My Intervention on the Net Zero by 2050 Ministerial Statement

John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con):
The Secretary of State is right that, in order for this to work, green products need to be affordable and attractive. What study has her Department made of the attractions of synthetic and sustainable fuels as another option, compared with batteries? They may be easier for many of these users.

Claire Coutinho, Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero:
I thank my right hon. Friend for that question—we have spoken about this issue before. We will be consulting on synthetic fuels, in particular for aviation, and we are looking at alternative fuels more widely, for example for rural homes. I would be happy to keep up the conversation with him about our progress.


  1. Mark B
    October 18, 2023

    Good morning.

    Let us hope this gets posted after yesterday submission was deleted.

    We will be consulting on synthetic fuels . . .


    . . . we are looking at alternative fuels . . .

    So let’s ban something and ‘then’ look for a replacement rather, let us have a replacement ready then slowly phase the old product out.

    I truly dispare.

    1. Ian+wragg
      October 18, 2023

      In other words, I don’t have a clue

    2. agricola
      October 18, 2023

      Absolutely Mark, synthetic fuels are only one aspect of less polluting means of propulsion. This government of lawyers shows no serious interest in what the japanese, Toyota and germans, Porsche are doing in the developement of engines using hydrogen. For the UK it would avoid a vast increase in electricity production and distribution while avoiding all the operating problems of EVs. I too dispare of the UK government ever doing anything useful.

      1. Buttes
        October 19, 2023

        And using Hydrogen as a fuel would create harmless water vapour, which is, erm one of the most significant influencers in Climate balance effects. Not to mention the massive requirements in energy to create the gas in a pure form and the costs of containing it safely. One wonder why the planets natural response is to encapsulate this hazardous gas in water!

    3. formula57
      October 18, 2023

      @ Mark B – indeed, the exact opposite of the Chinese approach (they of the considerable carbon emissions) as enunciated by President Xi that replacing the old ways would await always creation of new ways deemed good and suitable substitutes.

    4. glen cullen
      October 18, 2023

      Agree – You only need to go down the synthetic fuels route if you believe the UN IPCC reports and that the world is boiling

  2. Lynn Atkinson
    October 18, 2023

    There will be no conversation therefore because there certainly will be no progress.
    Just another catastrophic and massively expensive failure for the Corporatists – politicians who told the corporations to ditch diesel and petrol car manufacture (the benefit to them being the forced replacement of all vehicles) and the corporations who unquestioningly and greedily believed them!
    Let’s hope we see them tearing each others throats out in the not to distant future, as our own oil and gas pumps nod away.

    1. miami.mode
      October 18, 2023

      Yes all very premature Lynn.

      MotoGP motorcycle racing says
      By 2024, fuel in all MotoGP™ classes will be of minimum 40% non-fossil origin
      By 2027, fuel in all MotoGP™ classes will be of 100% non-fossil origin

      And Formula 1 racing cars indicate
      F1’s Chief Technical Officer Pat Symonds is heading up the team focused on creating this revolutionary fuel (by 2030, the sport is pioneering a ‘drop-in’ 100% sustainable fuel that can not only be used in F1 cars from 2026 but crucially can be utilised by most road cars across the world) and has spent months deep in research to create the best quality product for 2026.

      The zealots, however, will say we are the equivalent of the boiling frog and do not have a minute to waste.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        October 18, 2023

        😂🤣so Pat Symonds is going to save the day! Great, and good luck.
        Reminds me of Doug Henderson who also also changed the course of U.K. history.
        So why are they messing about with EVs then, if the miracle non-fossel fuel is within grasp?

        1. Mickey Taking
          October 19, 2023

          Don’t be so scathing – Pat Symonds is indeed a very clever, resourceful, motivating man with significant ability to crystal ball gaze. You should prepare to eat your words written on tough old cardboard when it happens.

    2. Sakara Gold
      October 18, 2023

      @Lynn Atkinson
      The problem with pro-fossil fuel climate crisis deniers is that they are unable to understand the physics and the science. And if they lose the debate, it must be because the environmentalists are clever – and so must be lying

      There is a direct, causal relationship between rising global temperatures and CO2 levels since the industrial revolution. And particularly with CH4 (that’s methane for the uneducated) which leaks out from oil wells and especially fracking facilities

      I suggest that you study the NASA data under the following link, which will educate you

      And lastly, big oil knew 50 years ago of this relationship, because their own scientists had reported on it. It’s the fossil fuel industry that has been lying to the world about it for decades. BBC2 produced a seminal documentary on it which is still available on iPlayer

      Only useful idiots who just repeat fossil fuel lobby lies and disinformation ifrom the right wing press and who rely on dodgy scientists funded by big oil can ignore the overwhelming global scientific evidence that the world is rapidly heating up.

      1. jerry
        October 18, 2023

        @SG; The only deigners are those who deign CO2 is a naturally occurring and necessary element to all life, that it has existed on planet earth in varying quantities for billions of years, and that climate has changes for even longer.

