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My Question to the Home Secretary during the Urgent Question on Channel crossings in small boats
November 22, 2021 112 Comments
November 22, 2021 112 Comments
112 Comments
Timaction November 22, 2021
Nothing to reassure me that she has this in hand or any actions to stop them or deport them. Totally useless, as is this Government. More taxes to keep them fed and watered in 4* Hotels. When are we taxpayers getting our free equivalents?
alan jutson November 22, 2021
Indeed, but when or if we need care we have to pay the first ÂŁ86,000 per person, Double it for a couple, having already paid into the system for 50 years plus..
Something here does not look balanced, or right at all does it.
Hope November 22, 2021
+1
Meanwhile after giving free four star hotels to criminals who entered the UK illegally, Johnson wants to punish poor people more than the rich to sell their home to pay for adult social care. Poor people paying a far larger proportion of their house than say a tiny fraction for Lord Goldsmithâs house in London!!
What is the tax hike on NIC really about other then getting his tax wielding foot in the door to squeeze more taxes from us!! It does not stop people being forced to sell their homes!! They also have to pay more NIC tax as well!! We also pay extra tax in our community charge bills for adult social care, that is not stopping! Taxing us three times for the same thing and forcing us to sell our houses?
Johnson is an absolute liar when he says he fiercely opposes tax rises. Is he completely stupid or does he think the rest of us are?
Come all ye economic migrants from around the world the land of luxury for free for you while the tax paying serfs are taxed until their pips squeak and are turfed out their homes! Levelling up under Johnson. What happened to camps in Syria to stop people travelling here?
rose November 22, 2021
She is not totally useless: she has a lot of legislation and treaties to undo and you know that takes for ever. It all has to be done properly, through both Houses and committee. And she can’t rely on the members of both Houses to co-operate. Most of them would rather see their constituents starve than be seen to be unwelcoming to illegal immigrants.
Then there is the Blob.
Instead of saying she is useless, you should be saying, if even she is unable to sort this out, what do we do? You should be making common cause with her, and with Barclay. They are not the enemy, and it is stupid and lazy to make out they are.
alan jutson November 22, 2021
Rose
Understand it’s not easy, but where there is a will there is a way, all covid legislation and restrictions were undertaken with emergency powers in a few days.
It is a question of needing the desire to sort it !
rose November 23, 2021
She lost her battle there too: she wanted to shut the borders. The prevailing opinion was that open borders in all circumstances are sacrosanct. She is not the enemy.
a-tracy November 23, 2021
Rose where can we see which MPs wanted to keep open borders? I agree with you this is not down to Ms Patel she is one cog in a government. A government that can move fast enough with an 80 seat majority when it suits.
Hope November 23, 2021
11 years Rose, 11 years of false and broken promises. Osborne said no one was serious in private. Johnson said they would be sent straight back. Have any of them been sent straight back? Get real Rose the comment is based on what they repeatedly promised. They knew the treaties etc existed when making the promises or where they stupid to comment before reading them?
a-tracy November 23, 2021
Hope, the question is which legislation, which law is stopped a three times failed asylum seeker to be put on a plane and sent back to Iraq.
formula57 November 23, 2021
@ rose – Mrs. Patel cannot sort it out because she is not a manager, rather she is a bold, strong, decisive articulator of what ought to be done but never is! That is not good enough, as the ever increasing flow (now a record 2,000 per week) proves.
No-one serious believes that with determination the flow could not be stopped and in short order. But you tell us in your defeatist way that ” you know that takes for ever” when it comes to legislation and treaties. No, I do not know that but I expect I will have to await Mrs. Patel’s successor before we see. (You do not work for the Home Office by chance, do you?)
Timaction November 23, 2021
I disagree with you Rose. She and the Government lack the political will to take enforcement action or enact appropriate legislation. After 11.5 years in office it is either gross incompetence or hidden policy. The blob “as you call it” should have been sorted years ago. Recruitment and selection processes were changed by Bliar and Campbell in 1997 to ensure a woke/pc outlook in all our health and public services. I lived it!! Why has this former conservative party not reformed this to ensure the correct candidates are now in place?? So my view on Priti remains the same………….useless.
dixie November 23, 2021
This government hasn’t been office for 11.5 years though – for the majority of that time we have had a pro-EU government … though I am not convinced about the pro-UK vs pro-EU balance of this one.
rose November 23, 2021
They have not had 11 and a half years. There was the Coalition in which the Liberals vetoed things; then there was a year of Cameron; then the May Mess. Then the pandemic. This administration is not even 2 years old.
I would have taken advantage of the pandemic to stop illegal immigration by taking emergency powers on health grounds. I bet it would have been overruled by the judges.
Paul Cuthbertson November 23, 2021
Rose – Plus the Globalist UK Establishment do not want to solve the problem. It is not in THEIR interest.
dixie November 23, 2021
I agree, it is so easy for the armchair ministers and “experts” on here to pass judgement but they do not have the responsibility nor face the complications or consequences of action.
Gary Megson November 23, 2021
You’re worried abut taxpayers. Doesn’t it occur to you that this government is very keen for you to think a few dozen desperate people in dinghies are the biggest problem the country faces? If you didn’t think that, you might start to wonder who has been in charge of the country over the last 11 years as our economy has shrunk, and lovely big contracts have been handed out to preferred VIP bidders
Peter2 November 24, 2021
Few dozen?
If only.
1000 a day is over 300,000 a year in dingies.
matthu November 22, 2021
So no discouragement other than to re-emphasize how dangerous the crossing is?
Perhaps we could try to quantify the danger:
How many have crossed successfully and how any have died in the process?
Is it more dangerous to cross by dinghy or in the back of a lorry (I think we know the answer).
Once you arrive, how likely is it that you will end up being deported within five years?
Nottingham Lad Himself November 22, 2021
You do realise that many, perhaps most of them, do not report themselves to the authorities but simply melt into the crowd, and only claim asylum if apprehended?
Didn’t think so.
And their numbers are considerably fewer than those landing normally on visas at airports who never return anyway.
matthu November 22, 2021
Nottingham Lad – How does anything you say impact at all what I have said? Why do you think you know ore than me about any of this?
Micky Taking November 23, 2021
Been on the beach asking them, confidentially of course, what their intentions are?
Roving reporter Martin, we have a lot to thank you for.
Hope November 22, 2021
Farage was derided and branded racist when he talked about the number of Albanians and Romanians arriving here. Keith Vaz welcomed the first who turned out to be a criminal!
Donna November 22, 2021
Ooooo one conviction of an Albanian people smuggler. Jolly good ….. and what, pray, is he doing in the UK in the first place?
Will he be deported when we’ve finished paying for his holiday in HM Prison (assuming he was jailed and not just given a stern telling off by a “liberal” judge)? Of course not. His Human Rights will prevent it.
Still, things are looking up a little. Over at the Daily Telegraph Nigel Farage is threatening to return to front-line politics over the Government’s abject failure to deal with the migrant invasion. That will certainly put the cat among the cowardly Government pigeons.
Hope November 22, 2021
We read many news stories that Migrantâs children running amok in corridors while travellers were forced to pay to isolate on return to their country at the same hotels!
Pensioners forced to pay for left wing BBC, migrants get it free to help with language! Pensioners could be given an uplift instead of paying criminals pocket money and takeaways! Come to that how many homeless people could be fed 8 stead of these criminals?
Come on JR, you all need to be much more forceful than this. The EU must be laughing that their plan to keep UK in the ECHR prevents the govt from taking any proper action to deport because of the deal Johnson signed up to!
Fedupsoutherner November 22, 2021
Dona. Yes just listening to Nigel Farage now and his thoughts on returning to politics. A big cheer went up in our house. Bring it on.
DavidJ November 23, 2021
Indeed.
