Change at No 10

The decision of the two Vote Leave advisers to move on must not get in the way of an early end to the talks with the EU and a clear decision to leave without a bad Agreement. Only if the EU has removed its demands for our fish, to control our laws and to impose their Court as part of an Arbitration system is it worth continuing talks about a Free Trade Agreement.

I have always urged the UK to prepare for No Deal, as it was always possible the EU would fail to deliver the Free Trade Agreement that is in their interest. They promised one in the Political Declaration then failed to propose one.

No Deal has always been better than a bad deal. It seems the EU only wishes to offer a bad deal, so let’s get on with leaving the single market. Weak UK negotiating under the previous government where Parliament was determined to help the EU not us made getting a good deal less likely. We now need to enforce the sovereignty clause in the Withdrawal Act.

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323 Comments

  1. turboterrier
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    The props to the trap door are slowly being taken away and the noose that the PM has put around his neck will hang him. He is not upto the job and should announce his leaving programme, he has failed on too many fronts and I do not believe he has a strong enough cabinet with his best interests at heart. Once again the curse of people playing lip service whilst concealing their own hidden agendas. Time for the old proven parliamentary veterans to man the walls and get us repelling these attacks from every quarter of society. If it was not so serious it would be a joke , but no one one in the real world is laughing. They are beyond contempt. Their leader has and is failing the country on everything so is it any wonder we have no united joined up thinking. The lights are on but there is no one at home.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

      Indeed. It looks horribly like we are being lined up for a capitulation to the EU, as some of us have feared for some months. Our establishment always sells us out. Every time. The Leave supporters in No.10 objected so had to go. An appalling situation which confirms Boris is now merely a passenger.

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

      Too true Turbo. People from the North will never take the risk of voting Conservative again. They will have been totally let down as we all have if Boris doesn’t deliver Brexit.

      • Robert McDonald
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:49 am | Permalink

        Ah, that famous doom laden word again “if”.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:51 am | Permalink

        …Lifelong Conservative people from the north will never take the risk of vote ing Conservative again if Boris is allowed to blow Brexit. And don’t ask how we will vote – the voting is over!

  2. Sir Joe Soap
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    It would have been nice to have seen a clean, not a messy, end to this Brexit debacle.
    Everything this lot touch turns into a mess.
    This will be no excpetion.

    • Hope
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

      JR, the fact you blogged about it knowing there will be outcries as a warning to caving in shows you are concerned. Johnson is devoid of a backbone, an invertebrate and jelly fish. So you should be very worried. We all should be because as a record of fact he will run away or cave in.

      We all knew EU could not agree a fair deal because the rest would leave. It’s only hope was for U.K. To agree a bad deal to act as a warning for other countries not to leave. Traitor May obliged and more.

      Frost already reported to have given another concession on fishing for Barnier to consider. Frost and Sunak accept negotiations about goods but not financial services? Why? IDS and his think tank made it clear a lot of wasted time talking about goods when financial services should be in the mix as it is more important to UK economy.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

      There will be no end to dealings with the European Union, nor to disputes about what should be their aims.

      Elections will be fought over them, for the rest of time until the UK rejoined, if it ever did.

      That is for what you have voted, not for the end, but for the beginning, of Europe dominating our news for years and years.

      • NickC
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

        Martin, We were offered the options of Remain or Leave. We chose Leave. We could have exited the EU in 2017. The mess we have now is entirely due to EU fellow travellers here: it is a Remain mess.

        • Garland
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:59 am | Permalink

          So we aren’t getting frictionless trade as Leave promised and Remain pointed out was impossible outside the EU – but that is Remain’s fault. We aren’t getting even roll over of existing trade deals, never mind any new ones, as as Leave promised and Remain pointed out was impossible outside the EU – but that is Remain’s fault. The German carmakers have shrugged their shoulders at loss of UK markets and said to the UK “your problem, not ours” … our fish are going to get hoovered up by EU boats …. Northern Ireland is now more part of the EU than it is part of the UK etc etc , all obvious very bad results of Brexit but in your head the fault of those who said Brexit would lead to very bad results

          • NickC
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:08 am | Permalink

            Garland, Leave did not “promise” frictionless trade. It couldn’t. The whole point of leaving the EU is to separate ourselves from the EU empire. A fair trade deal was in theory possible, but I, and many other Leaves thought that would not happen. We knew the EU was the enemy. We were right.

            However the readiness of the Remain establishment to capitulate handed all the negotiating advantages to the EU. So, yes, this is a Remain result – something you have worked to achieve. It has occurred because we would not walk away, which Remain has prevented with a first-class, but entirely cynical, campaign to demonise no-deal.

          • Edward2
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:57 am | Permalink

            What is frictionless trade?
            Asking as someone who has actually bought and sold goods to and from both EU and non EU countries.
            PS
            Your German car industry claim is nonsense.

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:52 am | Permalink

            There has NEVER been ‘frictionless trade’. Maybe only you and Boris don’t know this fact?

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

        You are wrong.

      • Edward2
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

        As they become a diminishing power in the world, (and their share of world trade is reducing) so a revitalised free UK will emerge and grow,

        • bill brown
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

          Edward 2

          the developed world’s past of world trade has been diminishiing as part of wordl tarde for many years and this includes US, Canda and Australia.
          THe story of Britain is the same and the trend will continue, even if our trade grow with other nations.
          So, what you have written as usual makes little sense.

          • Edward2
            Posted November 15, 2020 at 10:16 am | Permalink

            Good excuse bill.
            But a truly dynamic EU should not show long term reduction in its share of world trade.
            Especially as it has grown to 28 members.
            Those extra nations should improve the figure.
            But they have not.

      • No Longer Anonymous
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

        Martin.

        Europe is such a success that it’s just lost one of its best members.

        You called us racists. The most offensive thing you can say to anyone these days.

        Which is why you’re now enjoying Brexit or the denial of Brexit.

        Either way. You’re getting free rent in my head and wasting so much time on this blog site when you should be enjoying retirement.

        Today I did 13 chin ups with a 10k sandbag around my waist. I did 50 70k deadlifts and 60 40k squats and I did it thinking of you and Andy.

        You’re both such great motivation for me.

        • hefner
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:42 am | Permalink

          Joe Wicks?

          • Narrow Shoulders
            Posted November 17, 2020 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

            No Wicles would have put it on the tele. Self publicist

  3. Lifelogic
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Exactly – but what does the Boris/Symonds partnership have planned on Brexit? We already know they want to piss £millions down the drain on job destroying subsidies for expensive and damaging green crap and ever more laws & green crap red (or is it green?) tape.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

      Will Rashford get say too on policy as well as Carrie?

      • Hope
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

        Suggest you read articles in Con Woman today on Fake Tory spending. It is depressing. All the facts clearly demonstrate this is NOT a Conservative govt or has been for the last ten years. Their record in govt on the economy is horrendous.

        Read the article in Con Woman about decree by MSM and Social media companies telling you what the truth is. Then read the article how Wiltshire Council disciplined Mrs Douglas for daring to have a thought of her own against the accepted woke left view that Fake Tories feel they must uphold.

        State intervention is becoming a detriment to our way of life. Selecting people on minority quotas rather than ability, you must accept group think of minority causes, double standards of law enforcement show this will be the case and you will comply. The rotten BBC to impose the states (Fake Tory Govt.) Marxist cultural agenda is real.

        • Lifelogic
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

          Will take a look.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

      Lifelogic, For Brexit – we still don’t know for sure. Even though it is only 48 days to go! Some planning, eh? But it is looking increasingly likely it will be a capitulation. Again. To add to all the other sell outs our establishment has accomplished over the last half century.

    • Simeon
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think Cummings going has anything to do with Brexit, an issue that was essentially settled at the last election. Neither do I think Cummings was standing against the ‘damaging green crap’. I think whatever changes are coming are a matter of style, not substance. This is no more than an intra-factional dispute resulting from personality clashes. It is as messy as it is because Johnson is devoid of substance, blown hither and thither by the merest breath of wind.

      • NickC
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:13 am | Permalink

        Simeon, A storm in a tea-cup? That seems an extraordinarily optimistic view of the departure of the most senior Leave advisor.

        • Simeon
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:15 am | Permalink

          Being the brains behind the Vote Leave campaign and being a proper Brexiter are not necessarily the same thing. Government handling of the Brexit process has been an establishment stitch up from the day after the referendum. Either Cummings participated in this, or he was happy to leave it to others. Whichever, his going makes no difference to Brexit, or Brino as it is.

          Cummings was interested in civil service reform (which is necessary, though Cummings’ plans were predictably silly), and state-driven technology and data. There will likely be much less emphasis placed on these, which, as someone who values my freedom, cannot be a bad thing.

      • Stred
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

        If Johnson appointed his girlfriend’s friend as the main spokesperson for the Leave campaign when she is from the biased BBC and Guardian and both are Remainers, is it surprising that there will be differences of opinion? Now that it has come to s head and the women objected to the appointment of Leaver civil servants, Johnson has made his choice and undermined his own negotiating position.

