Net zero will stop re armament

I have longed argued against many UK net zero policies on two main grounds. In their own terms they are mad, as they increase world CO 2 forcing us to import and getting us to heat Ā homes and drive cars using electricity generated from gas. I have shown how you cannot make people buy battery cars and heat pumps and change their diets until the green companies can make products that perform better and are more affordable.

Let me add a third convincing argument. The UK cannot re arm and defend itself if it makes no steel, slashes its petrochemical industry , closes much of Ā its vehicle industry and imports most of its electronics. Modern wars consume huge quantities of ammunition, weapons, boats, planes and tanks. If you want to win such a war you need to build and protect factories to make big quantities of these necessities.

Some of you argue with the science, but these arguments should be easier to win with those who do see climate change as a threat. The UK is paying far too high a price to cut its 1% contribution to world CO 2 when the big producers, China, the USA, India and Russia keep increasing their output.The import model leaves Ā us unable to defend ourselves and adds to world CO 2.

109 Comments

  1. Geoffrey Berg
    March 5, 2025

    Even if it ever made any sense going for net zero, now that America under Trump has lost interest in chasing that target it now makes no sense at all, exacerbated by many countries wanting to be paid by Western countries for the privilege of claiming to chase that target. If there really is going to be climate change (which for many years won’t be beyond what people or hominids have lived with in the past)we will have to either adapt to it with our advanced technology or else eventually develop new technology to alleviate it,

    1. Peter Wood
      March 5, 2025

      If it’s a ‘mad policy’, what does that say about our governments and policy makers? Why are we following such policies in the first place without a thorough review and questioning?
      Our NZ policy, is the most expensive response to any challenge our nation has undertaken other than war, it is truly diabolical and could cost us this nations independence.

      1. Lifelogic
        March 5, 2025

        Indeed vast cost and no benefit even if we did mitigate CO2 increases slightly, a bit more CO2 is a net good.

        The other problem with defence provision is the appalling inefficiency of our defence procurement and recruitment systems – send me no more “useless white male pilots” was it.

      2. glen cullen
        March 5, 2025

        ‘On average, meeting the Balanced Pathway will require investment of around Ā£26 billion per year’ ‘Ā£110 billion total’
        Section 4.2 Costs; https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/the-seventh-carbon-budget/
        Note – The CCC use a new buzz word replacing ‘net-zero’ with ….”Balanced-Pathway”

    2. Lifelogic
      March 5, 2025

      It never made any sense at all a bit more CO2 is a good thing on balance.

      Net zero will stop re armament indeed it will kill a sensible defence policy, destroy growth, export manufacturing, steel, chemical industries, fertiliser industries, freeze people in their homes, export jobsā€¦

      The question is:- Are Miliband types so mad & moronic that they are true believers in this mad agenda or are they on the make with some vested interests or does he actually intend & want to destroy the UK, its energy systems and its economy and to freeze grannies? It has to be one of these surely?

      1. Lifelogic
        March 5, 2025

        Energy costs in the UK are 3-5 times those of the US so just how are UK industries expected to compete. Also Starmer goes on and on about AI growth in the UK – yet another industry that needs cheap, reliably, on demand electricity.

        1. Lifelogic
          March 5, 2025

          Kevin Hollinrake (shadow housing) confirmed once again that Kemiā€™s fake Tories are still fully behind Milibandā€™s mad Net Zero agenda ā€œjust with a smoother glide pathā€ as he put it.

          Kevin actually studies Physics so should know better – albeit only at Sheffield City Poly and he did not bother to finish the degree.

          If I were ever to vote Tory again they would have to promise to ditch net zero, half taxes and the size of the state, ditch the ECHR and promise quality high skilled immigration only. But even if Kemi did make these promises how would I and others ever trust the Tories again? But they are not even making sensible promises yet! Kemi is virtually invisible.

          1. Geoffrey Berg
            March 5, 2025

            Tell me which party is promising ALL those things?

            Reply None. We will find out what the parties are actually promising when they publish election Manifestos. Today we need to concentrate on what the government is doing as Opposition parties cannot make a promise that will get implemented without the governments action.

      2. Lifelogic
        March 5, 2025

        See the David Starkey video: ā€œKeir Starmer will break Britainā€

  2. Oldtimer92
    March 5, 2025

    Agreed 100%. With NZ in place we will struggle to make pea shooters, let alone actual weapons or ammunition.

    1. formula57
      March 5, 2025

      True enough – but then we also make ourselves not worth invading. Perhaps that is the plan!

    2. Kayla Tomlinson
      March 5, 2025

      Absolutely agree!

    3. Mitchel
      March 5, 2025

      You are going to need some mighty big pea shooters-and lots of them.

      Because Kaja Kallas(addressing that RAND Corp offshoot,the Hudson Institute-neocon heaven!) has some mighty big ambitions:

      “If Europe cannot defeat Russia,how can we defeat China?”