Patters November 22, 2021
Put him in charge, watch him fail too. We cannot stop migrants arriving. We canât send them away unless another country will take them. In the EU rules are in place, we did send some away. Outside the EU, nada nothing zero, they are our responsibility, ours alone. You wanted to take back control? You got it, get on with it, theyâre your Brexit migrants
Fedupsoutherner November 23, 2021
Don’t be so wet Patters. Australia has shown there is a way to deal with this issue. It takes determination and a good sort out of present rules. It’s too simple to say it can’t be done. IT CAN.
Julian Flood November 23, 2021
Illegal/unconventional immigrants must be treated as the former until processed. Arrivals should be housed in cruise ships hired for that purpose — it can be done, military personnel were so housed in the Falklands — and the boats should be far enough from shore to prevent escape. All without papers should be covid and DNA tested, with details stored to prevent later problems. Only after details of origin are supplied should any other accommodation be offered.
Humane to the immigrant, fair to the UK taxpayer. How can anyone object?
JF
No Longer Anonymous November 23, 2021
Patters
Thanks to Brexit the issue is more visible to all.
What RNLI cover is there for British people in these waters during this mission ?
alan jutson November 23, 2021
Patters
So your solution appears to be, open or no borders then.
How is that working out in Poland, Greece, and the rest of the EU.
We are talking population movement here on a grand scale for economic reasons, if we let them all in, we would become an economic basket case ourselves.
Ian November 23, 2021
Well said
Micky Taking November 22, 2021
Ms Patel is getting the hang of avoiding a direct answer…
Nottingham Lad Himself November 22, 2021
Sir John, I rather doubt that those seeking asylum here are following proceedings in the House on a daily basis.
Peter2 November 22, 2021
Why ever not NHL?
They have mobile phones.
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What is the Home Secretary’s message…?
We’ll collect them from the beaches and lay on free transport to a four star hotel where they will be provided with free full board accommodation, free smart phones, free WiFi and pocket money. If they have any difficulty during the crossing we will dispatch boats to collect them and facilitate a safe crossing.
Come one, come all!
Jasper November 22, 2021
Peter 2 Apparently they receive an NI number too within 4 weeks so they can work and not get sucked into a life of crime / ridiculous as they have already broken the law on arrival!! Happy for them to work if it means we donât have to pay but canât see them being on a salary high enough to cover accommodation, food and living costs so long term this does not bode well for the UK or the tories!! Can I ask why do we provide them with a phone?? !!
X-Tory November 22, 2021
What a useless reply. She keeps going on about her cretinous new Bill but completely fails to appreciate that it will make NO difference whatsoever to either the number of invaders coming here or the number of deportations. Is she too stupid to understand this, or is she engaging in what magicians call ‘misdirection’ in order to fool those Conservative MPs and voters who *are* too stupid to understand it?
The only solution is to make it clear the UK will NOT grant either ILR or ELR to ANY asylum seeker, and then (i) open a tented camp in Africa where they are ALL immediately sent, and then (ii) deport them ALL back to their home country (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc). And the only way to do this is to first disapply the human rights laws to all those who enter the UK illegally.
Will Priti Useless do any of these things? NO. Which is why she is a total fraud, just like Boris and the rest of the government.
Hope November 22, 2021
If the UK can use rendition to send people to Egypt why not criminals who enter the country?
Gary Megson November 22, 2021
We can’t send them to Africa unless an African country accepts them. None will, why would they? It’s Britain’s problem. We can’t send them to their home country unless their home country accepts them. None will, why would they? It’s Britain’s problem. You’ve got your precious Brexit, isn’t it about time you realised you can’t do much all on your lonesome. Migrants come to Britian, Britain – and no one else – has to deal with them. Still, you knew what you were voting for, right?
Cheshire Girl November 23, 2021
Nice to see that the Remainers are rejoicing about this. They may be laughing on the other side of their faces, when their neighborhoods are overwhelmed, and their jobs are at risk.
DavidJ November 23, 2021
+1
alan jutson November 23, 2021
+1
Nottingham Lad Himself November 23, 2021
Nobody is rejoicing about desperate or gullible people being used as pawns in a cynical political game by the right wing, whether in Belorussia or her, believe me, CG.
DavidJ November 23, 2021
It is government incompetence or, more likely, unwillingness. Nothing to do with Brexit.
Original Richard November 23, 2021
Gary Megson :
Once these illegal are in the EU then EU are only too happy for them to leave the EU and cross the Channel to the UK. It has nothing to do with EU membership.
As demonstrated by the advice given the Mayor of Calais the EU would prefer it if we didnât make the UK so attractive to these illegal immigrants by offering them 4 star accommodation, free healthcare, ÂŁ40/week pocket money and the freedom to roam our streets. They donât in Calais.
The EU would be very happy if we were to lock them up and then deport them to their home countries as it would reduce the flow through the EU.
The EU are supporting Polandâs efforts to stop illegal migrants crossing into the EU through Poland.
Mike Wilson November 23, 2021
Hmmm. Australia is not in the EU. The USA is not in the EU. Most countries in the world are not in the EU. Do they all have to allow unlimited numbers of people to move to their countries because they are not in the EU? Greece is in the EU. They have a much bigger issue dealing with people entering their country illegally than we do. Your point, such as it is, is inane.
How many people would you allow to move here in 2022. Go on, give us a number. And, having provided a number, where are they to live? And, given they have paid nothing âinâ to the NHS, should they get free treatment on the NHS when those of us, like me, who âpaid inâ for 48 years, are forced to âgo privateâ when we need an operation because the NHS was AWOL?
Go on, letâs have your answers.
Donna November 23, 2021
I’d build suitable facilities for them on South Georgia ….. and when their application has been processed, if they’ve failed they’ll stay there until they decide to go back to their own countries.
You crow that it’s Britain’s problem but Merkel’s grandiose, unilateral decision to open the floodgates to millions of economic migrants was a reckless and foolish act which made a big contribution to creating this crisis, helped by the EU’s Schengen Agreement which allows them to pass through Europe to gather at Calais, entirely undocumented. Along with others, our government signed us up to the non-binding Global Compact etc with neither debate nor mandate and ignores the public calls to take urgent steps to halt the daily invasions, instead choosing to facilitate their arrival. The new Immigration & Borders Bill is further proof that Patel’s rhetoric is empty, opening the floodgates to unlimited legal immigration from Xxxxx
Britain is far from the only European country that is very unhappy with the vast levels of immigration from third world countries and cultures and governments should start listening to their citizens.
Dennis November 23, 2021
Isn’t there an intl, law which states that nationals must be accepted by their country? If nationals can be rejected why not n0t those nationals in the UK? Can the UK reject their own nationals?
Christine November 22, 2021
Her immigration bill will make things much worse. For example, why would a company employ a UK IT worker for 45k a year when they can hire one from India for half the price. The flood gates will open even wider but this time hitting higher paid jobs. The minimum wage for employing foreign workers must be set to above the average for the equivalent UK worker else our people will be forced to accept lower wages. Or maybe this is their intention. When will voters wake up to what’s planned for them?
Iain gill November 23, 2021
Agreed absolutely
Ian November 23, 2021
We are all on the right side of this, sadly this Government is still happy doing just what the EU sys
No Longer Anonymous November 22, 2021
She didn’t answer the question.
Clearly – at up to ÂŁ300,000k profit a boat – there are plenty of smugglers to step in to replace the arrested ones and the Mr Bigs aren’t the ones being caught.
The question was of the migrants themselves as to why they shouldn’t take the risk and why the crossing might not work.
An boat intercepted by UK Border Force or RNLI (“Stopped” as Ms Patel tells us) is mission accomplished, as far as the ‘refugee’ is concerned. So there is no real risk. As for safety there is probably more danger in going cold water swimming or surfing.
This issue is going to destroy the government.
It cannot be hidden – not even with a BBC news blackout.