        As soon as the news came of the sacking, radio stations had Tory Remainer MPs, even Grieve, supporting the move. They used the same language of “reset and fresh start, accusations of upsetting civil servants, and repeating the accusations about the trip to his home in the North when Cummings and his wife caught the virus ‘ This is untrue, as the regulations did allow travel to protect children and vulnerable people and there was no limit to distance. This has the appearance of an organised Remain plot.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

      Hundreds of Billions

  4. Lester Cynic Beedell
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Interesting comment on Conservative Woman, What Carrie wants, Carrie gets

    So now we know where the Greencrap is coming from, so we know who’s in charge of the government, I’d have voted for the Green Party if that’s what I wanted.

    A zillion square miles of the ocean are now protected but Great Britain is rapidly going down the pan

    • Lester Cynic Beedell
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

      My comment is awaiting moderation, what a joke you are!

      • Lester Cynic Beedell
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

        Sorry!

  5. Mike Durrans
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Sir,

    I’m in agreement with your proposal, most of us did not want any deal in the first place as we are sick of listening to the nasty remarks from eu spokesmen like Verhofstadt and Barnier , I ‘m sure Barney will not find a level playing field anywhere in the eu and definately non in France.
    Time now to follow our forefathers and stride out and make money worldwide.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

      Mike D, So true.

    • margaret howard
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:49 am | Permalink

      Mike Durrans

      “Time now to follow our forefathers and stride out and make money worldwide.”

      The trouble with this scenario is that we ditched the very people we now hope to trade with. When we joined the EU we cancelled our trade with Australia and New Zealand overnight bankrupting lamb exporters/producers and dairy farmers. They had to look east for new markets and are not likely to ditch them for our sakes.

      And with Biden in the White House any trade deals will depend on our dealings with Ireland.

      And to think we had it all and threw it away. But maybe Carrie will ride to the rescue?

      • BJC
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:54 am | Permalink

        I don’t ever recall voting Ms Symonds into power. Be in no doubt, though, the fragrant Ms Symonds is just as ruthless as Mr Cummings, she’ll simply strike with full force whilst wearing an angelic smile on her face.

        • glen cullen
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:34 am | Permalink

          +1

        • hefner
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:03 am | Permalink

          I don’t recall ever voting for any special adviser. Did you vote for Mr Cummings or Cain? Mr A. Campbell? or Alan Walters? or John Redwood in 1982?

          Have any of you any historical perspective? or are you more likely just flotsam moved around in the daily news cycle? (And taking yourself too seriously …)

          • Edward
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

            Advisors advise.
            Ministers decide.

      • NickC
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:17 am | Permalink

        Margaret H, And yet you advised us to ditch our friends and embrace our enemies! You still do.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:53 am | Permalink

          +1 yes, ‘clutch the serpent to your breast…’

        • bill brown
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

          NickC

          Just because she disagrees with you the answer is no it is not teh case

  6. Ian @Barkham
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    It is naïve to believe the EU wants any sort of trade deal with the UK, regardless of the damage it will do to some sectors of the EU economy.

    These whole negotiations have focused on the EU controlling the internal commerce, rules and laws that govern the every day live of the people in the UK. From the information and pronouncements we hear the likes of Barnier, the UK is Sovereign as long as the EU makes the laws and disciplines the people of the UK. One of his team is famous for saying(thinking he was off camera) after May signed the WA ‘the UK is our colony now.’

    The UK will only take back control when it ensure a ‘clean break’ from the EU. That is all that was proposed in the referendum and that is all anyone voted for. This Government is taking a wreaking ball to the wishes of the people and frankly like everything else of late they don’t seem to care.

    • Longinus
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:06 am | Permalink

      The only clean break I am expecting is from the Tory party by the British people. If democracy doesn’t work then how do we get what we want as a nation?

      • NickC
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:18 am | Permalink

        I hear Brexit party support is soaring.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

        We are all thinking the same thing I suspect.

    • James Pollan
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:20 am | Permalink

      It is 100 per cent false to claim that a ‘clean break’ from the EU was what was proposed in the referendum. Every single leader of the leave campaign – Farage, Gove, DuncanSmith, Hannan, davis – said explictly that we would not leave the single market and that trade with the EU would be as easy as it is now.

      reply Not true. Both sides agreed we would leAve the single market and customs union.

      • NickC
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:32 am | Permalink

        James P, On one interview with Andrew Marr, Prime Minister David Cameron said 28 times that Leave means leaving the EU’s single market. All the leading politicians agreed that we would no longer be members but, like the rest of the world, maintain access under WTO rules. The Remain campaign even had a campaign about it, likening us to Albania after Leave. What was the point of you lying about this?

        • James Pollan
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

          Leave won, Nick. Not Remain. So it doesn’t matter what Remainers said, whatever they said was rejected by the British people. The British people voted for Leave. And what did they say? That only a madman would leave the single market – Owen Paterson. That no one is talking about leaving the single market – Dan Hannan. that we will be like Norway – Farage . That we would have the exact same benefits after Brexit – David Davis. You accuse me of lying, but i don’t say the same about you. I just wish you would open your eyes and see how the Leavers are now trying to rewrite history as Brexit’s failures are exposed

          • Helen Smith
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

            Come on, you know as well as I did Owen didn’t say that and that that quote like the others was selectively cut and pasted by James McGrory, see the interview with Andrew Neil if you don’t believe me.

      • Mike Wilson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:02 am | Permalink

        And people accuse Brexiteers of lying! You are lying through your teeth! Cameron and Osborne l, to name but two of the leading Remainers, said very explicitly that a vote to leave meant LEAVING THE SINGLE MARKET.

        You will not get away with attempting to rewrite history here, matey!

  7. Iain Gill
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    agreed.

    lets hope if happens.

    if not the real people are going to be very cheesed off with the political class and senior public sector.

  8. Sharon Jagger
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Good post, and just finished watching you on Unlocked! Thanks for your positivity and enthusiasm.

    I’m sick of emailing my MP, but I’ll keep at it to keep on the pressure!

    • steve
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

      “I’m sick of emailing my MP, but I’ll keep at it to keep on the pressure!”

      Better off biding your time…..then pounce on your MP when he / she least expects it.

  9. Newmania
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Twas only yesterday I remarked that there were signs the Conservative Party wanted any distance between them and this disaster they could get .
    No Deal is not the end – The bad feeling will go on. The simplest act of cooperation will be impossible and we will discover it is not only Brexit’s bitter old men who are capable of malice. We can expect on going ill will from Europe as well . False teeth may be spat out , here , but the people on whom the country depends have no interest in a pointless battle that benefits no-one and we cannot afford it anyway.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

      Newmania, The problem has been the continuing malice from the EU – “how dare they leave?!!” You have never produced one single reason why the UK cannot be independent of the EU like the majority of nations on the planet.

  10. Ian Wragg
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Trouble is we are now ruled by Carrie Symonds who no one elected.
    It would seem she is instrumental in removing VoteLeave so Boris can be skidded into accepting a rubbish deal.
    If he gives a millimetre to Brussels a leadership campaign must begin immediately.
    We are 50 days from exit and most people are expecting a massive U turn.
    With Farage on manoeuvres you must know that any betrayal will be the end of the Tory Party for generations
    Boris wanted a Churchillian legacy but it looks more like Lord Halifax.

    • Hope
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

      Ian,
      Sammi Wilson made the Lord Halifax point in parliament. It is clear for all to see.

      Suggest JR, IDS and others get Johnson’s feet to the fire ASAP. He will run or cave in to the EU.

    • Walt
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

      +1

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

      Nowhere near Halifax – this is a ‘novel’ PM who has failed on an unprecedented scale.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 15, 2020 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

        It is Tory voters who failed worse though.

        Your willingness to believe the preposterous nonsense spouted by Johnson et al during the election shows very clearly that you would do the country a favour by staying our of things into which you clearly have no insight.

    • Robert McDonald
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:00 am | Permalink

      I’m not expecting a U turn. I am of course afraid that Brexit may be Brino, but the signs are promising that the eurocracy will act in the best interests of the 27 and agree a FTA. If not we will do what we in the UK do best, we will survive, move on and thrive doing trade with the rest of the world, including the USA. Yes, the USA, one thing about the USA is that it is all about business, and businesses do trade.

  11. A.Sedgwick
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    I have never expected anything but letdown from Boris, so not surprised at turn of events or the scale of ultimate Brexit betrayal.

    • glen cullen
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:36 am | Permalink

      +1

  12. Ian @Barkham
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    So many of the establishment and the EU of course are looking at the news and speculation and seeing a change of direction from the UK government. It has been a long fight but they see it as a sign that the people should have no say in how they are governed – ruled by the ‘elite’ was always the only option.

  13. Fedupsoutherner
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Agree totally john. Perhaps if Boris got Brexit out of the way he could concentrate on Covid and the economy. I see the UK Reform party has plenty of applicants to stand in the local elections. Buck up Boris.