      So,no stopping at the Urals,nor Vladivostok….just straight on down to Haikou-possibly stopping for a breather at Wuhan.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        March 7, 2025

        Oh Kaja Kallis does not need a breather. She is ā€˜brave and stunningā€™! šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£
        She says we can beat Russia ā€¦. So thatā€™s OK, Micron seems to have believed her.
        Meantime Trump, Xi and Putin happy to talk about nuclear disarmament. Thank God!

  3. dixie
    March 5, 2025

    The core issue is the attitude in the governing classes that has made net zero pre-eminent and a core part of that has been the cross party drive to de-industrialise our country.
    You cannot use rational argument to sway such people, it is their religion, you can only replace them – which is what Trump has done based on his first term experience.
    In that replacement we need something that can hold these people properly to account because there are no significant cost or consequences when they take actions which greatly damage us and others. It is all a game to them and they walk away scot free every time so they keep on playing because there are no real boundaries.

    1. glen cullen
      March 5, 2025

      Net-zero wasn’t even listed on the famous Miliband stone plinth ….just another fad, but a dangerous and costly fad

  4. Wanderer
    March 5, 2025

    Agreed. Apart from one or two commentators here, I’m sure we all think net zero is lunacy for various reasons, and duplicitous too.

    To restart manufacturing we’ll also need a workforce trained and capable of doing practical, physical work. For that we need to change our education system, and improve the socual status and pay of such careers so that people aspire to do such work.

    1. Lifelogic
      March 5, 2025

      Indeed about 75% of degrees in the UK are worthless and usually in fairly worthless subjects certainly not worth the three years loss of earning and the circa 60k of fees and accomodation costs plus the interest on the loans.

      Last time I look the media A levels intake was about D & an E if you cannot grasp you A levels should you not resit, train on a job or do something else you are more suited to.

      1. Lifelogic
        March 5, 2025

        median!

  5. Ian wragg
    March 5, 2025

    It’s not really about climate change as we all know
    It’d a UN/WEF mandated target to de industrialise the western world in favour of the BRICs.
    It’s the precursor to One World Government except it doesn’t include China India etc
    It’s the same with immigration designed to weaken us and ultimately bankrupt us.
    Trump has lifted the lid on the whole sordid process and the leftwaffe are in meltdown.
    They won’t give up easily as like Milibrain it’s a religion which brooks no opposition

    1. Donna
      March 5, 2025

      Correct. But the EU doesn’t have a death-wish and is waking up to the fact that without Trump’s USA it is defenceless, so we can expect a handbrake U-turn before long.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        March 7, 2025

        The EU canā€™t manufacture a hand break. No power, no metal.
        Plenty of money might go to the Zelensky washing machine though.

  6. MPC
    March 5, 2025

    But didnā€™t you know that Net Zero will bring Green Growth to the armed forces?

    1. Ed M
      March 5, 2025

      Quantum engineering / tech could potentially revolutionise climate change and armaments (and the economy as well as medicine and health) – so quantum engineering / tech could resolve the concerns of both the left and right! We need to focus more on the science and stay calm!

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        March 5, 2025

        If ā€˜the scienceā€™ canā€™t work out that there are two sexes then Iā€™m not hugely confident in its ability to deal with quantum anything.

        1. Lifelogic
          March 6, 2025

          Or indeed working out that giving young people and people who had had Covid already an experimental “vaccine” they clearly never needed what was not very clever. Or that Covid was clearly from a lab after gain of function!

          Mind you the legal profession found Lucy Letby guilty of 15 murders or attempted murders and deny her any appeals. This when there is clearly no real evidence any murders at all ever took place!

      2. Know-Dice
        March 5, 2025

        Quantum electronics are very susceptable to Emp so not so good for military electronics šŸ¤”

      3. MBJ
        March 5, 2025

        Yes by 2050 though.

    2. Lifelogic
      March 5, 2025

      Green growth in China perhaps as you need cheap fossil fuel on demand energy to be competitive in EVs, batteries, solar cells, wind farmsā€¦

      For most renewables you need large subsidies and market rigging to make them make even ā€œsuperficialā€ economic sense. The extra taxes to fund these subsidies, this market rigging, together with the expensive energy they produce must destroy or export at least 10 jobs for each green job they create.

      Not that the ā€œgreen jobsā€ are actually green or environmental in any real sense quite the reverse.

      1. Mike Wilson
        March 5, 2025

        I am under the impression that electricity is priced such that, at any point in time, the highest cost of production, regardless of the source (gas, nuclear, biomass, solar, wind etc.), is charged for for all sources. And that gas is usually the highest cost and, therefore, wind and solar (which are usually lower cost) are charged to consumers at the same (higher) price of gas.

