UKIP help demolish our liberties

UKIP showed its true colours in the Commons yesterday, voting for Brown’s ghastly Bill. They voted against Habeas Corpus and the doctrine that someone is innocent until proved guilty, by voting for 42 day detention without charge. Don’t rely on them to save our constitution.

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  1. Freeborn John
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    If I had to choose between liberty and democracy i would choose the former, but when I choose between Conservatives and UKIP in next June’s elections to the EU Parliament I will very likely be voting UKIP. The Conservative party selection procedure means that the worst of the federalist fellow travellers among incumbent MEPs are lower on the party list and will be the ones our votes can touch. Voting Conservative would keep these guys in Brussels filling in their expense claims.

    The choice in 2010 will be a different matter.

  2. Ken Adams
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    What all of them!

  3. APL
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    JR: "Don’t rely on them to save our constitution."

    You mean, they, which is to say a recycled Tory, are worse than the Tories, who actually promoted the '73 act (Heath), signed up for the single market – which has been often invoked to our disadvantage – and Endorsed the treaty of Niece.

    Yes, Mr Redwood, that is a convincing argument.

    What constitution? You might post an article as to why England, despite not having a single constitutional document does have a constitution – I don't mean the treaty of Rome either, something far older. And why some actions by government in fact contradict the constitution. The safeguards for the old constitution was of course the Lords and the courts, but Labour knowing that, have consistently vilified and disparaged both, as a precursor to removing them as a force to preserve the old constitution. And for the task of neutering the Lords they enlisted the willing cooperation of another Tory, Strathclyde.

    Reply: The Conservative party voted against the Nice (sic) Treaty.

  4. Stuart Fairney
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    It was reported that certain Labour MP's were bought off with promises to look at relaxing the sanctions against Cuba ~ (that communist dictatorship that imprisons its own people).

    It is unbelieveable that our ancient rights and liberties are viewed as something which are tradeable by Labour MP's if it happens to help out communist dictators!!

    Surely this shows their true colours. Do you know who they were?

  5. David Hannah
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    "Don't rely on them to save our constitution".

    Surely you mean "don't rely on him to save our constitution"? One UKIP MP may have voted with the Government and defied party policy, but then again, so did Anne Widdecombe. Consider it a draw.

    As UKIP are currently the only credible party wholly committed to the restoration of self-government, that was a cheap comment, aimed at patriots for partisan reasons.

  6. Ian Evans
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Strange, but even stranger is the DUP vote!

    They say nothing was offered in exchange for their vote. In that case, should they not tell us what fresh argument Brown came up with to convince them at the last minute? If it was such a compelling argument, why have the rest of us not been told and why was it hidden from Parliament?

    Anyone else smell a rat?

  7. Mark Wadsworth
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Agreed, Bob Spink MP went against para 7.9 of UKIP's own law'n'order manifesto. All very embarrassing. But as David Hannah says, that makes it an embarrassing score-draw.

  8. APL
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    JR: "The Conservative party voted against the Nice (sic) Treaty."

    Newsflash: Man bites dog!

    The thing is Mr Redwood, we all know your credentials on this issue are pretty much impeccable. But it does not work to try to use your reputation to repair the tatty reputation of the Tory party.

    We would like to see some real action. Withdrawing from the proEU grouping in the European Parliament is not enough any more. That should have happened ages ago within the timescale Cameron first promised.

    A firm commitment to revoke the treaty of Lisbon might indicate the right intention. But Cameron is already backing away from that.

    It is the same old saw, Party unity before country. Which effectively means the socialists fifth column in the party all have a veto on party policy.

  9. Matthew
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Are the Tories committed to returing to 14 days?

    reply: I would like to.

  10. Drew Belobaba
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    It makes UKIP look silly because Mr. Spink is the party's only representative in the Commons and he clearly voted against the party's policy. It doesn't in any way suggest that the party is opposed to maintaining our traditional liberties, only that Mr. Spink is.

    By the way, what is the Tory record on civil liberties and protecting our constitution. I am referring to the Party's record rather than your own which I believe to be impeccable.

  11. Matthew
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    But you did vote for the extension to 28 days, didn't you?

  12. mikestallard
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    The trouble is that the Conservative case in Europe is pretty vague, actually. It really amounts to this: "Trust me, I'm a pretty straight kinda guy…."

    The UKIP are, frankly a mess. But Nigel Farrage isn't. He's pretty good, actually. His message is simple: anyone can understand it.

    And then, there, waiting in the wings, is the BNP with a simple policy everyone can understand: "Out". If the economic downturn gets into 1930s dimensions, then we could have serious disorder on the streets and that is when the BNP will come into its own with a sudden bang.
    I understand that a lot of the prison warders at our local high security jail (Category A) are very much attracted to the BNP, but I hope that is just anecdotal.

  13. Adrian Peirson
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    There is another Well Known Party that will tear up all six EU Treaties.

  14. Donitz
    Posted June 13, 2008 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    From the days of my O level history, and I'm going back to the days before the advent of "Mickey Mouse" GCSE's, I remember the tale of John Wilkes.

    In fact my excellent history teacher of the time inspired us with the story of this journalist who fought for the liberty of no imprisonment without trial.

    It would appear that many Socialist M.P.s did not attend that class.

  15. Frederick Davies
    Posted June 14, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    I broadly support your ideas, Mr Redwood, but sometimes you can really be an ass. Come on, admit it; that was a very stupid comment.

    Reply: You may disagree with it but it was not stupid.

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