  14. Mark B
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Good evening.

    We are going from bad to worse. The Johnson administration is slowly unravelling and predictions that he will be gone in the New Year (jumps or is pushed) do not seem far fetched.

    Time to start looking around for a new leader ? This time, I suggest you choose a ‘real conservative’.

    • Peter
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

      Time for the public to switch to Farage. He will not win any seats – but it is a long game now and the Conservative party probably deserve to be destroyed now, like the Whigs and Liberals in previous eras.

      A worthwhile new party could then emerge in due course.

      Labour is already split. Traditional Labour will go with the Corbyn faction and an ineffective Blairite rump will limp on under Keir Starmer. Neither will gain any traction.

      • Hope
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

        Johnson’s spending makes Corbyns look like loose change!

        He has racked up more debt from Napolean wars to when Blaire came to office in 11 months! 800 years in 11 months! Tax Arizona n already at record highs before this.

      • Simeon
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

        It was time to switch to Farage last summer, but he then retreated, leaving the country to the mercy of the Tories. I am far from convinced that Farage and Reform are the answer, though they are better than anything else on offer.

        But you are right about it being a long game. Sadly, given the timidity of the general public, it may be a very long game, short of a cataclysmic collapse of the economy.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

        No chance! Farage is not as competent as Boris.

        • BJC
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:26 am | Permalink

          Perhaps not, Lynn, but at least he’s got some competent people from the business world around him. Never has the amateur status of Parliament been more glaringly obvious, than now. The country’s facing crisis after crisis, yet MPs can’t even be bothered to remove their smug faces from their smartphones to pretend they’re interested in the debate or persuaded by alternative arguments…….and they wonder why we don’t feel represented.

        • Martin in Cardiff
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:20 am | Permalink

          He’s quite good at making paper planes, according to MEPs, I hear.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

      +1 lifelong, Brexiteer, a man of substance. Even so it will take a superhuman effort to salvage the situation as the Tory Party really is on the Whig slide.

      • steve
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

        Lynn

        Trouble with Farage is he’s no good in a fight. Last time he got virtually the whole country behind him……but still ran away.

        ” the Tory Party really is on the Whig slide.”

        Slide ?……it’s dead !

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

          Yes I’m sorry (really!) to say Farage would be an even greater disappointment than Boris. He has never actually had a job. His Dad gave him a job ‘in the city’ trading scrap metal. I mean, a joke. Then he learned the Brexit lines and has learned nothing since.
          Trump for instance, has run a successful empire – its second nature to him. JR won a first, I mean actually earned it rather than had one given to him, and he progressed from there. So many are retarded at the point they achieve an Oxbridge degree. Old children!
          Tory party really is on life-support. Mess up Brexit and it’s over. Deliver WTO Brexit, JR in Downing St, the whole rag tag and bobtail of Boris’ crew out on their ear and they stand a chance. Boy they are going to have to work for the chance. But JR has what it takes to halve the State Sector. He’s done it before in Wales. He has the recipe to get the economy going. It will save all our houses, businesses and investments, it will give our children half a chance at earning a decent life.
          Please help get JR into Downing St for all our sakes! If we lose that it’s a whole new ballgame and the elitists are not going to like it. And as Powell predicted, ‘The People will win’.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

      And you’d be happy that neither the people nor Parliament would have any say over who that new PM would be, it seems.

      And yet you say that the European Union has a “democratic deficit”.

      • NickC
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

        When did “the people” elect Sir Keir Starmer as Labour leader? Leaders are elected by their parties, Martin.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

        Tory members vote for the leader, the entire electorate voted the Conservative party into power. Who voted for Ursula?

        • margaret howard
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:38 am | Permalink

          Lynn Atkinson

          Who voted for Carrie?

          • NickC
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:35 am | Permalink

            Margaret H, No one is pretending that Carrie was democratically elected, but you continue to believe Ursula was.

          • a-tracy
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:14 am | Permalink

            Where is the proof or evidence that Carrie is in charge of anything? If you have it provide it and then we get rid of her ‘alleged’ influence. This is getting ridiculous now and what I don’t understand is why the actual Conservative Party MPs the people that were elected are letting this narrative get maliciously spread by people like you and the media.

        • James Pollan
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

          The European Parliament voted for Ursula. A Parliament that reprersents 400 million people

          • Edward2
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

            She was enthroned without any opposition.

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

            There is no ‘European Parliament’. A Parliament can propose, enact, amend and repeal laws. The ‘EU Parliament’ cannot! There is not one parliament in the whole EU. A lot of ‘assemblies’ retained to provide ‘jobs for the boys’.
            Now, that is a 100% Democratic deficit.

    • Simeon
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

      How and why would the unconservative Conservative Party elect a conservative leader? Farage and his party may not inspire confidence, but the Conservative Party is the single largest obstacle to the radical change this country now needs after at least 75 years of awful government (Thatcher’s time being an exception, albeit a heavily qualified one); it’s a zombie party sucking up political capital that would be far more efficiently invested elsewhere.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

        To keep their seats. They need to understand that 9% was their baseline, not an anomaly.

  15. Mark B
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Good evening.

    We are going from bad to worse. The Johnson administration is slowly unravelling and predictions that he will be gone in the New Year (jumps or is pushed) do not seem far fetched.

    Time to start looking around for a new leader ? This time, I suggest you choose a ‘real conservative’.

    • steve
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

      “This time, I suggest you choose a ‘real conservative’.”

      All gone mate.

      • Longinus
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:08 am | Permalink

        It’ll be Gove the snake or Sunak the communist.

        • Lifelogic
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

          Gove who idiotically wanted 20% VAT on Private School Fees (to kill some good school and force more people to burden the state for education) and Sunak who keeps being described as “generous” because he gives £billions of other people’s money away or pisses it down the drain on green crap, HS2, Stonehenge and the likes. Sunak’s first act was to cut entrepreneur’s relief (to 10% of what it was) this so as to deter job creation, hard work, wealth creation and to damage the economy.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

        The odds of this are rather slim as 90% of Conservative MPs are LibDims at best and they are largely the electorate who choose the last two for the members.

  16. None of the Above
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    I agree wholeheartedly.

  17. Freeborn John
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely correct. The concern has to be that Johnson would rather the Vote Leave folks resign now that do so after he climbs down and agrees to a very bad deal. If Johnson does that then he is going to suffer the same collapse in the polls that did for Theresa May. We need back bone now and to see how the EU reacts when it dawns on them that they will be paying tariffs on their enormous trade surplus and lose all fishing rights.

    • Keino
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

      The EU wont be paying any tariffs. Importers and therefore British consumers pay tariffs. Please try to understand how very very harmful no deal Brexit will be

      • beresford
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

        Exporters effectively pay tariffs by reducing their prices so that their goods remain competitive in their target market.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

        The EU will pay £13billion more in tariffs to the U.K. than we pay to them because they sell £90 billion more to us pa than we sell to them. Did you not know that?

        • James Pollan
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:39 am | Permalink

          Lynn, the EU will not pay one penny to the UK. Importers and consumers pay tariffs, as you have been correctly told

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

            The EU exporters will have to absorb the tariff by cutting their ‘profit margin’ by the rate of the tariff or they will sell nothing in the U.K. we will buy cheaper and better goods.

      • NickC
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

        Keino, But we already have to pay the EU’s current tariffs on imports, and then give the EU 80% of the tariffs collected, to compound the cheek. However as an independent nation we would set our import tariffs to suit ourselves, not the EU. And benefit directly from the collected tariffs. And set them lower than the EU’s. So no deal would be best for us (but admittedly bad for the EU).

      • Roy Grainger
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

        And those tariffs on imports will be set by the UK government who will collect the money. Please try to understand how tariffs work.

  18. BW
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Sir John. Us Brexiteers who voted to leave the EU. They did not vote for an agreement that kept us in any way tied to the EU that includes the ECJ. We have waited for 4 long years to be free of the shackles. I hope we are not let down at the last moments. Get us out now. No agreement necessary. I have always said any agreement with the EU no matter how small will allow the EU to impose their will. Get out of the talks now.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

      How is the UK to fly planes over the European Union, drive trucks on its roads, or dock at its ports, with no agreement to do these things?

      Do even begin to think through anything at all?

      • beresford
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

        How is the EU to fly planes over UK airspace, dock at our ports, or drive trucks to/from the ROI? These things can be handled by reciprocal individual agreements and do not need to be rolled into one grand treaty.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

        All these small agreements have been agreed already, else how would the EU (Ireland) drive its trucks on our roads and dock in our ports?

      • steve
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

        MiC

        “How is the UK to fly planes over the European Union”

        ============

        I am now convinced you know very little, if anything at all.

      • NickC
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

        Martin, The 1944 Convention on International Civil Aviation (‘Chicago Convention’) is the regulatory framework for international civil aviation. Not the EU. How do you suppose the whole of the rest of the world manages to fly, without the EU’s helping hand?

        Trucks can be easily managed with a simple bi-lateral agreement. Their trucks here, our trucks there. Again, how do you suppose the rest of the world manages?

        Seriously none of these things are difficult, and they’ve all been done before, and are in operation around the world. None of these things requires an EU government.

