A brutal and sickening murder

I have nothing original or important to say about the murder in Woolwich. I do not wish to add to the torrents of publicity and commentary in the mainstream media. I will continue to provide commentary and analysis on other topics. I would be grateful if you did not send me generalisations arising from the Woolwich crime.

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  1. Posted May 24, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    It would be useful if we could have a concise comments guide in one place, I’ve tried to help below:

    – Don’t mention UKIP
    – Don’t mention the religion of peace
    – Don’t mention tory traitors
    – Don’t mention UKIP

    Reply I never stop people mentioning UKIP. I do delete VOTE FOR contributions from any party.

  2. Posted May 24, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    I just love the way JR instructs us not to generalise from an incident involving just two murderers. Fair point. That’s why the BBC hasn’t mentioned a word about the four days (and counting) of riots in Stockholm. (etc)

    Reply I have left otu much of this piece as I have not been to Stockholm recently, I do not know who was involved in the rioting there and cannot assess the truth of what you claim. We do need to be told more by the BBC and others who have the resources to follow this important story.

  3. Posted May 24, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    The blame being heaped on the Police and Security Services is absurd. Thirteen minutes for an armed response sounds very quick to me–any shorter and there would be complaints about being too ready with their guns. And if one tenth of the snooping and arrests without trial et cetera necessary to convert “being aware” to “doing something effective about it” were put in place, the Libertarians and Human Rights crowd would themselves be up in arms. There are parallels with Guantanamo.

    • Posted May 25, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

      They have got better, probably since the Twin Towers. In the late 90’s I watched a deranged foreign looking man harass everyone late night in a closed Gatwick airport with extremely threatening behaviour, fighting with guys using a chair arm as a weapon. At one point he was saying he was going to get a gun. The passengers overpowered him at one point, but then did not know what to do, so he carried on. The airport at the time was being modernised behind curtains with intense drilling going on. A crazy night. The police took about four hours to respond. Would not happen now. The SAS would probably arrive.

    • Posted May 25, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

      It was reported that there were unarmed members of the force present before the armed car arrived, but they could not approach. Following the shooting of the two WPCs in Manchester this is not surprising. Fortunatel,y these (people. Ed) did not decide to start killing people, including nearby school pupils. 13 minutes is a long time to use an automatic pistol. Now, armed murderers will know that they have time before being tackled. Perhaps some ordinary members of the force could be given protective shield and a small disabling pistol in their local areas.

  4. Posted May 24, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    A dignified position at this time. IMO

    • Posted May 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

      I agree, quite right.

  5. Posted May 24, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Don’t mention the war.

  6. Posted May 24, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Please ignore adverse comments : your decision is both dignified and perfectly reasonable.

    I’m sure I speak on behalf of everyone posting on your website in wanting to send our sincerest best wishes and expressions of sympathy to the wife and family of Lee Rigby and to his colleagues.

    • Posted May 24, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

      I heartily concur. Well said!

    • Posted May 25, 2013 at 6:41 am | Permalink

      A donation to Help for Heroes and the prominent wearing of a wrist band seems to be the most fitting tribute and display of national unity.

      How many politicians or senior officials will wear them ? Especially those who backed the interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq ?

      If they can’t bring themselves to do this for fear of antagonising certain sections of our community then they should at least divert aid to soldiers’ charities. Such provision for our wounded troops shouldn’t need to be provided by charity anyway.

  7. Posted May 24, 2013 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Quite so John……Here’s something new off the Six o’Clock News….according to Frank Gardner MI5 tried to recruit one of the suspected murderers as an informant, and there are renewed calls to resurrect the Communications Bill….

    zorro

  8. Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    If Blighty kept itself to itself – no more military ‘interventions’ overseas – what justification would these extremists ‘enjoy’ for their actions ?…
    Secularism ? Materialism ?? The Established Church ???

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