Original Richard November 22, 2021
No Longer Anonymous : “It [illegal immigration across the Channel] cannot be hidden â not even with a BBC news blackout.”
This is true until the BBC believes it is an issue that can bring down a Conservative government.
No Longer Anonymous November 22, 2021
PS. While the RNLI is taken up on these missions are British people save in these waters ?
It would be interesting to see how their Christmas campaign is going.
Mike Wilson November 23, 2021
Why donât the people simply chip in and buy a boat themselves?
Dennis November 23, 2021
‘Why donât the people simply chip in and buy a boat themselves?’ Probably as the smugglers prohibit it by threats. You buy a boat we will destroy it.
formula57 November 22, 2021
So her answer confirms it will work for she has no shots in her locker, provided only one is willing to slight risk to life by undertaking the crossing!
Is Mrs. Patel really the best we can expect from this Government?
MPC November 22, 2021
The people smugglers and the illegal migrants must be quaking in their boots hearing the Home Secretary talk about what she intends to do in due course. They’ll probably all stop coming tomorrow. Crisis, what crisis? God help us now.
lifelogic November 22, 2021
+1 a pathetic reply from her. Demand the tools to do the job and do it or if you do not get them just resign woman.
gyges November 22, 2021
Mr Speaker:
We see the weaponisation of refugees, firstly by Erdogan in Turkey; secondly by Lukashenko on the border with Poland. This is done by allowing the refugees to pass through another country’s shared borders in order to apply political pressure.
Why is France (or the EU) participating in such a policy against us, and of course, the refugees?
Mike Wilson November 23, 2021
Why is France (or the EU) participating in such a policy against us, and of course, the refugees?
Because French politicians hate our guts because we rescued them twice in two world wars. The French people who are old enough to remember still salute our old soldiers when they visit on remembrance occasions.
Barbara November 22, 2021
Patel: âThere’s no simple solution to the migrant crisisâ.
Thatâs it – wring your hands, take your salary, mouth a few platitudes, have a meeting, wring your hands some more. Well worth your salary that we pay you đ
DavidJ November 23, 2021
+1
Dennis November 23, 2021
The solution of turning around boats is out of the question ‘cos perhaps, 10, 25, 50 100 people will drown and we can’t stomach one drowning altho it may stop the flow if this were the UK policy.
However to kill thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria with British bombs and expertise is perfectly OK – who is crying about that?
Gary Megson November 23, 2021
She’s right, there isn’t. But you Brexiters love simple solutions, don’t you. Simple solutions which collapse horribly once you finally collide with the real world. As you are finding with Brexit itself
Original Richard November 22, 2021
Since our Home Secretary is particularly worried about the safety of these 1000+/day illegal immigrants, who are mainly young men of fighting age who arrive without ID, and have paid the people smugglers large sums of money to transport them all the way from their homes to a UK 4 star hotel with ÂŁ40/week pocket money and then given the freedom to roam our streets, then no doubt she will be pleased to learn that next year the boats will become even bigger and consequently safer.
Cheshire Girl November 23, 2021
If these people refuse to disclose anything about themselves, age, country of origin etc. they should be forced to take a DNA test, but if course that would be against their human rights, as they well know.
In some respects, they are very fast learners!
Mike Wilson November 23, 2021
@Cheshire Girl
What would be the point of the DNA test?
Dennis November 23, 2021
Those refusing details of who they are should be detained until they do. Then any answers can be checked with simple questions such as – ‘you are from Kabul, then what is the name of the street on its left hand side or any similar question of a well known aspect of the proffered native place.
Original Richard November 22, 2021
The Governmentâs answers when questioned about the illegal immigrant invasion of mainly fighting men who arrive with no ID and which has now reached 1000+/day remind me of story of Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned.
The Government appear to be thinking that we will not notice what is happening if they secretly distribute these illegal migrants all around the country and put them up in 4 star hotels with ÂŁ40/week pocket money and give them the complete freedom to do as they please.
Itâs only taxpayersâ money after all and why should bringing large numbers of fighting age men with no ID and with entirely different attitudes, beliefs, cultures, education, practices, languages, values, habits and codes to our own and within themselves be detrimental to social cohesion?
DavidJ November 23, 2021
+1
Shirley M November 23, 2021
+100
The Prangwizard November 23, 2021
‘Boris’ is Nero. He probably thinks.of himself as some Emperer and Nero would be a good one.
Dennis November 23, 2021
Read the excellent article by Lionel Shriver titled ‘It’s Natural to be territorial’ on page 25 of the 28 Aug 2021 edition of ‘The Spectator’. This will tell all what this is all about.
Original Richard November 22, 2021
The Home Secretary says there is no magic bullet to stopping illegal immigration.
Perhaps not, but it would certainly help if these illegal immigrants were locked up whilst their cases for asylum were processed, particularly those who arrive with no ID, rather than putting them up in 4 star hotels, giving them ÂŁ40/week pocket money and giving them the freedom to roam our streets as they please.
And then of course deported.
DavidJ November 23, 2021
Australia did it so why can’t we, even if the crossing is shorter.
Nottingham Lad Himself November 23, 2021
The incidental fact that you just happen to hate them does not necessarily mean that they are bad people for whom imprisonment is appropriate.
They are entitled to due process, and if they are not, then neither are you, should the situation arise.
Timewas November 22, 2021
As if someone so far removed who was intent on making the perilous crossing would ever hear or know of such a question like this from a Home Secretary or anyone else. Only gies to show how far removed from reality you are yourself JR
formula57 November 23, 2021
@ Timewas – you do not suppose the question was not for the ear of prospective channel crossers but rather to entice the Home Secretary to explain exactly how all her efforts act to stop the flow? Of course, we know her efforts are a failure (can she beat her new 2,000 a week record? Yes she can!) but Sir John’s skill in framing his question as he did to force the admission was masterly.
Fedupsoutherner November 22, 2021
Just a load of old tosh that we’ve heard before. We expect nothing will be done.
Dawn Ingstreet November 22, 2021
Dear Sir John
Letâs forget for a moment that when mayor of London, Boris wanted to grant illegal migrants who had been here 12 years, amnesty. So letâs apply that logic to all criminals who manage to keep out of the clutches of the law for 12 years shall we? Absurd!
If Boris was serious, he would support Patel by taking the institutions to task, namely the the Home Office Civil Service, get rid, and start again.
He would stop the gravy train of billions in tax payer cash to human rights lawyers supporting migrants, and get rid of the rotten infestation in the jury of political activists.
He would make sure that EVERY migrant crossing the channel, receives NO benefits, but detention for their illegal activity, they have already broken the law by entering our country the way they have.
He would put an end to the absurd situation where anyone who has been here 5 years can have citizenship, a ludicrously small amount of time, and shows how little our rotten civil service and governments think of the British people. We already know how ,I have hatred they have for the English.
The government is foolish to ignore this issue. We, the electorate, are truly sick to the back teeth of being taken for granted.
How many more terrorist threats do we need in this country?
Here is one voter who will tell my faux Tory mp where to stick it at the next election. He can join the dole queue for all I care.
Your next question needs to be to Boris: what are you going to do Boris, about the thousands of illegal migrants already here, and what would he like to say to voters, especially those who lied to in the red wall?
Nottingham Lad Himself November 24, 2021
Simply being here without lawful authority is not a crime, nor is it in any civilised country.
Murphy November 22, 2021
Pass some of them over to ireland here.. we currently need 4000 HGV drivers we’ll do a deal with them train them up and then put then them on contact for ten years
Micky Taking November 22, 2021
Govt gets its social care amendment through by 272 to 246. Majority slashed but Tory abstainers will be worth examining.
Everhopeful November 22, 2021
Very good at the old finger wagging and attempts at strident put down.
Not so good at doing the job in hand.
