Sir John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): A lot of us feel that this legislation should now just lapse, because there has been a material improvement in the situation.
There are other powers should things go wrong, and this House could grant powers in the space of a few hours if there were a new and unpleasant crisis. Why do we have to have these powers hanging over our head when there does not seem to be a need to use them?
The Secretary of State for Health and Social Care (Mr Sajid Javid): What I can tell my right hon. Friend is that there are provisions that we hope to keep in the Act, subject to the House’s will today, which are still necessary.
For example, there are provisions that protect NHS capacity with respect to temporary registration of nurses and other healthcare professionals.
There are similar provisions for the care sector; there are also provisions that provide support packages for those whose jobs may have been hit or who have to take time off work to meet the self-isolation requirements. There are provisions in the Act that I think are still necessary; I will speak about some of them in just a moment.
October 20, 2021
I watched a clip of the goings on in Parliament, the general air of jollity as the few MPs present shouted and made the usual undignified noises during what should have been a serious and considered debate on a very important issue. Even the Deputy Speaker seemed to be gripped by the hilarity of the situation and cheerily declared the motion carried. To be honest, the little I watched, to put it mildly, was unedifying. And now we’re stuck with another six months of excuses for dictatorial control, just when we should be moving back to normality.
October 21, 2021
Couldn’t agree more, LJ. Makes you want to weep.
October 22, 2021
Agree absolutely.
Very, very shocking.
October 20, 2021
”Why do we have to have these powers hanging over our head when there does not seem to be a need to use them?”
Is it because they allow the Government to mandate the vaccine while it is still unlicensed (and only ‘approved’ for emergency use) and thus bring in ‘passports’?
October 22, 2021
That’s what I have read.
And judging from what we saw in Parliament some sort of trickery seems very likely.
October 21, 2021
‘- there are provisions that protect NHS capacity with respect to temporary registration of nurses and other healthcare professionals.’
Sajid Javid is obviously aware that he’ll have to scrabble around for ‘double-vaxxed’ replacements for nurses and care home staff who refuse to be coerced by his mandate into accepting this ‘vaccine’ by November 11th.
The ‘vaccine’ is still in its trial phase, completion date 2023 at the earliest. Young women particularly are being cautious (including dedicated carers from the EU who had originally committed to staying on here to continue their wonderful work). They all want to be sure that if they decide to have children one day, future offspring will not be affected.
If in any doubt about the devastating impact of the Health Secretary’s proposed mandate, listen as an NHS whistle-blower interviewed recently by Laurence Fox of the Reclaim Party.
October 21, 2021
“because there has been a material improvement in the situation.”
That is more of a wish than a fact, given the likelihood that 1st/2nd dose vaccines are waning, just as seasonal Flu arrives, CV19 infections in schools have become an increasing problem, will that rate come down by the traditional festive (infect your granny) season, and the 3rd dose ‘booster’ programme has yet to be offered to the vast majority of the first groups to be vaccinated.
October 21, 2021
”.. have become an increasing problem..” How, exactly? To vaxed teachers who should be considering themselves immune? Or to the children who are not ill from this viral disease yet who are forced to take a nasty little procedure and then banned from school?
October 22, 2021
+1
October 22, 2021
@LJ; Yet more denials from the “It’s just Flue” minority.
October 21, 2021
I refresh people’s memory, below, re the totally unjustified horrors of this appalling Enabling Covid Act 2020 :
Forced detention and isolation of anyone including children for any amount of time
Authorities can forcibly take biological samples
No clear access to legal rights from as-yet unidentified isolation facilities
State surveillance safeguards weakened and treatment under Mental Health Act weakened
Protections against forced detainment weakened.
Only one medic signature required to section anyone under Mental Health Act, or pronounce dead.
Government says these powers will terminate March 2022. but they will not honour this promise. These horrendous powers should definitely have been scrapped by now; if not scrapped by now, they never will be.
I was beyond disgusted at a footage at House of Commons Tuesday night where the few MPs (about 30 out of 650) bothering to attend decided not to bother with a vote. Above all they and the disgusting Speaker woman thought it was a huge laugh, showing theyobviously have nothing but contempt for the electorate.