        Reply Yes that is what the government want you to believe .A lot of renewables attract high pre arranged prices. They get payments to switch off when they generate more than grid capacity. Gas is often cheaper. Some Gas is only used when there is little renewable so it needs to recoup investment from less output given renewables priority.

  7. Bryan Harris
    March 5, 2025

    Agreed, yes – at the rate we are being industrialised we will be incapable of producing armaments – but is our government mad enough to get that involved with Ukraine, with boots on the battlefield?
    If so They will buy from the EU.

    Judging by what damage the labour party have done in less than a year, then the answer is probably YES – they have no restrictions when it comes to waste, bad decisions and ignorance of matters in our country.

    With the MSM now expert at indoctrinating the masses to support HMG there will be little effective opposition to getting heavily involved in a pointless war – how many deaths of British service people will they be responsible for at the end of the day.
    The insanity of this is beyond reproach when a settlement should have been so easily available.. UK/EU leaders have a lot to answer for.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      March 5, 2025

      Bryan the EU is deindustrialised too. Germany is a shadow of itā€™s former self. They have nothing but manufacturing (we have services) so ā€˜greenā€™ existential for them.

    2. Mitchel
      March 5, 2025

      (Former Reichsmarschall) Hermann Goring at the Nuremberg trials:

      “Why,of course,the ‘people’ don’t want war.Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.Naturally,the common people don’t want war,neither in Russia,nor England,nor for that matter Germany.That is understood.But,after all,it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist regime.

      Voice or no voice,the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.That is easy.All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.It works the same way in any country.”

      1. Bryan Harris
        March 6, 2025

        @Mitchel

        So true it seems, with the enhanced brainwashing capability of HMG

  8. Berkshire Alan
    March 5, 2025

    Had a very interesting visit around the BMW Mini Plant in Cowley last week.
    They used to purchase all of their steel from South Wales, now it all comes from abroad.
    The new proposed electric mini car planned to be made at Cowley, is now pending and on hold, as it may go to China.
    Cowley now employ’s only about 10% of the workers it used to decades ago, as over 1,200 robots have taken their place.

    1. Lifelogic
      March 5, 2025

      Ford Says It Will Lose Billions on Electric Cars in 2025
      It lost $5.1 billion in 2024 and estimates it’ll lose even more this year.

      Best just to keep your old liquid fuel cars than waste money on expensive, rapidly depreciating and inconvenient new EVs cars. More environmental too.

      1. Original Richard
        March 5, 2025

        LL :

        The initial purpose of the replacement of ices with evs is to destroy the motor industry and then, since evs are expensive, impractical and with insufficient national and local grid capacity to run them, to transition the population to accepting life without personal transport. Who needs them in 15 minute cities when ā€œactive travelā€ is so much better for our health?

    2. Lynn Atkinson
      March 5, 2025

      Robots are made of metal and use energy to move. The robots are on borrowed time.

  9. dixie
    March 5, 2025

    Steel has it’s place but aircraft are mostly Aluminium and/or composites, as are drones.
    I would contend electronics is more important as that enables the identification of threats and makes your munitions far more effective and efficient.
    A case in point, pre-1944 anti-aircaft fire was highly ineffective taking thousands of shells per aircraft kill during the day and tens of thousands of shells at night. From 1944 we achieved a 90% kill rate of V1’s at 10 rounds per kill and Japanese aircraft were removed as a threat in the Pacific. This was achieved using a proximity fuse based essentially on a radar module in each shell.
    The use of drones in more recent conflicts highlights the force multiplier effect of electronics.
    First you have to decide what threats you have to deal with, eg do we need tanks and aircraft carriers to defend our islands, though remote territories are obviously an issue.

    1. Ed M
      March 5, 2025

      Well said
      And the vital components of the hardware that are going to detect and destroy hypersonic missiles and drones of one type or another are electronic (even quantum technology if scientists get there soon). The hardware is relatively easy. It’s the electronics and software that’s a lot harder.

    2. Dave Andrews
      March 5, 2025

      The conflict in Ukraine is causing a re-think in army tactics. An expensive tank (not to mention valuable crew) that can be destroyed by an NLAW missile is now a liability.
      You will lose the war of attrition trying to defend a very expensive aircraft carrier using expensive missiles against a relatively cheap drone swarm.

      1. ChrisS
        March 6, 2025

        On the contrary, in Ukraine, tanks are proving invaluable, once they have been fitted with reactive armour and cages to stop drone attacks. The new thinking is that for a European war, tanks are again going to be essential.
        The Ukrainians are particularly pleased with the small number of Challenger 2 Tanks we have provided, they are proving devastating when up against Russian armour.
        It’s a pity we have run down our tank numbers so that when we get the upgraded Challenger 3s, we will only have 150 of them in total.
        We probably need at least four times that number if there is a European war with Russia.
        But then we also need four times the number of Frigates and Destroyers we currently have in service.
        Then there is the abysmal number of soldiers and aircraft we currently have…………………

    3. Lynn Atkinson
      March 5, 2025

      The latest Russian drones are guided by fibre optic cables because the electronics are so easily ā€˜jammedā€™. You should watch some film of this war.

