Vote Leave launches Brexit budget with abolition of VAT on domestic fuel

Vote Leave has consistently said it wish to spend more of our own money on the NHS, when we get our net contributions back from the EU. Today they have added the wish to abolish VAT on domestic fuel. This is similar to the post Brexit draft budget I launched under the Conservatives for Britain banner earlier this year, which I reproduce for ease of reference below.

 

Conservatives for Britain continues the serialisation of its Brexit Manifesto by showing how a future Conservative government could use the £10bn we send to the EU which we don’t get back to end austerity.

The UK currently hands over £19 billion to the EU every year. We get £9 billion back in services and the rebate which means when we Vote Leave we will be able to guarantee all the funding to farmers, universities and regional grants that currently come from the EU and still have £10 billion more to spend on our priorities like the NHS.

The Conservatives for Britain spending suggestions for the first post-Brexit budget include:

£1.1 billion for disability benefits to avoid controversial cuts
£800 million to train an extra 60,000 nurses a year to deal with shortages and excess agency staff
£250 million a year to provide an additional 10,000 doctors a year to deal with doctor shortages and to staff the seven day NHS well
£750 million a year on social care to offering better support for people in their own homes, and for more care home and respite care places.
£200 million to cancel hospital car parking charges
£400 million for dearer medical treatments not currently licensed by NICE, for example cancer treatments such as Proton Beam therapy and Meningitis vaccines
£1.9 billion to abolish VAT on domestic energy, energy saving materials, on converting existing dwellings and on carry cots, children’s car seats and safety seats
£1.5 billion to keep Council Tax down by offering councils the money to pay for a discount on bills they issue
£900 million to remove Stamp Duty on the £125,000 to £250,000 band of home purchase
£500 million should be allocated to a local road fund to support local schemes to improve junction safety and flows, and to provide additional capacity and bypasses on busy roads in congested areas

Commenting, John Redwood said:

‘The UK currently hands over £19 billion to the EU every year. That’s £350 million a week. If we Vote Leave we will be able to spend our money on our priorities like the NHS. We would have an extra £10 billion to spend allowing us to recruit thousands of new nurses and doctors.

‘We would be able to provide the latest cancer treatments that the NHS currently can not afford and provide extra money for people who are frail and need long term care. We would no longer need to make controversial cuts to disability benefits and we could scrap the tampon tax and the EU’s VAT increases on green goods like solar panels.

‘Instead of sending billions abroad each year we should spend that money on improving our NHS and helping families by cutting unfair EU taxes. That’s why the safer choice in this referendum is to Vote Leave.’

 

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78 Comments

  1. Ian Wragg
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Let’s have a party political broadcast and a full page spread on every newspaper a few days before the referendum.
    It’s time Voteleave used some of the taxpayers money to convince the public what a shamble the EU is.

  2. Lifelogic
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    The NHS will be far better off anyway as it will not have all the health tourism that abounds. It still needs huge reform though. The structure of the NHS, the bureaucracy, the way is is funded, the incompetence and its virtual monopoly is hugely damaging to the health of the nation. Thousand die needlessly every month as a result.

    Get rid of Osborne’s absurd 10% insurance premium tax on medical (and other) insurance and encourage more private provision to lighten the load on the NHS.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:52 am | Permalink

      Indeed give some tax relief for people to opt out of the state provision in education and health. Instead of this absurdly inefficient & virtual state monopoly over health and education. With the governments:- we have your tax money already so you get what you are given (or not) and like it or leave it.

      That way the government will save considerably, taxes can fall, competition will improve and standards will improve hugely.

    • Jerry
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

      Lifelogic; “The NHS will be far better off anyway as it will not have all the health tourism that abounds.”

      Perhaps the NHS will not have the Health Tourism your favoured news media often rant about but the NHS (along with social services) will have scores of elderly ex-expats (no, that was not a typo, think about it…) should the likes of the current S1 certificate become invalid.

      Oh and unless the UK train far more doctors and surgeons how will allowing people to buy private health insurance help, operating theatres are already being left unused due to a shortage of specialists.

      • Anonymous
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

        Jerry – It will make a change to have people who have actually paid for the system using it.

        We can have relations with the EU. It is they that insist on undemocratic absolutes.

        It’s that that is causing the whole problem.

        • Anonymous
          Posted May 31, 2016 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

          Jerry – Spain is a net benificiary of EU funds and we are a net contributor. Therefore we’re ALREADY putting towards ‘ex-expats’ healthcare in Spain.

        • Jerry
          Posted May 31, 2016 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

          @Anonymous; “It’s that that is causing the whole problem.”

          Yes, yours and UKIP’s sort of thought process is, you lot never think about the effect of your cause…

          If you think the NHS has a bed-blocking problem just wait until expats start returning to the UK for NHS treatment instead of simply using their S1 forms, but then as they have no home to be released to as an out patient they then have to stay in hospital taking up a valuable bed. Then of course social services will get involved, after all as you agree these people have paid into the system so they will EXPECT to take out in their hour of need, thus rather than your working age couple/family who were expecting to be able to move into that social housing property they will be told sorry but a more urgent case has jumped to the top of the list, etc.