        When descent, how ever well informed, is cast aside, alternate opinions ignored, people ostracized, it is no longer a science, or even politics, it has become a religion – or worse – but those who have invested in a scam are always the last to admit to having been had. If I may Sir John;

        If I may Sir John; From the Radio Times archive listings.
        Horizon, Mon 26th Jun 1989, 20:10 on BBC Two England
        Programme synopsis:

        “In the future there are likely to be dramatic changes in the world’s climate. Whole populations may have to move as their land becomes uninhabitable. This seems hard to believe, but it has happened before.
        Three thousand years ago, the population of the Scottish Highlands abandoned their land because the climate changed. The discovery of why this happened, and how, suggests that the earth’s atmosphere may be far more unstable than is realised. The evidence comes from Nordic sagas, Irish oak trees, the poetry of Byron and the history of volcanic eruptions. Combined with satellite observations and computer models of the world’s climate, they show that a time of darkness across the globe is a real possibility. “

        From a time when the BBC made real investigative science programmes, I bet the BBC no longer has a copy of that programme in their archives!

    3. Timaction
      October 18, 2023

      After this election people will start to feel the serious consequences and costs of net zero. The legacies are signing their own death warrant, goodbye legacies, hello REFORM.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        October 18, 2023

        Oh, sooner than that.

    4. glen cullen
      October 18, 2023

      Reminds me of the consultancy progress of HS2 ….more madness, this government/party aren’t learning from their mistakes

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        October 18, 2023

        Much of the madness across the board makes me wonder whether they are not depending on AI for more than just Intelligence. I mean across the west from Sullivan and Blinken to our ex-Defence Minister whatever-he-was-called; they are as far off target as the Covid computer predictions produced by Imperial were. Not in the same ball-park.
        They can’t seem to align reality with what the Computer-Which-Knows-Best is telling them – thus they cling to the ‘AI predictions’ hoping that reality is just lagging. I mean they stake everything, the whole country, on those ‘predictions’.
        Reminds me of a great film called Mooseport. Ex-President of the USA challenges someone to a game of golf. He is used to the CIA who line the fairway, chucking his wayward balls back in towards the green. So he hits out of bounds and says ‘wait wait – it’ll come bouncing back in a minute….’
        Cheating can become endemic and mess up judgement big-time. We see many of our political class simply don’t know which way is up.

  3. Clough
    October 18, 2023

    So in fact the government and its bureaucrats has not yet sought to compare the cost of the policy they’re pursuing with that of alternatives. If I tried to run a company like that i’d soon be out of business.

  4. Donna
    October 18, 2023

    So basically, our wonderful Government and marvellous “Opposition” decided to ban gas and oil in the very near future, with no viable alternative.

    I wonder when they’re going to admit that electric vehicles aren’t viable either? When it’s recognised that every multi-storey car-park in the country will have to be rebuilt? When a RoRo ferry, or the channel tunnel has an EV fire? When there’s a multiple pile-up on a motorway involving several EVs which go up in flames?

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      October 18, 2023

      It will ‘be the drivers fault’ if they were self-drive cars everything would have been just fine…

      1. glen cullen
        October 18, 2023

        Apart from politicians who want chauffeur driving car ….who really wants a self driving car ? who’s asking for them ? the demand isn’t consumer led ?

  5. Bingle
    October 18, 2023

    The answer? We shall consult… equals politic speak for I have no idea.

    A trip to Brazil may reduce the ‘consult’ time.

  6. Mary M.
    October 18, 2023

    Two days ago, Lord Lawson’s memorial service took place at St. Margaret’s Church, Westminster. According to an article in the Daily Telegraph dated 17 October 2023, Lord Lawson had ‘confidence in the resilience of the climate’.

    For those hell-bent on Net Zero by 2050, here is some uplifting news reported in ‘ScienceDaily’ on April 7 2023, four days after this independent thinker’s death:

    ‘Scientists discover a way Earth’s atmosphere cleans itself.’

  7. agricola
    October 18, 2023

    If the inventiveness of the British created vast quantities of hydrogen or produced viable fusion energy, there is one thing I can guarantee, any UK government of technical incompetents would sell it off at the first opportunity to any foreign company with better brain cells. Think radar, the computer, the www, the jet engine and many other firsts. All so our idiots could indulge in such as HS2 ,even if it is fifty years too late.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      October 18, 2023

      NOT better brain cells, more MONEY! We can’t afford to keep the Commonwealth and medicate the world and host millions of criminals in the best hotels, AND keep our industries and have children.

  8. Mickey Taking
    October 18, 2023

    I note ‘consulting’ and ‘looking at’. I would like to assure Ms Coutino that any entrepreneur or corporation that thought there was money to be made was already doing exactly that.
    She doesn’t mention ‘encouraging’ could I suggest tax breaks to reduce the pump price for any consumers?