      1. Know-Dice
        March 5, 2025

        Lynn, A quick Google shows that these drones can have a range of typically 12 miles or more. The reel of fibre is carried by the drone, surely at range the fibre will be at ground level. So a simple pair of scissors could stop it šŸ˜”

        1. Lynn Atkinson
          March 7, 2025

          You stand under a drone with a pair of scissors. The drone remains controlled and is not targeted at launch. It will target the scissors with exact precision.

      2. dixie
        March 6, 2025

        You miss the point completely.
        Electronics, materials, computing, radio and associated R&D are critical components of modern products military products and battlefield systems. It is not enough to manufacture these systems you have to be able to redesign them when counter measures evolve, which they always do. We used to be self-sufficient in all these skills and technologies, now we are probably totally reliant on imports – IE totally vulnerable.
        BTW optical fibres have been used for drones for a long time and the first use as communication cables was invented in the STL labs in Harlow.

        1. Lynn Atkinson
          March 7, 2025

          So as the more advanced systems fail, in the heat of war Russia is reverting to more reliable more basic systems.
          Whatā€™s your point?

          1. dixie
            March 7, 2025

            That it is a mistake to focus solely on steel production, the issue is we need to rebuild our scientific, technical and engineering capabilities across the board. So, for example you don’t waste time, resources and money on manufacturing 10’s of thousands of 4″ shells when you only need ten of them plus some smart technology.

    4. Original Richard
      March 5, 2025

      dixie :

      We will not be able to protect our hundreds of thousands of square miles of wind turbine estates and their interconnecting cables out in the North Sea from air and underwater drones. The low energy density of renewables makes them very insecure. But of course thatā€™s one of the reasons they have been selected to be our main source of energy even though nuclear, another low CO2 emitting source of power, is additionally both cheaper and more reliable.

      1. dixie
        March 6, 2025

        They are less defensible than the bulk oil and LPG tankers we rely on.
        But if you are concerned about attack above sabotage/harassment level then large nuclear installations become a target.
        What then – start mining coal again – oops no coal fired power stations! And even if they were guess who would be at the back of the queue for power along with fuels, food and other supplies.
        From an individual perspective when some power is superior to no power at all, a naturally, widely distributed and independent network of renewables is the superior option as there is no dependency on a logistical tail or government for power or communications.

    5. Mitchel
      March 5, 2025

      Have you seen the clip(in the Telegraph)this morning of Iran’s new fighter-bomber drone taking off from their newly launched specialist drone carrier?

  10. Ed M
    March 5, 2025

    1) HOW TO RELIEVE GREENIES’ CONCERNS WITHOUT HARMING OUR ECONOMY AND SO REDUCING THEIR POWER / EFFECTIVENESS / AGENCY
    I agree with anti-Net-Zeros a lot but not to ‘wind’ up the Greenies (causes more problems than solves). We need to A) stay calm and support Green issues that do not affect our economy and B) that supports scientists looking for ways to solve climate change (with tonne of money to be made from this!).

    2) NEED FOR INVESTMENT IN GAS STORAGE
    Also, we need to support pro anti-Net-Zerists by getting investments in gas storage. It’s crazy the UK’s gas storage facilities are so limited. This ultimately impacts our industry and economy overall.

    3) TONNE OF MONEY TO BE MADE FROM GREEN AND RELATED TECH!
    Lastly, there is a tonne of money to be made from Green and related tech. Look at Elon Musk and his Tesla and why he’s invested so much of his time in this. Not forgetting how development of one type of tech feeds into the tech industry in general and how this valuable is to our economy

    1. Donna
      March 5, 2025

      Personally, I prefer not to pander to hysterical, brainwashed, Eco Nutters. And certainly not if it means me using my own money to pacify them.

    2. Lifelogic
      March 5, 2025

      Tesla does not make much money its PE is about x 175 – on that basis my businesses would be worth about Ā£175 million but in reality they are probably worth less than Ā£10m. Many might say Tesla is extremely over valued!

      Toyota PE is only about 7.5. which looks rather a better investment to me.

      1. Ed M
        March 5, 2025

        Agreed to a degree. But the value is in where this tech might lead and related tech. You’re taking things too face value here. Musk isn’t a dunce at least in tech world. The opposite. And his success with investors isn’t down to him being a good communicator. He’s rubbish at social media to the tune of billions regarding his purchase and handling of Twitter!

        1. glen cullen
          March 5, 2025

          but he’s good at getting huge subsidy out of governments, and for his products/customers

          1. Lynn Atkinson
            March 7, 2025

            Not really. He gets paid for work done. In fact he claims he gets contracts because he can complete them for less. Heā€™s going to fetch two Americans abandoned in space by the Biden Administration next week.