          Perhaps @Anonymous, if you actually tried to understand the issue rather than just going off on a UKIP type rant next time someone points out a home truth or two. You see it is not the direct cost of the medical treatment that is the issue, the NHS pays either way, but it is the collateral problems such as bed-blocking and housing now that they are away from their friends and expat support communities.

          Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a reason to reject Brexit but we must not be blind to a likely problem. It is an elephant in the room whether you care to see it or not.

          • Anonymous
            Posted June 1, 2016 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

            Richard – Migrants get old too and will be bed blocking soon enough.

            I said this “It will make a change to have people who have actually paid for the system using it.” so I do acknowledge the issue. And you also suggest that it’s not a reason to reject Brexit.

            Things are not going to be easy. No-one has said that. The EU is anti democratic and without UKIP we wouldn’t have had an opportunity to resist it.

            It is entirely wrong of you to use ‘UKIP’ in the pejorative sense. It is an entirely reasonable, lawful, peaceful and democratic response to decades of abuse from the elitists.

      • Dame Rita Webb
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

        Sorry Jerry but if you speak to people who work in the NHS they will tell you all about it

        • Jerry
          Posted May 31, 2016 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

          @DRW; Can you be more precise what I should speak to them about, assuming I have not already of course.

          • Patrick Geddes
            Posted June 1, 2016 at 7:29 am | Permalink

            Strange arguments based on unlikely myths Jerry.
            First you claim ex pats in the EU will be expelled and return home to the UK being a burden on the NHS.
            Where or when have EU nations said this is what they will do?
            Where or when has any EU nation said that will stop any reciprocal health arrangements?

            And your other argument about shortages of medical staff post Brexit is just as odd.
            If we had control over our own policy with a points based system we could still allow in medical staff.
            Or get the BMA to finally agree to allow us to train more UK people in medical schools.
            Tens of thousands of A level students with good grades who want to train turned away every year.

          • Jerry
            Posted June 1, 2016 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

            @Patrick Geddes; “First you claim ex pats in the EU will be expelled and return home to the UK being a burden on the NHS.”

            Stop putting words into my mouth, I never said expelled, I said that expats will choose to return to the UK, and what choice will they have if they can not get health care via their S1 forms and can’t afford to buy private insurance. Oh and if the UK, post Brexit, stops the right to free NHS treatment (via S1 etc.) for EU passport holders in the UK then why would any of the other 27 opt to carry on offering what is now a non-bilateral agreement to UK expats?!

            Also I did not say a shortage after Brexit, I said that there is already a shortage of such staff within the NHS, and if the availability pool of trained specialists and surgeons etc. is further reduced (as @Lifelogic wants) because these people are further tempted away to carry out private practice work for private medical insurance companies then it will only get worse.

            “If we had control over our own policy with a points based system we could still allow in medical staff.”

            We can do that anyway, without such a points system. Oh and when has the BMA (basically a trade union) stopped more doctors etc. from being trained, perhaps you could cite a document from the BMA (ie not a third party report from a newspaper etc.)?

            I also suspect that medical schools have to turn suitably qualified applicants away simply because either the facilities (buildings etc) can not accept greater numbers or the tuition funding is not available – once again both could be dealt with regardless of any Brexit, assuming that there is the political will and belief in the NHS…

            Reply The UK state pays for our migrants to Spain to have healthcare there, so will be able to carry on paying for it when we leave the EU!

      • Mark
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

        At the EU level, it appears we spend far more treating their citizens than they do on ours, so it may not be in the EU interest to unwind the arrangements in a hurry. At the specific country level, the retired expats bring British pensions to spend and support economies such the Spanish and French – an economic loss they might be unwilling to sustain even if it might save them a little on medical expenses. It’s an interesting fact that the British have kept almost exclusively to the old EU (and have been limited in number), while the EU migrants we have are dominated by the Poles and other A8 and A2 nationals – we have over 3 million EU citizens living in the UK according to the ONS.

        • Jerry
          Posted May 31, 2016 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

          @Mark; See my reply to @Anonymous above.

        • Qubus
          Posted June 1, 2016 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

          I don’t see many OAPs retiring and going to live in Poland!!!

      • Lifelogic
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

        The supply of doctors and medical staff needs to increase and will do either more trained or they will be imported. They can also be used far more efficiently than they are currently.

  3. Bert Young
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    The proposal of the “leavers” to remove the VAT on domestic fuel is an excellent way to attract the ordinary voter . Spelling out and quantifying how the savings can be allocated from the funds we send to the EU , strikes a message into the pockets of everyone . It is also another indication of how a new Government under a new leader would act after June 23rd . Cameron has clearly shot himself in the foot .

  4. Atlas
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    John,

    A good move by Brexit.