Pretty hopeless in fact!
Grennell November 22, 2021
Looking at tonight’s vote I can only say that in the great rat race there’s only one thing for sure – a rat will alway’s win
Peter2 November 22, 2021
You lefties just dont get voting do you.
mancunius November 22, 2021
The Home Secretary is wrong: these people are almost never putting their lives at risk. They now dispose over extra resilient and stable boats (presumably sold to them by the French), boats that will easily cope with even these late autumnal seas, and probably the winter weather as well, and they can rely on the officious help of the RNLI. Their feigned ‘need for rescue’ is a ploy to be ushered onto our shores by the RNLI, who seem officiously keen to aid this invasion. Because that’s what this is, an invasion that also conceals systematic terrorist infiltration into our country.
Cheshire Girl November 23, 2021
Pritti Patel talks about going after the people smugglers. More to the point, how many people with a criminal record, are arriving in these boats? The answer is, we don’t know.
We donât know anything about them. Where they come from, who they are, the state of their health, criminal record etc. What Country, in their right mind, would allow this to continue.!!!
Cheshire Girl November 23, 2021
Sorry for so many posts from me on this thread, but I just had to post again.
Ive just seen an article on BBC News, saying that Councils are to be âforcedâ to take some of the migrant children coming across the Channel.
Frankly, I think this monstrous. Words fail me!
Original Richard November 23, 2021
Cheshire Girl :
The BBC persistently cover the illegal migrant invasion with this story about âmigrant childrenâ in order to not report that 90% of these illegal immigrants are young men of fighting age.
And BTW the Home Officeâs definition of a âmigrant childâ is anyone aged 25 years or younger.
Mike Wilson November 23, 2021
@Cheshire Girl
Why? Whatâs the problem? There are loads of empty places in our local schools. My local GP surgery has 3 part time GPs and only 6000 people on its list. Itâs very easy to ask for an appointment. Not so easy to get one. âHave you rung 111?â
DavidJ November 23, 2021
There is only one sensible response to this; the inaction over several years just confirms that government does not want it stopped. Orders from a global authority?
Donna November 23, 2021
Correct. It isn’t a failure to deal with it; it’s a refusal.
The Government will only do something when it is forced to by the prospect of electoral annihilation, which is why Nigel Farage’s statement yesterday was very welcome.
DavidJ November 23, 2021
Sack Prity and the Border Force; give the job to the Navy.
Mike Wilson November 23, 2021
Give the job toCaptain Mainwaring and Corporal Jones. No, wait, theyâre already doing it.
rose November 23, 2021
Admiral Lord West explained why the boats could not be pushed back. He explained it to Mr Farage who backed down for a few weeks but without apologising. Now Farage has started up again, making out it is all a doddle, just a matter of political will. He never says now what he would do, before any legislation has gone through, just prompts people to demand the head of the Home Secretary.
The Prangwizard November 23, 2021
An easy question to dodge and easily dodged by someone who like ‘Boris’ is part of the elite and under willing control of government and other bodies who wish to destroy our will.
Won’t be long before my forecast of 50,000 illegals is met and Home Office fake numbers exposed.
Why do so many Tories emphase them as victims of smugglers as if they were foreced into boats? They want to get here and why should we care that they pay for it? Tell us how they are criminally controlled when they get here while living in 4 star hotels at our expense?
Also it is not dangerous to travel- if it were there would be many deaths but there aren’t.
Tory government and globalist deceit. National sovereignty and English identity are still being willfully destroyed.
Original Richard November 23, 2021
The issue regarding the massive illegal immigration of 1000+/day of young men of fighting age is not simply one of the economic cost of hotel accommodation, healthcare and pocket money and/or the increasing the numbers in our already densely populated country.
It is, as demonstrated by recent terrorist events, that just because these illegal immigrants are coming to the UK âfor a better lifeâ (whilst leaving their mothers, sisters and daughters behind), and safety from tribal and religious/cultural intolerances back home does NOT mean they, or their offspring, wish to integrate into our society and are happy to accept our laws and culture.
Continued immigration risks the UK (and the EU) of becoming a replica of the ME and Africa.
Mike Wilson November 23, 2021
I appreciate it is easy to say âweâre full up, we donât want any more people hereâ. I live near the coast and walk my dog along the beach several times a week. What would I do if I encountered a boat full of people arriving on the beach – cold, hungry and terrified with only the shirts on their backs? Would I look for a boat hook and push them away saying âgo back where you came from?â Well, I hope I still have a shred of human decency and would help them ashore and do what I could for them.
I realise such an emotional response is not an answer to a difficult problem – but, I think many on here would like to see the navy patrol and blockade our waters. But would you push them back into the sea?
Sick of cacillation November 23, 2021
This is tiresome.
Itâs not what you say itâs what you achieve, currently this is an exercise in incompetence & soundbites.
This is costing the UK. a fortune & itâs no good requesting solutions – that is a politicians job & why they should be FULL TIME & fully engaged.
Sick of vacillation November 23, 2021
Daily update of action & progress would be helpful
Hardly an adequate answer to a reasonable question.
Diane November 23, 2021
So ministers are now to make it compulsory, previously voluntary, for councils to accept child asylum seekers under the National Transfer Scheme & if media correct, to make payments to councils of ÂŁ143 per child per night. We see very few children arriving by illegal channel crossing boats.
As part of the bilateral UK / Greece agreement signed 22 April 2020, the Joint Action Plan by the UK & Greece on Migration, we were bringing in children from Greek camps, some to reunite with families already here in the UK where in May 2020 it was reported there were around 1500 unaccompanied minors in Greek camps and a further 3500 stranded on the mainland. One assumes this was still operating until Jan 2021 up to the point of when the UK was still bound under the Dublin Agreement. So maybe by now this has changed but there is recently talk of dialogue, ideas and alliances with Greece who seem to not be following the EUâs rulings to the letter, like some others, which seems to be a good thing. Itâs stated that Greek authorities believe 90% of illegal migrants in the EU enter through Greece. France: in 2020 despite around 1200 British requests to return illegals to France just 25 were returned ( recent statistic from facts4eu )
At home what I find sickening is those voices currently in the media, activists and so called charities telling us that migrants & asylum seekers are confronted with hostility and placed in poor quality accommodation. I suggest they depart from their own bubbles and look to getting out more & take a good look at some of the very hotels and other accommodation units the UK is providing for these people which they appear to complain about. Not to mention all else which is on offer; hotels & support services, coach transport, no doubt translators, food, mobile phones, laptops in some cases, cash, medical, dental and educational. I think the British tax payers are going well above & beyond. And they know it.
Dennis November 23, 2021
It is often said that the British always have welcomed refugees – note the kinder transport children.
Not a lot of people know that they were accepted on the provision that they would be sent on to Palestine but the start of the war prevented that. Also very few wanted to accept those children in their homes – a sad history.
Micky Taking November 24, 2021
Distressing news today Weds 24th, just what we feared. A boat has sunk it seems with a number of people tipped into the sea off Calais. French sources suggest at least 5 dead, and a number of others retrieved but unconscious from the water.
DB November 25, 2021
Blaming the people smugglers is just pathetic and won’t help the government. Why isn’t the government collecting the illegal immigrants as they arrive in their dinghies and putting them on a plane back to Somalia within three hours? If it did that, the dinghy crossings would cease within a couple of days and no one would drown crossing the channel.
APL November 25, 2021
Redwood in that hot air factory once known as Parliament: “bla bla bla”
Suddenly, politicians notice migrants. These are not ‘channel crossings in small boats’ these are unlawful attempts to enter the United Kindgom.
Hitherto completely ignored by the British government.
These vessels should be intercepted by the RN and escorted back to French waters where they originated.
Politicians by turning a blind eye to these people, are tacitly condoning, assisting and accomodating so called ‘people trafficing’.