    3. Lifelogic
      March 5, 2025

      Alas almost all green issue damage the economy hugely.

    4. Lifelogic
      March 5, 2025

      As to gas storage we do not need so much if we are producing gas from drilling and fracking locally. It Mad Miliband has insanely shut this down to rely on imported Liquified gas then yes more storage is needed.

      1. Ed M
        March 5, 2025

        I agree with you about drilling and fracking. But why tie your hands regarding increasing gas storage? Doesn’t make sense to me. Increase both. Let’s do everything within reason to get energy prices down!

        1. glen cullen
          March 5, 2025

          Prices were low before the net-zero political scam

      2. glen cullen
        March 5, 2025

        Battery storage is madness ….Ā£billions for 2 mintues of back-up, just madness

    5. Lynn Atkinson
      March 5, 2025

      1. All green issues wind up the ā€˜greeniesā€™ and effect our economy (crash it).
      Scientists say there is no climate change – stay calm and listen – then we will not lose ā€˜a ton of moneyā€™.
      2. Our gas and oil is stored under the ground in the receptacles from which we pump it. We donā€™t need storage, we need pumps!
      3. Tesla is a sideline for Musk, his money is made in space.

  11. Roy Grainger
    March 5, 2025

    The media are now screaming in unison for rearmament – reminds me of when they were screaming for lockdowns. The British press at its worst.

    1. K
      March 5, 2025

      Who the hell would fight abroad for another country for Starmer’s ego and leave their wives, mothers and sisters at home to the misogynist invaders ?

      I exhort people who can to emigrate and de-fund the malign British state that clearly hates them.

      That includes commando trained soldiers and military specialists who will find their skills sought after elsewhere.

      Let the police, councillors, judges, civil servants, train drivers go beg for their pensions from fake-shop mafia bosses and see how far they get.

  12. Donna
    March 5, 2025

    This is all obvious. But the British Establishment/EU have, or at least had, a different objective. Their objective was to create interdependence in the traditional sectors which were essential for an aggressor nation to contemplate war (coal/energy, steel production, food security). Russia is secure in all three.

    We haven’t had food security since before WW2 and since joining the EU and with the imposition of Net Zero we have been deliberately “de-fanged” in the other two of those sectors (energy and steel).

    But the EU now feels threatened so the tune is changing. This is a quote from Von der Leyen, the unelected, unaccountable head of the EU “We have to put Ukraine in a position of strength so that it has the means to fortify and protect itself – from economic survival to military resistance. It’s basically about turning Ukraine into a steel porcupine that is indigestible to invaders. It is now of utmost importance to step up the defence investment for a prolonged period of time. It’s for the security of the EUROPEAN UNION (note she doesn’t say Europe). And we need, in the strategic environment in which we live, to prepare for the worst and therefore step up the defence.”

    I wonder how Two-Tier intends to do that? Instruct the wind to blow and the sun to shine at night so that the windmills work twice as fast and the solar panels are moderately useful for more than 20% of the time?

    It looks to me as though Trump and Putin have just called a halt to the Net Zero SCAM.

  13. Old Albion
    March 5, 2025

    Sir JR. You can see the reality. Many that post here can see the reality. I’ve been stating this reality for years. Yet still our succesive governments have worn blinkers, have denied the truth. Why ?

  14. is-it-me?
    March 5, 2025

    ā€œNet zero will stop re armamentā€ Sir John as always on the right message with this.

    In one direction ā€“ the World the UK is set on the path to opt out, by not playing to the rules of engagement elsewhere, trying on its own to create a race. In the other direction we have been infected and inflicted by Political Terrorism. The Government, Parliament and its MPs have shown they will destroy the UK before working for the Country and its People.

    There will be many things down the line that requires adjustments, new direction and responses to specifics. The only way a Country can respond to a future is to first create the wealth machine, resilience and self-reliance. UK Governments, its Parliament and its MPs have taken to fighting the people of the Country seemingly to ensure there is no future for it and its people, they have banned everything that will let us move forward. They have banned our future without coming up with a resilient, self-reliant alternative. There is no other word for it but Terrorism, a tyrannical ideological Government, Parliament and its MPs out to destroy a Country. They all need to ask themselves that out of the 7billion souls on this Planet why are the isolating the UK? No other Nation is subject to this tyranny they are all moving forward, achieving and thriving. Is it just malicious punishment?

    1. glen cullen
      March 5, 2025

      Strange that ā€˜net-zeroā€™, while considered a policy ā€˜communistā€™ weapon, allowing totalitarian western governments to take control ā€¦isn’t undertaken by China or Russia, maybe because it also reduces manufacturing & increases costs

  15. Bloke
    March 5, 2025

    The Labour govt should admit its guilt and clear any conscience it has by coming clean on Net Zero.