      • Roy Grainger
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

        Likewise for EU planes etc.

      • Edward2
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

        We did all those things before the EU existed.

        Are you telling us the EU will force its European nations to do what you claim?

        Maybe these European nations will tell the EU to leave them alone

      • Mike Wilson
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

        That’s proper fearmongering, that is. By your reckoning, if we leave with no deal, trade with the EU will cease. If you seriously believe that, you need help.

      • Longinus
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:10 am | Permalink

        Great, the RAF will not be able to patrol over Ireland.

        • a-tracy
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:05 am | Permalink

          Ireland need to stump up its 2% to NATO, the RAF patrol for free and they should be grateful.

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

            Nobody is grateful for anything they get free. They hate you for providing it.

      • a-tracy
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:11 am | Permalink

        These threats Martin, why when you think your side is winning?
        If this attack on the UK carries on how do you think Europe will cope if the people start to fight back even if the government won’t. We don’t have to buy products from Europe or Ireland, we don’t have to play nice all the time as we always do. Ireland obtained its Independence but didn’t pay a price nor were they told they couldn’t fly over the RUK or travel on the contrary they were given a pass and we are their biggest export market!

        Why do you think all the refugees flee France, France who the UN allows to get away with keeping these people in tents in mud and in old offices and inadequate buildings squatting without sufficient sanitary conditions. It seems only the UK has to play by all the rules in your World.

  19. Andy
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Of course the reality is that any deal is better than no deal. No deal is simply not sustainable as a long term option.

    Whilst there are a dwindling number of what can only be described as Brexit extremists most people will simply not put up with the inconvenience of your Brexit.

    They did not expect higher prices or masses of extra paperwork or huge additional hassles just to travel. They voted leave because they wanted fewer foreigners.

    By 2030 it will be hard to find anyone who will admit to voting for Brexit and the main perpetrators will be safely retired in their cells.

    • Edward2
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

      Depends what the deal is.
      If it is good then fine.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

      Sadly, lying to the public is perfectly legal in England, the High Court has ruled, Andy.

      Furthermore, a person is entitled to rely on the law as it is, and civilised countries do not make retrospective criminal law.

      So unless as yet undiscovered crimes by certain people exist under current law, no one will be going to prison over their appalling conduct in bringing about brexit.

      • steve
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

        MiC

        “no one will be going to prison over their appalling conduct in bringing about brexit.”

        =======

        And unfortunately no one will be going to jail for trying to stop it, what with your idol B.liar having scrapped the treason laws.

        No problem though….the majority who voted for brexit will find you and your ilk guilty of treason, when the reckoning comes.

      • NickC
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

        No, Martin, the High Court said no such thing.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

      WTO works.

    • steve
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

      “Of course the reality is that any deal is better than no deal”

      Spoken by one who kneels.

    • Roy Grainger
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

      Andy. Have a go at explaining why prices will be higher.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

      Andy, We already have no trade deal with countries such as the USA and Australia and India, and most of the RoW. So of course no deal with the EU is viable and sustainable. But the reason that no deal is best is that it precludes EU control over us – which is, after all, the whole point of voting Leave.

      You should get over this peculiar mindset you have where the world begins and ends with the EU. The EU is our least important trade partner (By UK GDP: UK c70%; RoW c18%; EU c12%).

  20. MikeP
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    The Vote Leave departures from No. 10 signal a massive change of emphasis. You must be as concerned as the rest of the 17.4 million now.

    I gave Boris the benefit of the doubt after his Downing St speech, I voted for much of what he said, Levelling Up was a worthy cause, but hoped that he wasn’t another closet Liberal like the Change UK crowd. But now I’m really concerned that a BRINO is on the cards. It’s a disaster.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

      Only a minority of the 17 million are obsessed, hate-filled fanatics.

      Most of them just voted on balance with mixed feelings.

      They won’t be that bothered what is agreed. They just want a quiet life and the fewest problems when they go on holiday.

      • NickC
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:47 am | Permalink

        Martin, That was not my experience delivering thousands of leaflets for Leave and talking to hundreds of people. All of the Leave voters were quietly resolute. It was the intending Remain voters who were equivocal, with the majority of them admitting the EU needed reform. There was literally only a couple of Remain fanatics like you, prepared to destroy this nation and our democracy for the EU’s benefit.

      • Edward2
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:04 am | Permalink

        Only a minority of the 16 million are obsessed, hate filled fanatics.

        Most of them just voted remain on balance with mixed feelings.

        They won’t be bothered what is agreed. They just want a quiet life and the fewest problems when they go on holiday.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

          Most voted Remain because by hey we’re terrified by the Remain lies just as loads of people cower at home to avoid CV19, lied to again.
          Once they know they were fooled, they will be seriously angry.

  21. oldtimer
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    The Prime Windbag is now without the man who propelled him to office and helped him win a big majority. Such, it seems, is the petticoat power in the Johnson government. I did not vote for Symonds or Stratton, alleged powers behind the PM throne.

    The Conservative party needs to find a new leader and fast before Johnson screws up Brexit – on which he was elected.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

      +1 the members need to put together the shortlist.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

        Sounds like yet another coup d’état, by a little clique, in a representationally dysfunctional, insular, eccentric, post-relevant country.

        • Fred H
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:38 am | Permalink

          talking about Wales like that is not very kind!

        • NickC
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:49 am | Permalink

          And yet still more democratic than the EU, Martin.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

      Oldtimer, You are right – no more screw-ups on Brexit – the establishment have fooled us once too often.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

        +1

      • Dennis Zoff
        Posted November 15, 2020 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

        +1

  22. BeebTax
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    It doesn’t look good. I fear Boris has already forgotten why we voted him and his MPs into power.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

      Oh, was there that question on the ballot papers?

      I seem to have missed it.

      • NickC
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

        You miss a lot, Martin. Please try and catch up.

      • No Longer Anonymous
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

        Let’s put it this way.

        There was a very clear way to vote it you wanted to Remain.

        Every single vote has been to leave the EU since the referendum.

        • No Longer Anonymous
          Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

          :And anyone who didn’t vote effectively voted for Leave too. Because that was the direction of flow at the time.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

          Also voted to get the referendum. Those were also majority Leave votes because the rest did not need a referendum, being content with the status quo.

      • Edward
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

        Of course you missed it.
        You wouldn’t see it if it hit you into your face at a hundred miles an hour.

        • DavidJ
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

          +1

  23. rose
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    It looks as if these two have been pushed out by forces which want the opposite of what you are recommending. Let us hope it is not so. At any rate, Mr Cain may have found it difficult to contemplate working with the new Guardian Woman.

    I derived comfort this afternoon from watching the Lords debate on the Internal Market Bill. Lord True seems as good as his name. But my goodness what a lot of remainiac wreckers he is wrestling with in there, four to one. If he is representative of the Cabinet Office as a whole, then all is not lost. It was good to see the new cross party Brexiteers out in strength, Lady Fox, Lady Hoey, and Lord Dodds among them. they had the most intelligent and convincing arguments. How dare these remainiacs hold forth on the importance of the law being upheld when they have so often turned a blind eye to its being broken before, not just by the EU but at home. And how can they be so impervious to that old fashioned notion, the National Interest? Here they are again, trying to cut off the PM’s legs mid negotiation.

    • SecretPeople
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

      Great post, Rose!

  24. The Prangwizard
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Boris is intending to betray Brexit and he will do it happily.

    • IGNORE THEM
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

      I have long since given in on brexit

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

        I will NEVER give in on Brexit. After 47 years you think we should cave in the last week?

        • Martin in Cardiff
          Posted November 15, 2020 at 7:49 am | Permalink

          Yes.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

      The fact that this disaster has happened at all demonstrates that Boris is no longer in control, but is being manipulated by the Remain establishment, as Theresa May was.

      • bill brown
        Posted November 15, 2020 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

        nick c

        you are guessing

  25. Fred H
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps Mr Frost is now taking direction from Carrie or Allegra.
    God help us.
    Prepare to run up a white flag.

  26. No Longer Anonymous
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Blairism yet again.

  27. Tabulazero
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    The rats are leaving the sinking ship. Cummings want to be out and forgotten before the reality of no-deal hit in January 2021.

    I cannot wait to see our host blame it all on the French.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

      Please God you are right! Looking forward to the WTO deal and Cummings always said he would go once Brexit was secured.

    • Peter Parsons
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

      Either that or doing a runner before the excrement contacts the ventilation apparatus.

      Either way he’s left the rest of us paying a large bill for his treatment of Sonia Khan. I would like to see that come out of his own pocket, but sadly that is not possible.

    • steve
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

      “I cannot wait to see our host blame it all on the French.”

      ============

      And he’d be right to if he did.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

        No. Our enemies have always been in Westminster.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

      Tabulazero, Unfortunately the Remain rats are taking over – that’s why our ship is sinking.

  28. Alan Jutson
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Afraid the so called resignations at No 10 of two major prominent Brexit supporters is a concern given no decision/agreement has been reached as yet.