The government should find out how many of these so called ‘people traffikers’ are NGO funded operations, shut off the funding immediately. And arrest all staff members of the identified NGO.
Rhoddas November 25, 2021
The sad 31 deaths happened on the French watch, been on cards for years, MSM should turn, that people are so desperate to leave the brutal regime of France and the risks they will take, full 15 mins top of every news for next month…
Summon ambassador, complain to eu, complain to court of human rights, full 10/10
Panarama and dispatches special on plight of migrants under Macron’s brutal regime…
Rhoddas November 25, 2021
C4 news hour of woke reporter asking them how badly they been treated and want to go back to syria/iraq/iran/somaila than stay in france and willing to risk lives making dangerous crossing to uk where we treat people with dignity despite it not being our problem
Secret videos of them getting beaten by french police, spanish police, other eu police
November 22, 2021
Nothing to reassure me that she has this in hand or any actions to stop them or deport them. Totally useless, as is this Government. More taxes to keep them fed and watered in 4* Hotels. When are we taxpayers getting our free equivalents?
November 22, 2021
Indeed, but when or if we need care we have to pay the first ÂŁ86,000 per person, Double it for a couple, having already paid into the system for 50 years plus..
Something here does not look balanced, or right at all does it.
November 22, 2021
+1
Meanwhile after giving free four star hotels to criminals who entered the UK illegally, Johnson wants to punish poor people more than the rich to sell their home to pay for adult social care. Poor people paying a far larger proportion of their house than say a tiny fraction for Lord Goldsmithâs house in London!!
What is the tax hike on NIC really about other then getting his tax wielding foot in the door to squeeze more taxes from us!! It does not stop people being forced to sell their homes!! They also have to pay more NIC tax as well!! We also pay extra tax in our community charge bills for adult social care, that is not stopping! Taxing us three times for the same thing and forcing us to sell our houses?
Johnson is an absolute liar when he says he fiercely opposes tax rises. Is he completely stupid or does he think the rest of us are?
Come all ye economic migrants from around the world the land of luxury for free for you while the tax paying serfs are taxed until their pips squeak and are turfed out their homes! Levelling up under Johnson. What happened to camps in Syria to stop people travelling here?
November 22, 2021
She is not totally useless: she has a lot of legislation and treaties to undo and you know that takes for ever. It all has to be done properly, through both Houses and committee. And she can’t rely on the members of both Houses to co-operate. Most of them would rather see their constituents starve than be seen to be unwelcoming to illegal immigrants.
Then there is the Blob.
Instead of saying she is useless, you should be saying, if even she is unable to sort this out, what do we do? You should be making common cause with her, and with Barclay. They are not the enemy, and it is stupid and lazy to make out they are.
November 22, 2021
Rose
Understand it’s not easy, but where there is a will there is a way, all covid legislation and restrictions were undertaken with emergency powers in a few days.
It is a question of needing the desire to sort it !
November 23, 2021
She lost her battle there too: she wanted to shut the borders. The prevailing opinion was that open borders in all circumstances are sacrosanct. She is not the enemy.
November 23, 2021
Rose where can we see which MPs wanted to keep open borders? I agree with you this is not down to Ms Patel she is one cog in a government. A government that can move fast enough with an 80 seat majority when it suits.
November 23, 2021
11 years Rose, 11 years of false and broken promises. Osborne said no one was serious in private. Johnson said they would be sent straight back. Have any of them been sent straight back? Get real Rose the comment is based on what they repeatedly promised. They knew the treaties etc existed when making the promises or where they stupid to comment before reading them?
November 23, 2021
Hope, the question is which legislation, which law is stopped a three times failed asylum seeker to be put on a plane and sent back to Iraq.
November 23, 2021
@ rose – Mrs. Patel cannot sort it out because she is not a manager, rather she is a bold, strong, decisive articulator of what ought to be done but never is! That is not good enough, as the ever increasing flow (now a record 2,000 per week) proves.
No-one serious believes that with determination the flow could not be stopped and in short order. But you tell us in your defeatist way that ” you know that takes for ever” when it comes to legislation and treaties. No, I do not know that but I expect I will have to await Mrs. Patel’s successor before we see. (You do not work for the Home Office by chance, do you?)
November 23, 2021
I disagree with you Rose. She and the Government lack the political will to take enforcement action or enact appropriate legislation. After 11.5 years in office it is either gross incompetence or hidden policy. The blob “as you call it” should have been sorted years ago. Recruitment and selection processes were changed by Bliar and Campbell in 1997 to ensure a woke/pc outlook in all our health and public services. I lived it!! Why has this former conservative party not reformed this to ensure the correct candidates are now in place?? So my view on Priti remains the same………….useless.
November 23, 2021
This government hasn’t been office for 11.5 years though – for the majority of that time we have had a pro-EU government … though I am not convinced about the pro-UK vs pro-EU balance of this one.
November 23, 2021
They have not had 11 and a half years. There was the Coalition in which the Liberals vetoed things; then there was a year of Cameron; then the May Mess. Then the pandemic. This administration is not even 2 years old.
I would have taken advantage of the pandemic to stop illegal immigration by taking emergency powers on health grounds. I bet it would have been overruled by the judges.
November 23, 2021
Rose – Plus the Globalist UK Establishment do not want to solve the problem. It is not in THEIR interest.
November 23, 2021
I agree, it is so easy for the armchair ministers and “experts” on here to pass judgement but they do not have the responsibility nor face the complications or consequences of action.
November 23, 2021
You’re worried abut taxpayers. Doesn’t it occur to you that this government is very keen for you to think a few dozen desperate people in dinghies are the biggest problem the country faces? If you didn’t think that, you might start to wonder who has been in charge of the country over the last 11 years as our economy has shrunk, and lovely big contracts have been handed out to preferred VIP bidders
November 24, 2021
Few dozen?
If only.
1000 a day is over 300,000 a year in dingies.
November 22, 2021
So no discouragement other than to re-emphasize how dangerous the crossing is?
Perhaps we could try to quantify the danger:
How many have crossed successfully and how any have died in the process?
Is it more dangerous to cross by dinghy or in the back of a lorry (I think we know the answer).
Once you arrive, how likely is it that you will end up being deported within five years?
November 22, 2021
You do realise that many, perhaps most of them, do not report themselves to the authorities but simply melt into the crowd, and only claim asylum if apprehended?
Didn’t think so.
And their numbers are considerably fewer than those landing normally on visas at airports who never return anyway.
November 22, 2021
Nottingham Lad – How does anything you say impact at all what I have said? Why do you think you know ore than me about any of this?
November 23, 2021
Been on the beach asking them, confidentially of course, what their intentions are?
Roving reporter Martin, we have a lot to thank you for.
November 22, 2021
Farage was derided and branded racist when he talked about the number of Albanians and Romanians arriving here. Keith Vaz welcomed the first who turned out to be a criminal!
November 22, 2021
Ooooo one conviction of an Albanian people smuggler. Jolly good ….. and what, pray, is he doing in the UK in the first place?
Will he be deported when we’ve finished paying for his holiday in HM Prison (assuming he was jailed and not just given a stern telling off by a “liberal” judge)? Of course not. His Human Rights will prevent it.
Still, things are looking up a little. Over at the Daily Telegraph Nigel Farage is threatening to return to front-line politics over the Government’s abject failure to deal with the migrant invasion. That will certainly put the cat among the cowardly Government pigeons.
November 22, 2021
We read many news stories that Migrantâs children running amok in corridors while travellers were forced to pay to isolate on return to their country at the same hotels!
Pensioners forced to pay for left wing BBC, migrants get it free to help with language! Pensioners could be given an uplift instead of paying criminals pocket money and takeaways! Come to that how many homeless people could be fed 8 stead of these criminals?