    It is far better to remedy mistakes than proceed on the same erroneous path by making only minor adjustments in a left, left; left, right left march over a cliff edge. Ed Miliband appears to be the fly in the ointment as the main culprit. Remove him from office and put someone sensible in control. The people would support Labour if they saw important changes for the better were making progress, instead of idiotic damage and waste.

    Analgesics can help relieve the symptoms of a headache, but if the cause is some bozo hitting you on the head with a heavy stone, it is far better to stop the cause. Ban the Ed Stone Mark II to begin the recovery. When weā€™re strong enough we can defend ourselves.

  16. Lynn Atkinson
    March 5, 2025

    Thatā€™s exactly what Trump said last night.

  17. Denis Cooper
    March 5, 2025

    Here are the animated scenes of the 1968 film “The Charge of the Light brigade”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGw5DKX6U6w&t=589s

    Just replace “Poor little Turkey!” with “Poor little Ukraine!”.

    “War! War! War!”

    1. Mitchel
      March 6, 2025

      Great film,terrific cast-even accepting the ’60s satire vibe.The charge itself is brilliantly realised.

      See also the 1877 British cartoon with Russia as an octopus with its tentacles around various parts of Europe.

  18. Rod Evans
    March 5, 2025

    The Net Zero policies are a modern day version of throwing virgins down the volcano to still the gods.
    It is pointless, ineffective cruel and driven by ignorance.
    Climate is a big world scale activity that CO2 has an immeasurably small impact on. Note that tern immeasurably, it is too insignificant we have not developed any way to measure it and thus have no way of knowing if it is even a thing!
    The blanket effect the Earth eco systems rely on sometimes mislabelled the greenhouse effect following Arrhenius postulations more than a century ago in 1896, followed the original concept put into consideration by Fourier in 1824. The flaw in the greenhouse theory is the Earth is not a greenhouse as it is not closed and heat in the form of radiation is free to escape to space and does.
    We live in a very benign climate currently, it has not always been like this we should be grateful for the slight warming phase the Earth is currently enjoying, it will not last. and we humans are not responsible for its scale or duration.

  19. Original Richard
    March 5, 2025

    ā€œSome of you argue with the science, but these arguments should be easier to win with those who do see climate change as a threat.ā€

    There are two major weaknesses with your arguments, Sir John.

    Firstly, the climate activists say that CAGW is THE most serious threat to the planet and life on Earth and hence trumps everything else including UK prosperity and national security. Secondly because CAGW and its ā€œsolutionā€, Net Zero, is scam which has been specifically designed to destroy UK prosperity and national security. They know that CO2 does not control the planetā€™s temperature but the attack on CO2 will sabotage our energy and agriculture.

    So arguing that Net Zero is mad cuts no ice with these people and it is therefore necessary to go straight to the jugular and show that CAGW is scientific nonsense.

    1. Original Richard
      March 5, 2025

      PS:

      It doesnā€™t require any science to see that CAGW caused by burning hydrocarbon fuels is nonsense. Just read about climate history and ask why both temperature and CO2 levels have been much higher in the past. The real climate deniers are the BBC who deny there was any climate change until the Industrial Revolution. So no ice age which ended 11,000 year ago with no anthropogenic emissions of CO2? No Roman warm period when vines grew by Hadrianā€™s Wall? No Medieval warm period when Nordic Norsemen from Iceland colonised Greenland for several centuries before the Little Ice Age? And what is the explanation for retreating glaciers revealing tree stumps 7000 years old in BC/Canada and 3000 years old in Iceland? Just read the IPCCā€™s Working Group 1 (ā€œThe Scienceā€) Table 12 in Chapter 12 where they say that no signal for any climate changes such as changes in precipitation, droughts or storms can be found beyond normal variation.

      1. glen cullen
        March 5, 2025

        Agree

  20. is-it-me?
    March 5, 2025

    Net Zero, who is chasing it?
    “‘Europe has sadly spent more money buying Russian oil and gas than they have spent on defending Ukraine by far,’ Trump said.”

    The UK imports similar from all the wrong places at great cost, increased World CO2. Then its Government, Parliament and MP go on an ego trip to suggest while they are making the UK poorer than all its competing Nations they are saving the Planet. Whose brain are they sharing?

  21. Alan Grant
    March 5, 2025

    Totally agree. I am a time served (23years) Royal Engineers and also very interested in railways and I have read many books and seen umpteen photos of how much the railways were such a part of previous wars not only transporting troops ammunition and heavy equipment but the railway workshops that built all there own rolling stock and miscellaneous equipment turned there manufacturing capacity to making military equipment. With our very reduced manufacturing capabilities I fear the country country would be unable to fight back as was done in WW2 and WW2 even if the attitude of the residents of UK changed to one of a fighting spirit. No one wants a war but, I fear if there was one now the British would be beaten. Time for change now before it is to late.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      March 5, 2025

      While the British are fighting on the wrong side it will be no bad thing to be beaten.