    Could perhaps understand it once our position with the Eu has been set in stone and we know where we are, but beforehand ?

    That’s a worry, and a concern. !

    Is a sell out on its way, (even already agreed) ?

    Aware Mr Cummings especially was perhaps a difficult personality to get on with, but he asked the necessary awkward questions, and posed some sensible if not comfortable answers, which is a welcome change from the normally employed yes men.

    I guess we now wait and see what is proposed for the new set up, and who is going to be put in place.

    Think the only people likely to be happy are the Civil Service.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

      And the Remainers.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

        Well, that’s about fifty million people these days Lynn.

        Some “only” eh?

        • NickC
          Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

          No, Martin, about 56 million of us are for Brexit. Which beats you mere 50 million Remains. Using your “logic”.

        • No Longer Anonymous
          Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

          Not according to election and referendum results.

          Where people actually make a mark in their millions rather than answer polls in their thousands.

        • Edward
          Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

          How do you get your 50 million claim?

  29. DOM
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    You need to speak to ‘er indoors. She’s the one running the country now, in an unelected capacity of course though of course we’ll be expected to pick up the cost for the frivolities and fashions are these irrelevances

  30. Iain Moore
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Having got rid of Cummings we all know what a kinder gentler Government means, drift, lack of purpose, an establishment stitch up. We saw it after Major usurped Mrs Thatcher, and after that the Conservatives went down to a record electoral defeat.

    You really think we are going to tolerate the Marxist green garbage, a client state, and probably capitulation to the EU?

  31. eleanor justice
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mr Redwood, should the unthinkable happen and Brexit is sabotaged and it is looking very dodgy from where I am standing what can the millions of leavers do about it? If the PM decides to jump ship do we just shrug our shoulders and let it go .We need advice Mr Redwood our world has gone mad,

    • agricola
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

      Enter stage right Nigel Farage and Reform.

      • Fedupsoutherner
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

        Apparently 3000 people are candidates for UK Reform party. All those constituents up north are probaby wondering why they voted Conservative. They trusted your party John to deliver a true Brexit. If Boris reneges on that your party will never get their support again. I hope they turn to Farage.

    • M Davis
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

      We can join a different Party and hope for the best. The only Party, of course is Nigel Farage’s new Party and hope that Fox et al will rally round.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

      That now looks quite possible. Not only that but Boris is now full of green expensive energy lunacy and has a tax, borrow and piss down the drain Chancellor and a policy of locking down the economy when deaths each day are entirely within the normal range.

      • DavidJ
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

        +1

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

      You could all emigrate.

      Use some imagination.

      • No Longer Anonymous
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

        That would be all your productive class.

        Not your arts graduates.

        Wanted Down Under never shows any demand for Criminology, Diversity or PPE graduates. And those that go say “At last. Quality time with the family.”

        So who’s going to keep you warm and service your car, Martin ?

      • NickC
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

        And if we did, Martin, how long do you think a country which claims to be democratic, but fails to honour a democratic vote, will last? It is a slippery slope which will not benefit even you in the long run.

    • IGNORE THEM
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

      lol they just faked a pandemic of course their not going to honour Brexit

    • Garland
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 6:05 am | Permalink

      The only people who have sabotaged Brexit are the Brexiters. If they had advanced a credible plan in 2016, Brexit would be done long ago . But instead they claimed that Brexit would involve no loss of access to EU markets but complete freedom for the UK to set its own rules. Unrealistic nonsense, but that is why we are living in this complete shambles – because the Brexiters never had a proper plan that could survive in the real world. You’re right to be angry Eleanor but be angry with the people who mis-sold you this false Brexit

      Reply More Remain lies. I always said we wanted to leave the single market and customs union

      • NickC
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

        Yet when I, and others, said that the EU would not give us a good deal because the EU is vindictive and corrupt, and would put politics first, it was Remains like you in the forefront claiming the EU was our friend, and how dare I.

  32. Leslie Singleton
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Dear Sir John–“December’s” issue of Current Archaeology refers to “long-standing links between the Brigantes and the Roman World, with goods being imported at least as early as the Claudian conquest of AD 43”. I don’t understand: how could that be without a Free Trade Agreement?

    • Walt
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

      I like that!

  33. agricola
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely correct, but who are the unelected advisors now running 10 Downing Street. Is it not overdue that the will of the people, via their elected representatives, imposed the views you express on number 10. The knowledge that less than you suggest will not get through Parliament and will hazard the future of the conservative party might concentrate minds at number 10.

  34. Peter
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Nothing should get in the way of leaving with a genuine Brexit whether on WTO terms or – much less likely – via an Agreement.

    However, the two departures signal the removal of two important advisers with the resolve and backbone to deliver it.

    Now the talk is of resets and green issues. Not what Brexiteers want to hear but music to the ears of the EU.

    A cynic might see it as a carefully choreographed Deus Ex Machina to bring the whole saga to an unhappy end. Not that Boris would be clever enough to initiate it all. Others would do that.

  35. Keino
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Wow you sound nervous! All going wrong isn’t it. Nobody’s fault but yours, you claimed Brexit would be milk and honey, you were utterly unrealistic, now those chickens are coming home to roost. Project truth, Brexit fiasco

    • beresford
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

      Oh, for the chance to actually LEAVE the EU and find out whether it is ‘milk and honey’ or not. Besides there is also the value of freedom to be considered, when the American colonists decided to leave the British Empire do you think it was instant milk and honey?

    • steve
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

      OI

      You can’t blame people for being betrayed and lied to.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

      The only thing we are nervous about is NOT getting a CLEAN Brexit! Another Remainer with comprehension problems.

      • bill brown
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:34 am | Permalink

        Lynn Atkinson

        Comprehension probalems? that is rather steep coming from you

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

          Well Bull I,don’t understand ‘problems’ certainly.

      • hefner
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

        BB, indeed, The other day our dear Lynn advertised a contribution by Prof Arthur Noble to a website she recommends from time to time. Being curious I read it and soon realised that the ‘contribution’ of the distinguished professor is only in quoting another person, specifically Willy Wimmer’s contributions on Sputnik and RussiaToday. I also did research on some academic websites and had to conclude that the prof, now retired, has not left an indelible mark on ‘learned/academic’ websites.

        The Sputnik and RT connections filled me with an unending hilarity when remembering some of Lynn’s comments about the EU27 and Chancellor Merkel taking the dime from Putin.

        Even more hilarious (and/0r incompetent) is the illustration on the FreeNations website featuring a picture of three Russian MiG-29 aircrafts with five soldiers carrying AK-74 assault rifles to illustrate ‘Biden’s Democrats reputation’. It was to roll on the floor thinking that the same picture had been used by DJT to support ‘Our troops’ in the recent past, a feature almost immediately commented upon by MailOnLine (Joe Davis) on 15/09/2020 pointing out the asinine use of such a picture.

        Oh well, keep on going Lynn, you’re good at providing laughs.

    • No Longer Anonymous
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

      Four years stuck in the cat flap by Remainers.

    • Original Richard
      Posted November 15, 2020 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

      Brexiters never claimed leaving the EU would be “milk and honey”.

      They claimed that the major benefit to us would be the ability to be able to influence our laws and policies (trade, fiscal, taxation, energy, environmental, foreign, military, immigration etc.) through retaining the right to elect and remove those who make these decisions.

      The only argument that the Remainers had and still push is that it is worth selling our future freedom, democracy and sovereignty for a few pieces of silver today.

  36. Len Peel
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    The sovereingty clause binds the UK. It is of no relevance to the EU because it is not in the Withdrawal Agreement. A hard rain is coming for the ERG

    • Edward2
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

      Binds…what is this amazing thing you talk of?

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

      The EU committed to agreeing a FTA in the WA. Where is it? Surely these paragons have not reneged and rendered the WA void?

      • Garland
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 6:06 am | Permalink

        It did not, Lynn. Nothing in the WTA commits the EU (or the UK) to agree a FTA. It commits both to try to negotiate one. as barnier and Frost are doing now

        • Edward2
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:07 am | Permalink

          And if it fails to create a FTA the Withdrawal Agreement also fails.

        • NickC
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:09 am | Permalink

          Garbage, Garland. The WA explicitly refers to the future relationship, the framework of which is explicitly referenced to the political declaration (PD) which in turn specifies “this declaration establishes the parameters of an ambitious, broad, deep and flexible partnership across trade and economic cooperation with a comprehensive and balanced Free Trade Agreement at its core“. I wish it didn’t – because WTO is much better for us.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

          And if not then WTO.

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

      Len Peel, The EU said it would respect UK sovereignty. We’re waiting . . . . .

  37. bill brown
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Sir JR

    We still have a little time, let us try and make the best of the negotiations, whilst they are still going on.

    • Edward2
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

      Well yes bill I agree.
      But if two sides cannot agree then what do you suggest.

      • steve
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

        Edward2

        “But if two sides cannot agree then what do you suggest.”