Come on JR, you all need to be much more forceful than this. The EU must be laughing that their plan to keep UK in the ECHR prevents the govt from taking any proper action to deport because of the deal Johnson signed up to!
November 22, 2021
Dona. Yes just listening to Nigel Farage now and his thoughts on returning to politics. A big cheer went up in our house. Bring it on.
November 23, 2021
Indeed.
November 22, 2021
Put him in charge, watch him fail too. We cannot stop migrants arriving. We canât send them away unless another country will take them. In the EU rules are in place, we did send some away. Outside the EU, nada nothing zero, they are our responsibility, ours alone. You wanted to take back control? You got it, get on with it, theyâre your Brexit migrants
November 23, 2021
Don’t be so wet Patters. Australia has shown there is a way to deal with this issue. It takes determination and a good sort out of present rules. It’s too simple to say it can’t be done. IT CAN.
November 23, 2021
Illegal/unconventional immigrants must be treated as the former until processed. Arrivals should be housed in cruise ships hired for that purpose — it can be done, military personnel were so housed in the Falklands — and the boats should be far enough from shore to prevent escape. All without papers should be covid and DNA tested, with details stored to prevent later problems. Only after details of origin are supplied should any other accommodation be offered.
Humane to the immigrant, fair to the UK taxpayer. How can anyone object?
JF
November 23, 2021
Patters
Thanks to Brexit the issue is more visible to all.
What RNLI cover is there for British people in these waters during this mission ?
November 23, 2021
Patters
So your solution appears to be, open or no borders then.
How is that working out in Poland, Greece, and the rest of the EU.
We are talking population movement here on a grand scale for economic reasons, if we let them all in, we would become an economic basket case ourselves.
November 23, 2021
Well said
November 22, 2021
Ms Patel is getting the hang of avoiding a direct answer…
November 22, 2021
Sir John, I rather doubt that those seeking asylum here are following proceedings in the House on a daily basis.
November 22, 2021
Why ever not NHL?
They have mobile phones.
November 22, 2021
What is the Home Secretary’s message…?
We’ll collect them from the beaches and lay on free transport to a four star hotel where they will be provided with free full board accommodation, free smart phones, free WiFi and pocket money. If they have any difficulty during the crossing we will dispatch boats to collect them and facilitate a safe crossing.
Come one, come all!
November 22, 2021
Peter 2 Apparently they receive an NI number too within 4 weeks so they can work and not get sucked into a life of crime / ridiculous as they have already broken the law on arrival!! Happy for them to work if it means we donât have to pay but canât see them being on a salary high enough to cover accommodation, food and living costs so long term this does not bode well for the UK or the tories!! Can I ask why do we provide them with a phone?? !!
November 22, 2021
What a useless reply. She keeps going on about her cretinous new Bill but completely fails to appreciate that it will make NO difference whatsoever to either the number of invaders coming here or the number of deportations. Is she too stupid to understand this, or is she engaging in what magicians call ‘misdirection’ in order to fool those Conservative MPs and voters who *are* too stupid to understand it?
The only solution is to make it clear the UK will NOT grant either ILR or ELR to ANY asylum seeker, and then (i) open a tented camp in Africa where they are ALL immediately sent, and then (ii) deport them ALL back to their home country (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc). And the only way to do this is to first disapply the human rights laws to all those who enter the UK illegally.
Will Priti Useless do any of these things? NO. Which is why she is a total fraud, just like Boris and the rest of the government.
November 22, 2021
If the UK can use rendition to send people to Egypt why not criminals who enter the country?
November 22, 2021
We can’t send them to Africa unless an African country accepts them. None will, why would they? It’s Britain’s problem. We can’t send them to their home country unless their home country accepts them. None will, why would they? It’s Britain’s problem. You’ve got your precious Brexit, isn’t it about time you realised you can’t do much all on your lonesome. Migrants come to Britian, Britain – and no one else – has to deal with them. Still, you knew what you were voting for, right?
November 23, 2021
Nice to see that the Remainers are rejoicing about this. They may be laughing on the other side of their faces, when their neighborhoods are overwhelmed, and their jobs are at risk.
November 23, 2021
+1
November 23, 2021
+1
November 23, 2021
Nobody is rejoicing about desperate or gullible people being used as pawns in a cynical political game by the right wing, whether in Belorussia or her, believe me, CG.
November 23, 2021
It is government incompetence or, more likely, unwillingness. Nothing to do with Brexit.
November 23, 2021
Gary Megson :
Once these illegal are in the EU then EU are only too happy for them to leave the EU and cross the Channel to the UK. It has nothing to do with EU membership.
As demonstrated by the advice given the Mayor of Calais the EU would prefer it if we didnât make the UK so attractive to these illegal immigrants by offering them 4 star accommodation, free healthcare, ÂŁ40/week pocket money and the freedom to roam our streets. They donât in Calais.
The EU would be very happy if we were to lock them up and then deport them to their home countries as it would reduce the flow through the EU.
The EU are supporting Polandâs efforts to stop illegal migrants crossing into the EU through Poland.
November 23, 2021
Hmmm. Australia is not in the EU. The USA is not in the EU. Most countries in the world are not in the EU. Do they all have to allow unlimited numbers of people to move to their countries because they are not in the EU? Greece is in the EU. They have a much bigger issue dealing with people entering their country illegally than we do. Your point, such as it is, is inane.
How many people would you allow to move here in 2022. Go on, give us a number. And, having provided a number, where are they to live? And, given they have paid nothing âinâ to the NHS, should they get free treatment on the NHS when those of us, like me, who âpaid inâ for 48 years, are forced to âgo privateâ when we need an operation because the NHS was AWOL?
Go on, letâs have your answers.
November 23, 2021
I’d build suitable facilities for them on South Georgia ….. and when their application has been processed, if they’ve failed they’ll stay there until they decide to go back to their own countries.
November 23, 2021
You crow that it’s Britain’s problem but Merkel’s grandiose, unilateral decision to open the floodgates to millions of economic migrants was a reckless and foolish act which made a big contribution to creating this crisis, helped by the EU’s Schengen Agreement which allows them to pass through Europe to gather at Calais, entirely undocumented. Along with others, our government signed us up to the non-binding Global Compact etc with neither debate nor mandate and ignores the public calls to take urgent steps to halt the daily invasions, instead choosing to facilitate their arrival. The new Immigration & Borders Bill is further proof that Patel’s rhetoric is empty, opening the floodgates to unlimited legal immigration from Xxxxx
Britain is far from the only European country that is very unhappy with the vast levels of immigration from third world countries and cultures and governments should start listening to their citizens.
November 23, 2021
Isn’t there an intl, law which states that nationals must be accepted by their country? If nationals can be rejected why not n0t those nationals in the UK? Can the UK reject their own nationals?
November 22, 2021
Her immigration bill will make things much worse. For example, why would a company employ a UK IT worker for 45k a year when they can hire one from India for half the price. The flood gates will open even wider but this time hitting higher paid jobs. The minimum wage for employing foreign workers must be set to above the average for the equivalent UK worker else our people will be forced to accept lower wages. Or maybe this is their intention. When will voters wake up to what’s planned for them?
November 23, 2021
Agreed absolutely
November 23, 2021
We are all on the right side of this, sadly this Government is still happy doing just what the EU sys
November 22, 2021
She didn’t answer the question.
Clearly – at up to ÂŁ300,000k profit a boat – there are plenty of smugglers to step in to replace the arrested ones and the Mr Bigs aren’t the ones being caught.
The question was of the migrants themselves as to why they shouldn’t take the risk and why the crossing might not work.
An boat intercepted by UK Border Force or RNLI (“Stopped” as Ms Patel tells us) is mission accomplished, as far as the ‘refugee’ is concerned. So there is no real risk. As for safety there is probably more danger in going cold water swimming or surfing.
This issue is going to destroy the government.