  22. majorfrustration
    March 5, 2025

    The prospect of war or something akin does appear to clear the Political thinking. Shame that it should come to this when anybody with sense can see that Net Zero will hollow out the economy – what this country needs is a coalition of the sensible.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      March 5, 2025

      What! Both of us?

  23. Denis Cooper
    March 5, 2025

    GDP growth over the past 5 years – US 12.2%, = 2.3% pa, UK 3.2% = 0.6% pa, Germany – 0.1% = – 0.02% pa.

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02784/assets/dc72b0bb-cca9-43cd-8869-653f5cd09d77.png

    Somebody should point out to Keir Starmer that for growth we need to get closer to the US not the EU.

  24. glen cullen
    March 5, 2025

    Russian loses in past week (estimated by Ukraine Defence)
    Soldiers (1350); Tanks (11); Armoured Vehicles (16); Artillery Guns (60); Air Defence Missiles (2); UAV Drones (61); Transport Vehicles (109)
    Russia can only sustain this weekly lose because they produce oil/gas/steel/electronic/chemicals and donā€™t do net-zero
    https://x.com/DefenceU/status/1896450793919877548
    https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/war-in-ukraine-for-peace-talks-use-the-int-cell.304396/page-17062
    We’d have to surrender after a month

    1. Bill B.
      March 5, 2025

      “Estimated by Ukraine”, as you say. Tell us something interesting.

      1. glen cullen
        March 5, 2025

        UK defence journal
        https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/russia-hits-700000-casualties-in-ukraine-says-britain/
        ”Russia’s average daily losses in February 2025 amounted to 1,255 people”
        UK Ministry of Defence – Intelligence estimate
        https://x.com/DefenceHQ/status/1897263435978825979
        Gives the same account

        1. Bill B.
          March 6, 2025

          And where do you think the the MoD gets its info from? Ukraine. Or do you imagine that the MoD has little men going all over the 1,000k long battlefronts, counting up the numbers of Russian dead?

        2. Mitchel
          March 6, 2025

          All effectively the same propaganda source-the UK has reduced itself to a disinformation vessel,so desperate is the situation for Ukraine and its backers.There is no reliable source of information in the UK any more.

          In the early days of the war,Andrew Neil -who likes to protect his reputation as a journalist-used to retweet the MoD’s daily briefings but soon stopped.Why do you think that was?

  25. Atlas
    March 5, 2025

    Quote: “Some of you argue with the science, but these arguments should be easier to win with those who do see climate change as a threat.”

    Ah, Sir John if only it was possible to ‘Win those arguments’. The critical point being that the blight of “Confirmation Bias” has taken over in the subject.

    Reply Go ahead. I am not stopping you. Make the scientific case.

  26. glen cullen
    March 5, 2025

    326 criminals arrived in the UK yesterday; from the safe country of France ā€¦.

    1. glen cullen
      March 5, 2025

      ”The Illegal Migration Act 2023 deems asylum applications as inadmissible if the claimant has entered the UK illegally” https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/illegal-migration-dealing-with-inadmissible-asylum-applications/
      Has anyone told the Home-Office of this law

      1. Denis Cooper
        March 5, 2025

        Thanks.

        “but not all the actā€™s provisions have yet been commenced”

        as of last May.

        1. glen cullen
          March 5, 2025

          Received Royal Assent on 20 July 2023
          Last updated: 12 September 2024
          https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3429

  27. Donna
    March 5, 2025

    According to the DT we lucky people are going to have 4 days of celebrating the 80-yr anniversary of Victory in Europe. I wonder if Two-Tier will be acknowledging the massive contribution our Russian ally made to the victory šŸ™‚ ?

    Just goes to show how terrified The Establishment is of Farage and Reform. So much so, they’re prepared to spend 4 days pretending to be patriots …. and I expect all criticism of Churchill will be banned for the duration.

    1. Know-Dice
      March 5, 2025

      But, maybe if Russia hadn’t done a land grab at the beginning of WW2 and supported the UK and France then the lost of life would have been much less and the war would be been over much earlier.

      1. Donna
        March 6, 2025

        There are a great many “maybe’s” in history. The fact is that when Hitler invaded Russia, Stalin switched sides and made a massive contribution to the victory – and we supported our ally with the arctic convoys.

      2. Mitchel
        March 6, 2025

        The ‘landgrab’ was to reverse Poland’s earlier landgrab in the aftermath of WWI when it took western Belarus,western Ukraine and half of Lithuania whilst the Russian civil war was underway.

        Later Poland also took part of Czechoslovakia whilst the later was being dismembered by the Germans-and was referred to by Churchill as the ‘greedy hyena of Europe’.

        Britain and France didn’t want an alliance with Russia at that time(although they went through the motions of negotiations) -they wanted Germany to destroy the Soviet Union and be weakened in the process.As Stalin famously said when the war on the western front started “we will not pull their chestnuts out of the fire.”