Can you explain to me (I mean this) what is so amusing about turning this once free country into a totalitarian fascist state?
October 21, 2021
@mmc; “I was beyond disgusted at a footage at House of Commons Tuesday night where the few MPs (about 30 out of 650) bothering to attend decided not to bother with a vote.”
Well you must have been watching a different parliament to the one I was watching, never mind the one our host was present in, there was a vote, just not through the lobbies, and what point would there have been in a division, other than to show up just how few MP’s agree with your views!
More worrying was the inability for amendments to be tabled, now that is the real anti democratic scandal, so the govt carries on regardless, pretending the CV19 crisis is over.
October 22, 2021
I too would like an explanation.
The whole scene resembled those 15th Century Illuminations for Dante’s Divine Comedy.
WHY do those in Parliament find this whole episode is so hilarious? It is causing horrific grief to many…and those many pay their wages and expect proper representation.
October 22, 2021
More like Hogarth.
October 22, 2021
@EH; “It is causing horrific grief to many”
Indeed, yet you and others seem object to even the most simple but proven measures to stop the needless grief and distress, such as mandatory mask wearing… You, I suspect, would have been the sort of person who would have objected to the blackout in 1939, how dare the govt take our freedoms away!
October 21, 2021
It is good to hear that at least one of our MPs takes the government’s power grab seriously. Thank you, Sir John.
Can someone please explain how we know that these covid cases are in fact covid 19 and not some other respiratory illness ?
Also, do we really have the capacity to test correctly 50,000 cases per day ? It sounds a lot given that the PCR test is usually run at over 40 threshold cycles.
October 21, 2021
@Maylor; “how [do] we know that these covid cases are in fact covid 19 and not some other respiratory illness ?”
Duh, what do you not understand by the phrase – “Died within 28 days of a positive Covid 19 test”.
October 22, 2021
I wish that I was like Jerry and was able to believe everything the govt tell us.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/21/quarter-covid-hospital-patients-governments-data-not-admitted/
” The misuse of statistics has been one of the major criticisms levelled at politicians during the pandemic, with dubious figures and modelling often cited to justify draconian interventions.
So it was reassuring to find out on Thursday that the head of the UK Statistics Authority was also concerned about the misrepresentation of data by the Government.
What she (Jenny Harries) failed to mention is that this figure does not only include people admitted with Covid, but also those who test positive for coronavirus while in hospital for another condition. ”
And as pointed out below, the tests used are questionable to say the least.
October 22, 2021
@Maylor; I do not believe everything the (any) govt tells us, for from it [1], but when the same basic facts are being told by just about ever govt in the world, that either speaks of a massive and unlikely conspiracy theory or the basic facts are correct. But nor do I believe everything the press tells me either, and for good reason, they can be even more untruthful than any govt, the press have form for being very economical with the truth, after all we see it every four to five years when the election cycle comes around.
[1] for one, the UK death rate, we know the counting methodology was changed back around the time of the first lockdown so to not count those who die 29 days or later after testing positive for CV19.
October 21, 2021
The creator of the PCR test has stated that the results can be easily misinterpreted to mean anything and does not distinguish if positive results are infectious. It wasn’t intended as a diagnostic tool. It is dangerous unpleasant distressing and done for political reasons. It is particularly abominable when it is inflicted on children.
October 22, 2021
@mmc; How do we know if they are being ‘misinterpreted’, indeed how do we you have not misinterpreted what creator said/meant?
October 22, 2021
+1
The person who invented the PCR test ( specifically for AIDS research I believe) said ( on video) that it can be used to prove anything depending on amplifications used. He also said that it was definitely NOT a diagnostic tool.
Orange juice and cola test positive!
Anyway, whoever heard of well people being rounded up tested and isolated in this way?
Good grief, not many years ago presenteeism was the order of the day.
October 22, 2021
@EH; Inventors can say what they like, but it doesn’t mean their invention are being miss used, nor has the inventor told a lie, just perhaps being misrepresented accidentally or otherwise by others – after all the words “can”, “could” & “might” are the same weasel words that the green blob use to push their politics too.