  9. jerry
    October 18, 2023

    Distributing reports in the morning press about the govts Net-zero advisor wanting the entire gas network shut down by 2050, expecting retrofit heat-pumps to be the norm, otherwise electric heating. But still no one questions the lie about CO2…

  10. Ian B
    October 18, 2023

    Consulting? The new phrase for doing nothing. So on your way and stop asking questions

    1. glen cullen
      October 18, 2023

      Stop on ….and they’re using the results (problematic) of those consultancies to pursue their objectives with so called justification ….my councils consults via a facebook questionaire with (normally) less than 10-20 respondants ….that isn’t a democractic consultancy

    2. Mickey Taking
      October 18, 2023

      The ancient definition of a Consultant? A person when asked what is the time, reaches for the questioners’ wrist, looks at the watch and announces what it says.

  11. Ian B
    October 18, 2023

    Consulting? We will ask the vested interest lobbyist on what would be acceptable to them. As for the electorate the people that got me this lofty position and pay my wages – get back in your box

    1. jerry
      October 18, 2023

      @Ian B; Indeed, and the vested interest lobbyist get forewarning of any Consultation, thus their highly detailed reports are ready to be submitted on day one, the rest of us get 10 – 20 days to organize, compile and submit…

  12. Bloke
    October 18, 2023

    The question asked what has been done and the reply was ‘we are looking’.
    Why do these people wander for years in the wrong direction before accepting they should have assessed and enacted better options at the outset?

  13. glen cullen
    October 18, 2023

    So the tory plan continues …..EV cars rule and petrol is out ….please get your party to be honest about that policy

  14. agricola
    October 18, 2023

    Whether you intervene or send in one of your letters, can you ask the numpties in the department of energy if they have noticed that;
    There is an escalating war in the Middle East likely to affect oil shipments via the Straits of Hormuz.
    The opec cartel and Russia are restricting oil supplies to boost prices and do whatever damage they can to the West.
    In the light of what the media has been telling them, when do they intend fully utilising UK energy to shield UK citizens and businesses against this obvious economic warfare. A simple yes or no will surfice.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      October 18, 2023

      Russia is storing fuel for its massive impending invasion of Ukraine. So fuel is even in short supply in Russia itself atm.
      Didn’t we tell them to sod off with their commodities anyway?
      Anyone who depends on supplies from the Middle East at all is nuts.

  15. Ian B
    October 18, 2023

    From the MsM
    ‘North Sea decline leaves Britain ‘subservient to foreign regimes’, says Energy Secretary
    Claire Coutinho argues production will fall faster than demand without new drilling
    “The real-world consequence of this would be that this country would be forced to import up to 80pc of our oil and gas by 2030.
    “The UK will not only be subservient to foreign regimes, but we risk decimating the same people and communities that we need to come with us on this green transition journey.”’

    Most sane people have been reporting that here and elsewhere for years. The refusal of the Conservative Government in the last 14 years (that is at least how long the problem has been known about) to keep the UK secure shouts volumes on their capabilities. This Conservative Government in all that time has neglected to answer the question, good at talk and reviews complacent at action and management.
    All the while they are ensuring the UK economy will be decimated by this Conservative Governments attitude, no money, no wealth equals no way to respond

    1. Ian B
      October 18, 2023

      She has said North Sea waters still hold enough oil and gas to support the UK for up to three decades. – that is against the Boris Johnson Cabinet (lets not forget they are still all there, the thinking hasn’t been removed) wishes and attitude of import only to save the world

  16. glen cullen
    October 18, 2023

    Due to your policy of net-zero
    I’ve just had to spend two hours on the phone to british gas, as I got an email from them saying my bill was overdue
    I said ‘what bill and that I haven’t received a bill yet’, they told me they’ve gone paper-less, unless I directly requested a posted bill ….the future is bleak, all in the name of net-zero

    1. Diane
      October 19, 2023

      GC: I have had recent billing & account change issues ( nothing to do with anything I had requested, prompted or changed ) with electricity supplier going on since July & spoken with five individuals & had long phone conversations. I think this is finally sorted out as of yesterday. Also, since July / Aug when issues arose I am being plagued every few days with emails re an electricity smart meter.
      I am just about to have to also now contact my gas supplier with unexplained issues to do with billing / account, again, nothing to do with any actions I have taken. Up to now I have happily & efficiently dealt with these suppliers for many years so not sure what is going on.

      1. glen cullen
        October 19, 2023

        We didn’t have these issues pre-netzero nor this tory government

  17. James Freeman
    October 18, 2023

    You are right. If we spend money on green technology needing subsidies, they will only reduce CO2 emissions from the UK. It will have a negligible impact as we only contribute 1% of world emissions. Unfortunately, only a few other countries can afford the subsidies as well.

    But if we produce affordable and attractive green products, they can be taken up worldwide with up to 100 times the impact.

  18. Andrea Lee
    October 19, 2023

    yes please, I’d like to be kept up to date too.

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