Sir John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): I support the
Government’s amendments to the legislation for the reasons outlined admirably
by the Minister—it did need a little strengthening and this is a welcome
clarification—but I rise mainly to oppose new clause 1.
I am disappointed with the official Opposition, because I
was delighted after the clear decision of the people in the last general
election that the Opposition said that they now fully accepted the result of
the referendum, although it took place years ago—the previous Parliament
blocked its timely implementation. We had a rerun in the general election and
the Opposition fully accepted the verdict of that general election, yet here we
are again today, with new clause 1 deliberately trying to undermine the British
Government’s sensible negotiating position in the European Union.
Whenever there is a disagreement in interpretation of
that original withdrawal agreement between the United Kingdom and the European
Union, the Opposition and most of the other opposition parties rush to accept
the EU’s—very political—interpretation of the situation and rush to say that
anything the UK Government wish to assert in this Parliament, or in a court of
law if it came to that, is clearly illegal.
It is preposterous that we have so many MPs who so
dislike the people of this country that they are still trying to thwart the
very clear wish to have a Brexit that makes sense.
Karin Smyth (Bristol South) (Lab): Will the right
hon. Gentleman give way?
Sir John Redwood: I must not take up too much
time. I wish to develop my argument quickly.
We have to recognise what we are dealing with here. The
EU withdrawal agreement was pretty unsatisfactory and one-sided because the
previous Parliament stopped the Government putting a strong British case and
getting the support of this Parliament in the way the British people wanted.
The Prime Minister wisely went to Europe and did his best to amend the
withdrawal agreement but it was quite clear from the agreed text that a lot was
outstanding and rested to be resolved in the negotiations to be designed around
the future relationship, because we used to say that nothing is agreed until
everything is agreed and that the withdrawal terms had to run alongside the
future relationship.
The EU won that one thanks to the dreadful last
Parliament undermining our position all the time. This Prime Minister is trying
to remedy that and the only reason I was able to vote for the European
Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018—much of it was an agreement that I knew had lots of
problems with it—was that we put in clause 38, a clear assertion of British
sovereignty against the possibility that the EU did not mean what it said in
its promises to my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister and did not offer that
free trade agreement, which was going to be at the core of the new
relationship. We therefore needed that protection, so I am pleased that the
Government put it in.
That made me able to vote for the measure to progress it
to the next stage, but I was always clear that the EU then needed to get rid of
all its posturing and accept what it had said and signed up to—that the core of
our new relationship was going to be a free trade agreement. We were going to
be a third country, we were not going to be under its laws and we were not
going to be in its single market and customs union, but it has systematically
blocked that free trade agreement. The UK has tabled a perfectly good one based
on the agreements the EU has offered to other countries that it did not have such
a close relationship with, but it has not been prepared to accept it. Well, why
does it not table its own? Why does it not show us what it meant when it signed
up to having a free trade agreement at the core of our relationship? If it will
not, we will leave without a deal and that will be a perfectly good result for
the British people, as I said before the referendum and have always said
subsequently.
Of course, it would be better if we could resolve those
matters through that free trade agreement. As colleagues will know, many of the
problems with the Northern Ireland protocol fall away if we have that free
trade agreement, and we are only in this position because the EU is blocking
it.
Why is the EU blocking the agreement? It says that it
wants to grab our fish. I have news for it: they are not on offer. They are
going to be returned to the British people, I trust. I am always being told by
Ministers that they are strong on that. The EU wishes to control our law making
and decide what state aid is in the United Kingdom. No, it will not. We voted
to decide that within the framework of the World Trade Organisation and the
international rules that govern state aid—rules, incidentally, that the EU
regularly breaks. It has often been found guilty of breaking international
state aid rules and has been fined quite substantially as a result.
I support the Government’s amendments, and I support this
piece of legislation. We need every bit of pressure we can to try to get the
free trade agreement and the third-country relationship with the EU that we
were promised by it and by the Government in the general election. We can then
take the massive opportunities of Brexit. It is crucial that new clause 1 is
not agreed to, because it would send a clear message to the European Union that
this Parliament still wants to give in.