        =============

        The two sides don’t have to agree, here’s how it works –

        The UK liberates france from tyranny, at cost of countless UK lives. The UK votes to leave the EU…..we don’t take kindly to being threatened by countries the UK sacrificed blood for to liberate and give them their freedom.

        We do not need to, and should not, be sacrificing any sovereignty to the ungrateful french – led EU. Should have let them learn German or Russian as a first language.

        We owe them nothing, they owe us.

        • Edward
          Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

          Yes
          I agree Steve.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

          +1 we should NEVER have let de Gaul march into Paris first.

          • Fred H
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

            we should never have kept him in luxury in London during the war.

        • DavidJ
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

          Indeed.

    • steve
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

      bill brown

      Why would we be negotiating with countries that threaten us ?

      I would have some concerns with your logic, to put it politely.

      • bill brown
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:43 am | Permalink

        Steve

        “they owe us” I think in principle we can all agree on this but three generations later, this is not how negotiations are conducted between independent democracies, so elt us move on.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

      After 6 years of ‘talks’ Bull? Why do you think ‘a little time’ is of any significance?

      • bill brown
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:31 am | Permalink

        Lynn Atkinson

        I am pleased to see you are now asking questions instead of unsubstantiated comments

        • Edward2
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:09 am | Permalink

          Still no answer to my question bill.
          If the two sides cannot come to agreement then what would you suggest.

          • bill brown
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

            Edward 2

            They will so I do not need to give you ans answer, but I am impressed that yo are ow asking instead of the usual unsubstantited comments

          • Edward2
            Posted November 15, 2020 at 10:21 am | Permalink

            Dodging the request for a reply.

            But that is what you do bill.
            A few badly typed words of abuse is all you can offer.

        • NickC
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:10 am | Permalink

          For which you have no answers, Bill.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

          So what’s the answer Bull?

          • bill brown
            Posted November 15, 2020 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

            do not worry there will be a deal

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

      PS Bull in the U.K. a Knight is called Sir (Christian name). In this case, Sir John.

      • Mike Wilson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

        As far as I am concerned a knight is a chess piece or a bloke from history who used to ride a horse wearing a metal suit who did daft things like joust for a lady’s favour. Our so-called honours system is a farce with awards for ‘service to music’ and other such nonsense. This is not a fairy tale with knights and princesses 👸

      • bill brown
        Posted November 15, 2020 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

        Lynn Atkinson

        there might be a reason for my use of JR

  38. Ian Wilson
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Who is running the country, Boris or Carrie? It is most disturbing that so-called “green” policies (which are invariably environmentally and economically disastrous) are reportedly being pushed through at the behest of unelected Carrie Symonds. We’ve been here before, with David Cameron and his Greenpeace activist wife.

    • rose
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

      Someone had better get to her PDQ and explain that we will get far higher environmental and animal welfare standards as a completely independent country.

      • steve
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

        rose

        Or just explain what people will do to the conservatives if there is so much as one fish given to the ungrateful french.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

        The European Union only sets minimum standards.

        There was never, ever, anything preventing the UK from going above those while it was a member, just as there was nothing stopping it from restricting numbers of Polish people coming here, nor from having blue passports.

        • Edward
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

          The EU open borders policy does not allow the UK to refuse EU immigrants.
          Surely you know this Martin.

          13,000 predicted
          650,000 in reality.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

      Neither

  39. Everhopeful
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Obviously THIS was the plan all along.
    Ever been had?
    BRINO here we come!!

  40. Stephen Reay
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    If there is no deal the government needs to ensure that those industries that are at immediate risk such as the car industry and others are fully protected to save jobs and remain competitive . The last thing we need is more job loses on top of those that have already been lost. Boris is dealing with a difficult hand at the moment and he’s lost his (Donald)trump card which was going to be his ace.

    No deal isn’t the best option, but we have to be treated like a sovereign country and we can’t let the EU punish us just because we are leaving. The government will need to seriously invest in the country to rebuild it after coronavirus and if a no deal happens.

    The government needs to be careful how the debt is asked to be repaid, if the people are asked to repay it then it’s game over for the conservatives, the debt can be sold off through gilts and bonds to investors just like previous debt has been managed.

  41. Iain Gill
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    well Dom himself has said that the box he was carrying contained the Brexit we voted for.

    this political class and senior public sector are an absolute disgrace.

    • steve
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

      Iain Gill

      “this political class and senior public sector are an absolute disgrace.”

      ============

      They’re also dead men walking.

      • Iain Gill
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 1:56 am | Permalink

        I hope so, but the mechanisms for ordinary people to change it are limited. But I think they will have to find a way. Something like Dom joining Nigel and Laurence Fox and a few others would blow the current political class out of the water at the next election. Something like that needs to happen, we cannot continue with a self selected dross ruling class in all aspects of public life like this forever.

        • Mike Wilson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

          You do realise that for every one person that supports the people you mentioned, ten despise them.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

          There is no possibility of anyone joining Nigel. He does not stand for it. The limelight is for him only. Others get to do the work, sometimes of dubious legal standing.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

        +1

    • Zan
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:05 am | Permalink

      “this political class and senior public sector are an absolute disgrace.”

      Spot on! Contemptible, ineffectual and totally unequal to the challenges that now lie before us. The public will no longer put up with this.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

      Remarkable thing, to be able to carry an undefined, unattainable, emotional abstract in a cardboard box…

      • Fred H
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

        or even the word ETON in a CV.

  42. Richard1
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Is it true the EU are now threatening an energy embargo as well? They do seem to be trying every trick to bring about a surrender, and must surely be emboldened by these shenanigans at No. 10. It is reported that even David Frost is “considering his position”. The Conservative Party now owns Brexit. It needs to be made a success or it is Starmer + conceivably Rejoin in 2024 / 25.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

      Several countries would – understandably – veto the UK’s rejoining.

      It’s the Norway arrangement, perhaps, the best of all worlds for them, and second best after actual membership for the UK.

      • Edward
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

        Better tell your pal Andy who keeps telling us that we will rejoin the EU

      • No Longer Anonymous
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

        The news today. Democrats say…

        “President Trump. 51% to 49%, ADMIT YOU LOST !”

        So. Er. What of our Remainers who have kept us in the cat flap for four and a half years ??? (52% to 48%)

        And you smear over half of the population as racists. The worst insult you can cast upon someone. An indictable offence no less.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

          +1

      • Richard1
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

        The Norway arrangement is far from ideal I agree. But note, unlike non-eurozone EU members, they are not on the hook for EU bailouts.

        But any country joining would clearly have to join the euro, the EU’s central political project.

  43. M Davis
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    SJR … We now need to enforce the sovereignty clause in the Withdrawal Act. … No Deal has always been better than a bad deal.

    Yes, and yes!

  44. Caterpillar
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Which party will Mr Cummings be enabling?

  45. Richard
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    What has happened to the Internal Market Bill?
    Today Mr Frost has been instructed to offer the EU more fish.

    Boris the Tyrant is clearly intending to betray us all with a Fake Brexit.
    Boris is about to destroy The Conservative Party.

    • turboterrier
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

      Richard…
      Destroy the party ? He already has for the rank and file aka “the critical mass “

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

      How do you know what Frost has been instructed to do?

  46. ChrisS
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    The EU has never negotiated in good faith because Brussels doesn’t do “negotiations.”

    It is a dictatorship along the lines of Napoleon. An apt description, considering the similarity in stature between Boneparte and Macron.

    We were right to have made efforts to agree a deal, it’s just a pity that we were forced to waste more than two years with Teresa May and a Remainer parliament tying our hands.

    No form of deal we could possibly get now is going to be a deal worth having.

    All the Johnson government can now do is to ensure that the blame for the failure is laid firmly at the door of the Brussels establishment for its refusal to respect our hard-won sovereignty and Macron’s stupidity in insisting on the status-quo on fishing.

  47. Mike Wilson
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    So, two of the main men behind Brexit are gone. What could be so bad as to make Cummings throw his mug into a box and head into the sunset? Could it be Boris has prostrated our country before the EU and Cummings said ‘do that and I walk’?

    Let’s hope Dominic is not bound by a gagging clause and reveals all tomorrow.

  48. JohnE
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    I think Mr. Biden may have something to do with events. Between him and Ms Symonds they have Boris doing what he’s told.
    The question is do you keep him in No 10 for Christmas?

  49. Marchal
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    The best deal you had was when you were one of the 28- but you reap what you sow

    • No Longer Anonymous
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

      Sad as that was.

      1 in 28… meh.

    • ukretired123
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

      Your maths 1 in 28? Best deal making contributions equal to 19 others. Joker!

    • NickC
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

      Marchal, Best for the EU . . . .

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

      Nah. That was a crap deal. No deal is much better than a crap deal.

    • Original Richard
      Posted November 16, 2020 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

      The best deal? Who can forecast the future?

      What we do know is that UK voters will retain the ability to influence their laws and policies (trade, fiscal, taxation, energy, environmental, foreign, military, immigration etc.) through retaining the right to elect and remove those who make these decisions.

      Whilst for those who remain in the EU, where decisions are made by bureaucrats and politicians they did not elect and cannot remove and hence cannot influence, is a journey into the unknown.

