is bullying the UK. We are reading reports that he is ‘supporting the Irish position over the UK’ see Reuters and the Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney. What is that intervention if not direct bullying on the UK to conform and comply to a minor Country when we gave them so much such as the common travel area and allowed to vote in UK elections when they chose Independence, then we went on to give them considerable financial support and dropped their agreed loan repayment rate? They should stop creating bad feelings between Ireland and the UK again all of them.
This weekend one of Obama’s aides called Boris a ‘shape shifting creep’ is this the new kinder gentler bringing together politics we can expect? Biden’s campaign team this weekend accused Boris of making ‘racist comments’ and compared Britains immigration policies to Trump (really we’ve just allowed in thousands fleeing France and put them in hostels and hotels?) and then he went on to criticise Raab’s stance towards BLM. What someone isn’t allowed to have an opposing view now without getting bullied about that?
My kids are happy about Biden – they don’t realise the implications.
November 9, 2020
I urge patience and caution, Sir John. The legal submissions from President Trump’s team start tomorrow, so you are not likely to have evidence from the Trump team, yet.
Just ponder a minute, do you really think that President Trump was not prepared for this happening: large scale voter fraud to try to secure a victory in the election. The methods used are well known, and several produce typical patterns, easily detected by basic tools employed in forensic accounting.
Look up Benford’s Law and how when it is applied to the Michigan results there is a very interesting outcome indeed. That is only for starters. Also try looking up about the HAMMER voting system (including who makes/markets it, the political affiliations etc, and the fact that it is employed in the key swing states, but rejected by Texas because they did not deem it secure). Linked to that is the SCORECARD application. Plenty to research on that and the specific voting patterns it produces, which can result in statistically improbable/impossible results. There is much more that will come out. We are in very early days yet.
November 9, 2020
If you think there is no evidence of election fraud, you arnt looking, if there is nothing to hide why were so many republican observers refused access to watch the counting of mail in ballots?
November 9, 2020
I still think it was a mistake to write a rather obsequious letter to the ”President Elect”, congratulating him for his ”win”, in view of all the questions hanging over this election.
Reply The letter was not obsequious and stated that all due process was needed to count legal votes.
November 9, 2020
Mr Trump hasn’t so far produced evidence because the enquiry hasn’t begun yet.
What should he do? Hand it out to the MSM for scrutiny?
November 10, 2020
That seems to be the way Johnson et al do it in this country. They trail a likely policy to the Press see the public reaction, sometimes with backbenchers not knowing what is going on, I suspect. Bypasses Parliament, and means that the media is given permission to inflate, or spin, as they wish, thus effectively controlling the narrative and trying to mould public opinion. It is wrong and a dishonest way of governing.