It cannot be hidden – not even with a BBC news blackout.
November 22, 2021
No Longer Anonymous : “It [illegal immigration across the Channel] cannot be hidden â not even with a BBC news blackout.”
This is true until the BBC believes it is an issue that can bring down a Conservative government.
November 22, 2021
PS. While the RNLI is taken up on these missions are British people save in these waters ?
It would be interesting to see how their Christmas campaign is going.
November 23, 2021
Why donât the people simply chip in and buy a boat themselves?
November 23, 2021
‘Why donât the people simply chip in and buy a boat themselves?’ Probably as the smugglers prohibit it by threats. You buy a boat we will destroy it.
November 22, 2021
So her answer confirms it will work for she has no shots in her locker, provided only one is willing to slight risk to life by undertaking the crossing!
Is Mrs. Patel really the best we can expect from this Government?
November 22, 2021
The people smugglers and the illegal migrants must be quaking in their boots hearing the Home Secretary talk about what she intends to do in due course. They’ll probably all stop coming tomorrow. Crisis, what crisis? God help us now.
November 22, 2021
+1 a pathetic reply from her. Demand the tools to do the job and do it or if you do not get them just resign woman.
November 22, 2021
Mr Speaker:
We see the weaponisation of refugees, firstly by Erdogan in Turkey; secondly by Lukashenko on the border with Poland. This is done by allowing the refugees to pass through another country’s shared borders in order to apply political pressure.
Why is France (or the EU) participating in such a policy against us, and of course, the refugees?
November 23, 2021
Because French politicians hate our guts because we rescued them twice in two world wars. The French people who are old enough to remember still salute our old soldiers when they visit on remembrance occasions.
November 22, 2021
Patel: âThere’s no simple solution to the migrant crisisâ.
Thatâs it – wring your hands, take your salary, mouth a few platitudes, have a meeting, wring your hands some more. Well worth your salary that we pay you đ
November 23, 2021
+1
November 23, 2021
The solution of turning around boats is out of the question ‘cos perhaps, 10, 25, 50 100 people will drown and we can’t stomach one drowning altho it may stop the flow if this were the UK policy.
However to kill thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria with British bombs and expertise is perfectly OK – who is crying about that?
November 23, 2021
She’s right, there isn’t. But you Brexiters love simple solutions, don’t you. Simple solutions which collapse horribly once you finally collide with the real world. As you are finding with Brexit itself
November 22, 2021
Since our Home Secretary is particularly worried about the safety of these 1000+/day illegal immigrants, who are mainly young men of fighting age who arrive without ID, and have paid the people smugglers large sums of money to transport them all the way from their homes to a UK 4 star hotel with ÂŁ40/week pocket money and then given the freedom to roam our streets, then no doubt she will be pleased to learn that next year the boats will become even bigger and consequently safer.
November 23, 2021
If these people refuse to disclose anything about themselves, age, country of origin etc. they should be forced to take a DNA test, but if course that would be against their human rights, as they well know.
In some respects, they are very fast learners!
November 23, 2021
@Cheshire Girl
What would be the point of the DNA test?
November 23, 2021
Those refusing details of who they are should be detained until they do. Then any answers can be checked with simple questions such as – ‘you are from Kabul, then what is the name of the street on its left hand side or any similar question of a well known aspect of the proffered native place.
November 22, 2021
The Governmentâs answers when questioned about the illegal immigrant invasion of mainly fighting men who arrive with no ID and which has now reached 1000+/day remind me of story of Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned.
The Government appear to be thinking that we will not notice what is happening if they secretly distribute these illegal migrants all around the country and put them up in 4 star hotels with ÂŁ40/week pocket money and give them the complete freedom to do as they please.
Itâs only taxpayersâ money after all and why should bringing large numbers of fighting age men with no ID and with entirely different attitudes, beliefs, cultures, education, practices, languages, values, habits and codes to our own and within themselves be detrimental to social cohesion?
November 23, 2021
+1
November 23, 2021
+100
November 23, 2021
‘Boris’ is Nero. He probably thinks.of himself as some Emperer and Nero would be a good one.
November 23, 2021
Read the excellent article by Lionel Shriver titled ‘It’s Natural to be territorial’ on page 25 of the 28 Aug 2021 edition of ‘The Spectator’. This will tell all what this is all about.
November 22, 2021
The Home Secretary says there is no magic bullet to stopping illegal immigration.
Perhaps not, but it would certainly help if these illegal immigrants were locked up whilst their cases for asylum were processed, particularly those who arrive with no ID, rather than putting them up in 4 star hotels, giving them ÂŁ40/week pocket money and giving them the freedom to roam our streets as they please.
And then of course deported.
November 23, 2021
Australia did it so why can’t we, even if the crossing is shorter.
November 23, 2021
The incidental fact that you just happen to hate them does not necessarily mean that they are bad people for whom imprisonment is appropriate.
They are entitled to due process, and if they are not, then neither are you, should the situation arise.
November 22, 2021
As if someone so far removed who was intent on making the perilous crossing would ever hear or know of such a question like this from a Home Secretary or anyone else. Only gies to show how far removed from reality you are yourself JR
November 23, 2021
@ Timewas – you do not suppose the question was not for the ear of prospective channel crossers but rather to entice the Home Secretary to explain exactly how all her efforts act to stop the flow? Of course, we know her efforts are a failure (can she beat her new 2,000 a week record? Yes she can!) but Sir John’s skill in framing his question as he did to force the admission was masterly.
November 22, 2021
Just a load of old tosh that we’ve heard before. We expect nothing will be done.
November 22, 2021
Dear Sir John
Letâs forget for a moment that when mayor of London, Boris wanted to grant illegal migrants who had been here 12 years, amnesty. So letâs apply that logic to all criminals who manage to keep out of the clutches of the law for 12 years shall we? Absurd!
If Boris was serious, he would support Patel by taking the institutions to task, namely the the Home Office Civil Service, get rid, and start again.
He would stop the gravy train of billions in tax payer cash to human rights lawyers supporting migrants, and get rid of the rotten infestation in the jury of political activists.
He would make sure that EVERY migrant crossing the channel, receives NO benefits, but detention for their illegal activity, they have already broken the law by entering our country the way they have.
He would put an end to the absurd situation where anyone who has been here 5 years can have citizenship, a ludicrously small amount of time, and shows how little our rotten civil service and governments think of the British people. We already know how ,I have hatred they have for the English.
The government is foolish to ignore this issue. We, the electorate, are truly sick to the back teeth of being taken for granted.
How many more terrorist threats do we need in this country?
Here is one voter who will tell my faux Tory mp where to stick it at the next election. He can join the dole queue for all I care.
Your next question needs to be to Boris: what are you going to do Boris, about the thousands of illegal migrants already here, and what would he like to say to voters, especially those who lied to in the red wall?
November 24, 2021
Simply being here without lawful authority is not a crime, nor is it in any civilised country.
November 22, 2021
Pass some of them over to ireland here.. we currently need 4000 HGV drivers we’ll do a deal with them train them up and then put then them on contact for ten years
November 22, 2021
Govt gets its social care amendment through by 272 to 246. Majority slashed but Tory abstainers will be worth examining.
November 22, 2021
Very good at the old finger wagging and attempts at strident put down.
Not so good at doing the job in hand.
Pretty hopeless in fact!
November 22, 2021
Looking at tonight’s vote I can only say that in the great rat race there’s only one thing for sure – a rat will alway’s win
November 22, 2021
You lefties just dont get voting do you.
November 22, 2021
The Home Secretary is wrong: these people are almost never putting their lives at risk. They now dispose over extra resilient and stable boats (presumably sold to them by the French), boats that will easily cope with even these late autumnal seas, and probably the winter weather as well, and they can rely on the officious help of the RNLI. Their feigned ‘need for rescue’ is a ploy to be ushered onto our shores by the RNLI, who seem officiously keen to aid this invasion. Because that’s what this is, an invasion that also conceals systematic terrorist infiltration into our country.