      Especially with continued enlargement to at least 34 nations and the increasing use of QMV.

  50. steve
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    JR

    “The decision of the two Vote Leave advisers to move on must not get in the way of an early end to the talks with the EU”

    ========

    It will. Just wait and see. Boris is a puppet, remain traitors will soon be pulling his strings.

    The only way I see your party gaining any credibility with leave voters is to oust Boris ASAP and replace him with a true brexiteer, and someone who is not only patriotic but also intelligent enough not to need stupid advisers whom we did elect. Does your party have such a potential leader ? I doubt it.

    “We now need to enforce the sovereignty clause in the Withdrawal Act.”

    =======

    Why not just rip up the WA and be done ? You’ll have the majority of people on your side, or you can ignore us and find out what wrath feels like.

    Simple choice, not rocket science.

  51. ukretired123
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Boris will regret everything if he bottles out of real Brexit and he knows it.
    The Midlands and Northern red wall relied on true Brexit not BRINO.
    They see northerner Mr Cummings ejected …
    Great Expectations not just Christmas.b
    And after 4years wasted by politicians too.

    • ukretired123
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

      Boris will be next “out the door”.

      • turboterrier
        Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

        ukretired

        I do hope so. Enough is enough there is only so much incompetence you can put up with.

    • ukretired123
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

      Brexit or bust not BRINO!

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

        +1

  52. NickC
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    JR, Well said. Thank you for your clarity and steadfastness.

  53. Barry
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    For the last thirty or so years the Conservative Party has been programmed to disappoint. It conserves nothing, fails to reverse left-wing changes made by Labour, and seems incapable of making much needed reforms to organisations like the NHS. I fear that Brexit will be watered down to disappoint, the House of Lords will survive more or less intact, and the worst the BBC will suffer is a little trimming around the edges which will be restored when Labour are re-elected, as they will be.

    • R Thorne
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:05 am | Permalink

      The Conservative Party’s only asset is that it is marginally better than Labour – not a great accolade. If Boris fails in his main task and Labour finds a way of regaining working class trust (not an easy task, admittedly), the Conservatives are heading for trouble.

      This might end up being five years of wasted opportunity, never to be repeated if the voting habits of younger people remain the same.

  54. Roy Grainger
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    The problem with Carrie dismissing Cummings is that Barrier can see that he doesn’t have to offer any concessions, he just has to wait.

    • No Longer Anonymous
      Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

      Clinton/Blair started this cabinet sofa/spin doctor s**e.

      The problem with Cummings was that he was as easily replaceable.

      It’s over, Sir John. Either you step up or step down.

    • BJC
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:14 am | Permalink

      Roy Grainger: Yesterday, was an exceptionally good day for the EU and as you rightly say, they simply need to bide their time while the CS regains its power and the HOL continues its work on behalf of the EU. The undisguised glee expressed by emboldened Remainers at Mr Cummings’ departure has been particularly unedifying. It would appear that Mr Johnson has been beaten by the all-powerful establishment machine and will not be allowed to deliver genuine sovereignty to the people. We can only hope he proves me wrong.

  55. Will in Hampshire
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    I was interested to read earlier today that Mr Johnson’s negotiator Frost has also been contemplating resignation in recent weeks. Add that to the two resignations from No. 10 Downing Street today and the impression is that the government’s leadership is rather less optimistic about the possible outcomes of the negotiation than most of those who post on this site, and of course our host himself. Which makes me wonder why that might me, and what privileged information they may have about those outcomes which isn’t available to the wider public.

  56. EMERGENCY
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Re vaccines, the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency have put out a request for tender.
    The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence software tool to process the expected high volume of Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs reaction text are missed.

    They’re expecting high numbers of adverse reactions but they’re still happy to roll it out. Crazy. And Pfizer are absolved from any financial responsibility, it’ll be the tax payer who has to pay for damage to people.

    Meanwhile the Royal Society wants to make it a criminal offence to spread misinformation about vaccines citing China as an example of best practice.

    Hmm, who decides what is misinformation.

  57. forthurst
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Vote Leave was a shambles and had no positive effect on the Referendum result nor did it advocate leaving on WTO terms. However, presuming that the Cummings gang were sincere and not just political opportunists hitching themselves to the Brexit wagon, bearing in mind that genuine Brexiteers have always been an endangered species in a party that is congenial to globalist multiculturalists, there is clearly cause for concern that their eviction from the seat of power will lead to a softening in resolve in achieving what a large proportion of the population voted for in giving the Tories a huge majority at the last election.

  58. No Longer Anonymous
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    O/T

    But when did the Tories legalise cannabis, Sir John ?

    I’ve just read a letter in Metro asking the same, so it’s not just me.

    The stench is everywhere and louts are smoking it openly at bus stops and in parks.

    When did we elect the Labour Party exacly ?

    • Fred H
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:52 am | Permalink

      but at least they might be getting a break from the mass misery in every day life!

  59. XYXY
    Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    All true – but will it happen?

    The government seem to be the left of the Tory party, yet again. We cannot trust them.

    Why did these guys leave now?

    There’s a suggestion that Cain may have leaked the lockdown2 plans. And that Cummins is a friend, so went with him.

    Let’s hope this is not a disagreement over the Brexit deal.

  60. margaret howard
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    With Remainer Carrie running things now maybe she can arrange another referendum under proper democratic conditions. It might even persuade Scotland and Ireland not to leave the union which will leave us as just a rump England alone in the world.

    The danger now is that many EU countries might well boycott any attempts to rejoin.

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:39 am | Permalink

      Can you explain what wasn’t democratic about the vote?

      • Mike Wilson
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

        Remain lost. Therefore, by EU definition, it was not democratic.

      • DavidJ
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

        Indeed and perhaps explain why she sees the EU as democratic. Hopefully the EU will mange to destroy itself and avoid any possibility of our rejoining.

      • margaret howard
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

        Fedup

        Yes, a system that allows 17m votes to determine the future of a population of nearly 70m can’t be called democratic by any stretch of the imagination.

        • Fedupsoutherner
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

          All those that were eligible to vote could do so. Maybe we Brexiteers just put our selves out more and knew that what we wanted was best for the country. We all had a democratic chance and you blew it.

          • glen cullen
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

            +1

        • Edward2
          Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

          Babies and children voting?
          Tourists and visitors viting?
          Non UK citizens voting?
          People forced to vote?

          Come on Margaret, you have a very odd version of democracy

          • bill brown
            Posted November 15, 2020 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

            Edward 2

            What is the definition of a democrat?

            What is the diefinition of a socialist

            What is the definition of a communist?

          • Edward2
            Posted November 15, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

            Look it up bill.

            Pretty obvious.

            It is all available on the internet.

            Educate yourself.

        • Barry
          Posted November 15, 2020 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

          The 70m includes new born babies, perhaps they should be given the vote.

    • Edward2
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:11 am | Permalink

      You are still using your ridiculous comment I see….”rump England, alone in the world.”

      • bill brown
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

        Edward 2

        So NI and the Republic want an open border but not EU, so why is he EU then negotiating on the Irsih behalf?

        • Edward2
          Posted November 15, 2020 at 10:24 am | Permalink

          Is this post of yours in the wrong place again bill?

          • bill brown
            Posted November 15, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

            Edward 2

            You did not answer teh question because as usual you are all muddled up

        • Edward2
          Posted November 15, 2020 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

          Wrong.
          I was replying to Margaret and her “rump England” nonsense and you then come on demanding answers to questions about Ireland and the Withdrawal Agreement.
          Hilarious that you then reply saying you think I am the one who is muddled up.

    • Bryan Harris
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 11:06 am | Permalink

      Can you explain how Remainer Carrie could democratically call another referendum?

      If you imagine that you can help break up the UK by speculative fantasy then you are very wrong – Support for the SNP is dropping, and NI are happy to leave the EU.

      The danger is not that we will be sucked back into the EU on awful terms, but that the remoaners in our midst will not allow us to get on and shape our own future.

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

      Ooh err. If they won’t let us rejoin, we might as well leave and put two fingers up to them. This rather tedious exercise is going to run and run.

      If, as seems likely, the next election will be all about Brexit again. Labour will want to rejoin, the rump of the Tory party will say that the then state of affairs is okay and Nigel’s party will stand everywhere and split the vote with who knows what result. A wanky coalition I imagine.

      Well, you Remainers reap what you sow. You have thwarted the result of a referendum and we are going to have a polo mess for decades. Well done.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 15, 2020 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

        It has been the brexit Tories who have, for four years, grovelled repeatedly for transitional extensions, not any Remain group.

        Get the basic facts right at least.

        The Tories own this whole mess from start to finish.

        Reply Untrue. I and other Brexit MPs opposed the delays

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

      You are right round the bend! Pleased you have removed any doubt.

      • ukretired123
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

        +1

    • Lindsay McDougall
      Posted November 19, 2020 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

      Not a rump England, a rump United Kingdom, a maritime power that DOES have a selfish and strategic interest in retaining Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales and controlling the seas around us.