  28. Ukret123
    March 5, 2025

    Dear Mr Miliband, your a pretty smart guy,
    but your Net Zero is a pretty dumb idea.

  29. Ukret123
    March 5, 2025

    (Correction) you’re…

  30. Keith from Leeds
    March 5, 2025

    Absolutely right! But Net Zero will not only stop us from re-arming, but it is already causing us serious problems. Why are our MPs so thick they cannot see it? Why is our media so brainwashed that they can’t see it?
    Minds are like parachutes, they work best when they are open!
    So why do our Government, MPs, House of Lords and mainstream media have such closed minds?

  31. Barbara
    March 5, 2025

    I do agree that, even on their own terms, the policies they pursue (or endorse) damage us and also do not even lower CO2 emissions, so that alone should make the politicians re-think.

    However, there is also no doubt that the whole NZ drive is a scam, based on fake – or, to be diplomatic, misunderstood – science.

    This link, if our host allows, shows how recent FOI requests have discovered that more than 100 of the 300 or so weather stations used by the Met Office to further their fictional global warming narrative donā€™t even exist.

    https://x.com/StarkNakedBrief/status/1896967041384595563?t=Cc2V0YknC0uhUDB3RjGbhw&s=19

  32. is-it-me?
    March 5, 2025

    From Guido
    “UK Shared Business Services, which is provider to government bankrolled by the department it serves, has handed out a hefty Ā£86,200 contract for ā€œGender, Race and Social Inclusion ā€“ Net Zero transitions.ā€
    So NetZero gets to waste taxpayer money on supporting discrimination (DEI) while doing nothing about fulfilling the UK’s energy needs.
    This absentee Government, Parliament and our MPs need to get a grip on their purpose or resign – we are all fed up with their(it is their waste) waste while sitting on their hands doing nothing

    1. glen cullen
      March 5, 2025

      You couldn’t make it up !

  33. George Sheard
    March 5, 2025

    Hi sir John
    The politicians know best
    they are highly educated people they all know what’s best
    they think the people whom put them there are to be preached to and not to answer back just ask Tommy Robinson
    Untill they need us to put boots on the ground Tony Blair was responsible for the deaths of hundreds pf British troops only for the Americans to give back the country
    they died for to terrorist
    We give the politicians take
    Politician’s want to fight war not prevented them they are safe in Westminster
    While young men die.

  34. glen cullen
    March 5, 2025

    The governments latest net-zero plans 2025+ can be read here
    https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/the-seventh-carbon-budget/
    Zero chance of increasing UK armaments or car manufacturing …or anything

  35. Original Richard
    March 5, 2025

    ā€œI have shown how you cannot make people buy battery cars and heat pumps and change their diets until the green companies can make products that perform better and are more affordable.ā€

    How do you get a well ordered, prosperous democratic country to willingly throw away its prosperity and democracy? You invent a threat that the very basis of their prosperity will kill the planet and you get the population to believe this enormous lie by telling it often enough even if common sense tells them that it cannot be true. This way you get the population to transition from cheap, abundant, reliable energy to expensive, chaotically intermittent, unreliable energy. You tell them they must not only give up eating the foods they like but that food rationing will be necessary. You restrict movement to within 15 minute cities. You transition to electrical replacements for heating and transport so everyone can be easily controlled by smart meters and CBDC. You donā€™t have to use this lie on a country such as China because they are already an authoritarian Communist state. The trick is to ensure the democratic country never realises this and for that you need a powerful and compliant media and Parliament only too happy to sign us up to foreign organisations and courts who make sure that there is never any discussion as to why we are following this path to serfdom.

  36. Original Richard
    March 5, 2025

    Will Ed Miliband start to take action to limit our emissions of the biggest of all the greenhouse gases, dihydrogen monoxide, a gas which is in some parts of the planet more than 100 times more prevalent than CO2 and absorbs over a wider range of the IR spectrum than CO2?

  37. Peter Gardner
    March 5, 2025

    I suppose the demolition of Britain’s manufacturing begs the question, has it anything worth defending? Or to put it another way, why would Putin waste resources attacking UK?
    Labour is stuffing the Upper House with Labour peers and cancelling elections that Labour might lose. He is an authoritarian hard Left socialist on a path to make UK a one-party socialist state. There is no guarantee of a general election when the current parliament ends automatically on the expiry of its 5-year term. There is no legal mechanism to force a general election on a resistant government.
    The new sentencing guidelines make clear Starmer’s Gang’s hatred of the native white British. They are to be singled out and treated more harshly because they are white and because they are native Britons. Oppression of conservative leaning white British is the order of the day.
    There is nothing left for Putin to do. He would not bother with UK even if he had any intention to move against Western Europe with military force.

    1. Mitchel
      March 6, 2025

      Correct!

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