November 23, 2021
Pritti Patel talks about going after the people smugglers. More to the point, how many people with a criminal record, are arriving in these boats? The answer is, we don’t know.
We donât know anything about them. Where they come from, who they are, the state of their health, criminal record etc. What Country, in their right mind, would allow this to continue.!!!
November 23, 2021
Sorry for so many posts from me on this thread, but I just had to post again.
Ive just seen an article on BBC News, saying that Councils are to be âforcedâ to take some of the migrant children coming across the Channel.
Frankly, I think this monstrous. Words fail me!
November 23, 2021
Cheshire Girl :
The BBC persistently cover the illegal migrant invasion with this story about âmigrant childrenâ in order to not report that 90% of these illegal immigrants are young men of fighting age.
And BTW the Home Officeâs definition of a âmigrant childâ is anyone aged 25 years or younger.
November 23, 2021
@Cheshire Girl
Why? Whatâs the problem? There are loads of empty places in our local schools. My local GP surgery has 3 part time GPs and only 6000 people on its list. Itâs very easy to ask for an appointment. Not so easy to get one. âHave you rung 111?â
November 23, 2021
There is only one sensible response to this; the inaction over several years just confirms that government does not want it stopped. Orders from a global authority?
November 23, 2021
Correct. It isn’t a failure to deal with it; it’s a refusal.
The Government will only do something when it is forced to by the prospect of electoral annihilation, which is why Nigel Farage’s statement yesterday was very welcome.
November 23, 2021
Sack Prity and the Border Force; give the job to the Navy.
November 23, 2021
Give the job toCaptain Mainwaring and Corporal Jones. No, wait, theyâre already doing it.
November 23, 2021
Admiral Lord West explained why the boats could not be pushed back. He explained it to Mr Farage who backed down for a few weeks but without apologising. Now Farage has started up again, making out it is all a doddle, just a matter of political will. He never says now what he would do, before any legislation has gone through, just prompts people to demand the head of the Home Secretary.
November 23, 2021
An easy question to dodge and easily dodged by someone who like ‘Boris’ is part of the elite and under willing control of government and other bodies who wish to destroy our will.
Won’t be long before my forecast of 50,000 illegals is met and Home Office fake numbers exposed.
Why do so many Tories emphase them as victims of smugglers as if they were foreced into boats? They want to get here and why should we care that they pay for it? Tell us how they are criminally controlled when they get here while living in 4 star hotels at our expense?
Also it is not dangerous to travel- if it were there would be many deaths but there aren’t.
Tory government and globalist deceit. National sovereignty and English identity are still being willfully destroyed.
November 23, 2021
The issue regarding the massive illegal immigration of 1000+/day of young men of fighting age is not simply one of the economic cost of hotel accommodation, healthcare and pocket money and/or the increasing the numbers in our already densely populated country.
It is, as demonstrated by recent terrorist events, that just because these illegal immigrants are coming to the UK âfor a better lifeâ (whilst leaving their mothers, sisters and daughters behind), and safety from tribal and religious/cultural intolerances back home does NOT mean they, or their offspring, wish to integrate into our society and are happy to accept our laws and culture.
Continued immigration risks the UK (and the EU) of becoming a replica of the ME and Africa.
November 23, 2021
I appreciate it is easy to say âweâre full up, we donât want any more people hereâ. I live near the coast and walk my dog along the beach several times a week. What would I do if I encountered a boat full of people arriving on the beach – cold, hungry and terrified with only the shirts on their backs? Would I look for a boat hook and push them away saying âgo back where you came from?â Well, I hope I still have a shred of human decency and would help them ashore and do what I could for them.
I realise such an emotional response is not an answer to a difficult problem – but, I think many on here would like to see the navy patrol and blockade our waters. But would you push them back into the sea?
November 23, 2021
This is tiresome.
Itâs not what you say itâs what you achieve, currently this is an exercise in incompetence & soundbites.
This is costing the UK. a fortune & itâs no good requesting solutions – that is a politicians job & why they should be FULL TIME & fully engaged.
November 23, 2021
Daily update of action & progress would be helpful
November 23, 2021
Hardly an adequate answer to a reasonable question.
November 23, 2021
So ministers are now to make it compulsory, previously voluntary, for councils to accept child asylum seekers under the National Transfer Scheme & if media correct, to make payments to councils of ÂŁ143 per child per night. We see very few children arriving by illegal channel crossing boats.
As part of the bilateral UK / Greece agreement signed 22 April 2020, the Joint Action Plan by the UK & Greece on Migration, we were bringing in children from Greek camps, some to reunite with families already here in the UK where in May 2020 it was reported there were around 1500 unaccompanied minors in Greek camps and a further 3500 stranded on the mainland. One assumes this was still operating until Jan 2021 up to the point of when the UK was still bound under the Dublin Agreement. So maybe by now this has changed but there is recently talk of dialogue, ideas and alliances with Greece who seem to not be following the EUâs rulings to the letter, like some others, which seems to be a good thing. Itâs stated that Greek authorities believe 90% of illegal migrants in the EU enter through Greece. France: in 2020 despite around 1200 British requests to return illegals to France just 25 were returned ( recent statistic from facts4eu )
At home what I find sickening is those voices currently in the media, activists and so called charities telling us that migrants & asylum seekers are confronted with hostility and placed in poor quality accommodation. I suggest they depart from their own bubbles and look to getting out more & take a good look at some of the very hotels and other accommodation units the UK is providing for these people which they appear to complain about. Not to mention all else which is on offer; hotels & support services, coach transport, no doubt translators, food, mobile phones, laptops in some cases, cash, medical, dental and educational. I think the British tax payers are going well above & beyond. And they know it.
November 23, 2021
It is often said that the British always have welcomed refugees – note the kinder transport children.
Not a lot of people know that they were accepted on the provision that they would be sent on to Palestine but the start of the war prevented that. Also very few wanted to accept those children in their homes – a sad history.
November 24, 2021
Distressing news today Weds 24th, just what we feared. A boat has sunk it seems with a number of people tipped into the sea off Calais. French sources suggest at least 5 dead, and a number of others retrieved but unconscious from the water.
November 25, 2021
Blaming the people smugglers is just pathetic and won’t help the government. Why isn’t the government collecting the illegal immigrants as they arrive in their dinghies and putting them on a plane back to Somalia within three hours? If it did that, the dinghy crossings would cease within a couple of days and no one would drown crossing the channel.
November 25, 2021
Redwood in that hot air factory once known as Parliament: “bla bla bla”
Suddenly, politicians notice migrants. These are not ‘channel crossings in small boats’ these are unlawful attempts to enter the United Kindgom.
Hitherto completely ignored by the British government.
These vessels should be intercepted by the RN and escorted back to French waters where they originated.
Politicians by turning a blind eye to these people, are tacitly condoning, assisting and accomodating so called ‘people trafficing’.
The government should find out how many of these so called ‘people traffikers’ are NGO funded operations, shut off the funding immediately. And arrest all staff members of the identified NGO.
November 25, 2021
The sad 31 deaths happened on the French watch, been on cards for years, MSM should turn, that people are so desperate to leave the brutal regime of France and the risks they will take, full 15 mins top of every news for next month…
Summon ambassador, complain to eu, complain to court of human rights, full 10/10
Panarama and dispatches special on plight of migrants under Macron’s brutal regime…
November 25, 2021
C4 news hour of woke reporter asking them how badly they been treated and want to go back to syria/iraq/iran/somaila than stay in france and willing to risk lives making dangerous crossing to uk where we treat people with dignity despite it not being our problem
Secret videos of them getting beaten by french police, spanish police, other eu police