      Such a UK will orientate its defence and foreign policies towards the defence of these islands, not joining Biden in his madcap foreign wars (they will happen; just listen to his cold war rhetoric) and not participating in a European Army, that fanciful force of the Power of Babel across the Channel.

  61. Iain Gill
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    I see the FT has it that Boris accused Cummings and Cain of briefing against his partner Carrie Symonds, well guess what the quack greenery of Carrie does need briefing against. This nonsense about Tristan da Cunha’s new Marine Protection Zone is ultimate virtue signalling when we can all see the government cannot even protect the home fishing waters of the UK, or stop vast number of illegal immigrants crossing the channel.
    Carrie and her ideas for more green taxes, and supposedly anti-pollution measures, which will just further increase the cost of manufacturing here, and force more production to move to India and China where they will produce the same stuff using far less anti-pollution kit than we ever did, and from where we will import the same output, so massively increasing net world pollution and putting more of our own people out of work. More nonsense that sees the UK as just a service economy, from people who have no idea how to encourage the UK to pay its way in the world. This is not what the people want, or what was put to them at the last election. Hug a husky gone mad.
    It is also clear Boris is now moments away from collapsing in the EU negotiations and delivering Brexit in name only, a complete betrayal of the majority of voters in this country.
    We don’t need another wishy washy, big state, uber green, chumocracy, non-meritocratic, pro EU party in power… that’s exactly what we voted against.
    Layered on top of the sheer incompetence during the pandemic, allowing all these Stalinist attacks on basic freedom most of which are counterproductive, and tolerating the ongoing poor-quality senior layers of the public sector to continue their corrupt and fraudulent abuse of the British people.
    Dom is not perfect, he gets a lot of things wrong, his views on science and tech are often hilarious – the ultimate arrogant amateur, BUT he is correct about the reform needed at the top of the public sector, and need to get some changes made.
    So, Brexit will be a sell-out, we will continue with this destruction of the economy and our basic freedoms, the dire quality healthcare being praised as some kind of religion, and a senior layer of public sector which is being allowed to be corrupt and abuse the British people, more out of control immigration, its all nonsense.
    This cannot stand, brave people everywhere will react, and its not going to be pretty.

    • glen cullen
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

      +1

  62. Zan
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    Deeply concerned Sir John and somewhat comforted to see you are too. This is a black day – not just for Brexit and related matters, but in terms of the direction of travel of this government. That 80 seat majority was a precursor to what might be possible after Brexit in terms of greatly streamlining, transforming and modernising our public sector and its servants: reducing big state, regulation and political correctness; and achieving more innovative and leaner means of managing our national economics instead of the tired old mess and muddled thinking there currently is. Sadly, I fear we shall never see what might have been. The news from No. 10 this week, the treatment of trusted and loyal advisors combined with the headlong rush of the P.M. towards an agenda of wokishness instead of priorities, does not bode well either for the post-viral recovery that business much needs, nor the correction of society to majority norms. We voters do not understand what has gone wrong when there was so much promise possible given the resounding mandate this government was given. Yes, there was covid, but when that finally dissipates, we will wonder where on earth our future lies, and what that may be. So many have been crushed under the heel of poor advice by those we trusted, there is little left to hope or trust in any more. The softer agenda Boris proposes would be the ultimate betrayal as well as being absolutely not a priority at this time. Please do what you can to get some sense into No. 10. The loss of Cummings and Cain fundamentally weakens No. 10. If the Party thinks they will be easily forgiven for this, they do not know the British people. These are volatile times and many shibboleths have already been overturned. People without hope have nothing else to lose.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

      +1

    • glen cullen
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

      +1

  63. Bryan Harris
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    It will probably be some time before we know how much Boris has capitulated to the EU, as the truth slowly surfaces.
    Clearly he is more interested in getting some kind of deal that breaking away totally, due to his fear of the press and remoaners hounding him

    The deadline keeps getting moved, and that alone encourages the EU to be their usual uncooperative selves.

    My faith in Boris is evaporating fast

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

      Please define “breaking away totally”?

      Because without more that means no trade, no visits, no exchange of security information, no access to infrastructure or airspace etc.

      If you don’t mean that, then the terms on which all those things happen need an agreement or agreements. A DEAL, that is.

      • Edward
        Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

        Nonsense
        Breaking away means just being a free independent nation once more.
        Like all the other 160 free independent nations.

  64. BW
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    I had such high hopes when Boris became PM. ………………..
    He was voted in with an 80 seat majority on one mantra. “Let’s get Brexit done”.
    Please don’t fail us now. Leave without a deal. Trade on WTO rules and get Brexit done.

  65. glen cullen
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    The majority of voters only want 2 things

    1. Leave the EU
    2. Stop Illegal Immigration

    Two things this government can’t achieve

    • Mark B
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

      glen

      It is not can’t, but won’t !

  66. Original Chris
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    “there” not “their”.

  67. ChrisS
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Those contributors starting to panic after Cummings has left Downing Street are a bit premature.

    A majority of MPs and the vast majority of the party membership will not put up with a sellout and I don’t believe for a second that Boris will weaken his resolve, whatever Carrie says.

    Fishing is an important but peripheral matter and the EU can easily buy off Macron’s fishermen with a few million Euros a year.

    The real issue is the level playing field. The EU are rightly terrified that our industry will become more competitive than theirs but we cannot in any circumstances agree to slavishly follow all future changes in EU regulations. That would be a clear loss of sovereignty.

    I believe that will be the reason why a reasonable deal will not be possible.

    • Helen Smith
      Posted November 14, 2020 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

      The voice of reason, is it just you and me who doubts Boris could go back on everything he has said only a few days before?

  68. Mike Wilson
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    46 days to go. Capitulation must be nigh.

  69. Helen Smith
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry Dom has gone, but as long as Frost remains all is not lost.

    The ERG must keep Boris honest as I’m sure it will. Frankly, in the unlikely event Boris goes back on everything he has said over the past 12 months, the 9% vote share achieved under May will look like a high water mark for the Tories.

  70. Ian Heath
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Here, here

  71. Jim Whitehouse
    Posted November 14, 2020 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Sir John,
    I see commenters here and on other sites, and some professional pundits, speculating that Cain then Cummings departed suddenly because the PM has decided to settle for a “sell-out” deal with the EU.
    I, of course, have absolutely no idea if there is any substance to this rumour but it would be very troubling if true. I assume that Boris is aware to what extent his majority depends on him having a strong Brexit stance. He has also shown that his hand can be forced, as with the recent sudden implementation of the November lockdown.
    I hope and assume that all pro-Brexit MPs are currently reminding the PM exactly why he won his majority. If perhaps any of them are a little shy, may I respectfully suggest that words of encouragement from a highly respected elder statesman in the party might just be what is required.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 15, 2020 at 7:55 am | Permalink

      You confuse keeping his majority with keeping the ex-BNP/ukip vote.

      They need not be the same thing.

      • Edward2
        Posted November 15, 2020 at 10:27 am | Permalink

        Get Brexit Done was the central theme of the Conservative election campaign.
        It resulted in a huge 80 seat majority.
        To fail on that pledge to get Brexit done would seriously reduce their chances of re election in 4 years time.

        • Jim Whitehouse
          Posted November 15, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

          I think there would be a leadership challenge much sooner than that and, as a party member, I would not vote for anyone that had promised Brexit, then caved at the last minute.

          • Edward2
            Posted November 15, 2020 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

            I agree Jim.
            Whoever is PM at the next election could also find it difficult to get re elected if Brexit is not properly done.

        • a-tracy
          Posted November 15, 2020 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

          “I will make it my mission to work night and day, flat out to prove that you were right in voting for me this time, and to earn your support in the future.

          “And I say to you that in this election your voice has been heard, and about time too.

          “Because we politicians have squandered the last three years, three and a half years in squabbles – we’ve even been arguing about arguing, and arguing about the tone of our arguments.

          “Leaving the European Union as one United Kingdom, taking back control of our laws, borders, money, our trade, immigration system, delivering on the democratic mandate of the people.”

          Thats the promise. He asked that we held him to it, we will.

  72. Diane
    Posted November 17, 2020 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Following on from above AT & what Mike W stated in the last blog’s subject: >>>That said, most of you on here will always vote Tory no matter how badly they sell this country out <<< I don't think so this time Mike, this time it's different. If the UK is left in the position of having to ask permission or gain consent from the EU in order to act in the interests of this country or be left unable to control its own economy and trade, taxes & all the rest of it or be left under the jurisdiction of the EU 27 Court of Justice of the European Union, as you say, be sold out, then I would hazard a guess there will be many, many more who will simply vote with their feet this time because many will no longer accept being taken for fools again, people are far more savvy than they are thought to be on this issue and much else. Already this week, Thursday has possibly now become next Tuesday – or maybe mid December – and all manner of positivity in the media but politicians still toeing the line on the red lines, so, is Brexit in peril ? Will Covid be the excuse for useless ? I'll echo the above comment: 'We certainly will'

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