    By the way, I heard that Stephen Hawking wants us to remain in the EU. I’m sorry to say that he is another example of a scientist who is fed from the EU largesse (at our great expense); yet another example of “good old Project Fear drip-feed in action”!

    • Lifelogic
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

      Indeed an endless stream of vested interests. In fact the UK government post Brexit and with a much stronger economy and restoration of democracy will be in far better position of fund science more generously.

      Hopefully they will direct funds away from the climate alarmism religion into more sensible areas of real science.

      I cannot imagine independent thinkers like Richard Feynman would be wanting us to remain in the anti-democratic, bureaucratic disaster that is the EU.

      • Atlas
        Posted June 1, 2016 at 10:03 am | Permalink

        Agreed.

  5. Vanessa
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Neither side, in this referendum, has fought an honest and decent campaign. Nothing they say is true. The Remain has fought on fear of leaving and Leave has fought on fear of Staying.
    Neither side has set out how we would leave; how long it might take; which organisations we would join to keep our economy and trade working smoothly; what we can hope for in the years to come.
    This is NOT the way to fight a referendum and is almost exactly like the Scottish one. There has been absolutely no positives for either side. How on earth are we all to vote on NEGATIVES ?

    Reply I did set out how I think we should leave

    • alan jutson
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:35 am | Permalink

      Vanessa

      Suggest you Google Brexit the Movie, (the full movie version) and then view it.

      Takes about an hour and ten mins in total, but worth every minute for a rather more factual and historical explanation of why we should go it alone.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

      William Hague today says:

      Almost every day at the moment, people from other countries ask me if there will be another referendum on the EU after this one.

      “No,” I tell them, “whatever the result, that’s it. Even if it’s 51-49 to leave, we’re leaving. And if it’s 51-49 the other way, we’re staying indefinitely.”

      Complete nonsense if we vote Brexit we will not escape that easily. A new better deal (how could it not be better) will be put to the voters. Just as it was with the Irish and others. We must reject that too but there is no reason to vote remain in the first one even if you want to remain.

      If we vote remain the people will not put up with the wild ride to a single EU country for much longer anyway.

    • agricola
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

      Vanessa, it is informed legal opinion that all the EU trade agreements with others in the World, we have signed as agreeing to are just as valid for the UK whether we are in or out of the EU.

      Equally, no person of any consequence in the EU has suggested that they wish to tear up our free trade agreement with EU members. It would have a very negative effect on EU exports to the UK. Worth £60 Billion more PA., to the EU than our exports to them.

      On the positive side again we could rebuild our fishing industry, re-think our energy policy which is currently exiling energy intensive industry abroad. Then there is the law, it could become home grown once again, a reversion to Habeas Corpus. We can avoid being dragged into the EU tax plan for all, which like the Euro will have a negative effect on the poorer countries of the EU. It would prevent our economy from responding to market circumstances, so it is positive to avoid it.

      Most important we can re-establish our business relationship with the Commonwealth. By being free to buy food wherever we choose in the World, bills can be lowered and developing countries given a lift to their economies. Much better than spewing Overseas Aid around willy nilly.

      Lastly there is the money, our tax money. If we continue supporting all those pro EU causes and organisations after Brexit we will still be £8.5-10.0 Billion better off every year and that is without the EU’s inflationary spending.

      Start thinking positively Vanessa.

      • Know-dice
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

        Playing “devils advocate” here… 😮

        ” it is informed legal opinion that all the EU trade agreements with others in the World, we have signed as agreeing to are just as valid for the UK whether we are in or out of the EU.”

        Are you sure?

        We are potentially breaking the agreement by not paying our subscription and stopping free movement. Doesn’t that invalidate the agreement?

    • Dame Rita Webb
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

      It does not matter what the remain camp want to say. The people I am talking to are voting on the the basis its a chance to remove Cameron and these are not lefties either. However you can always rely on Labour to miss a golden opportunity to decapitate a Conservative government just over a year of it winning a general election. Its not as if the average Labour voter has anything in common with the millionaire celebrity remain campaigners.

  6. Know-dice
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Do we actually “hand over” the Rebate amount then get it back or is it deducted at source?

    • alan jutson
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

      Know -dice

      I have no idea if we deduct the rebate before we pay them, but do remember.

      You have to separate the two figures for the simple reason our membership fees go up each year, and our so called rebate is reduced from time-time as the EU gradually tries to erode it, and our politicians seem to allow them to do so.

      Thus our original rebate is now very much smaller than it was when first introduced.

      Other returns/rebates (research, charities, university funds and our Farmers etc ) also vary year by year, but the EU tells us where to spend this money (originally given by us to them) otherwise we do not get it back.

      Thus the EU fixes all the figures year – year.

      • Know-dice
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

        Yes, but…

        By saying we ship the rebate to the EU each week, we are leaving ourselves open to the challenge that our figures are bogus. I would rather use a figure of what is actually shipped to the EU and we loose control of.

        The essence of the argument is that we loose control of this money, isn’t it?

  7. Richard1
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    This is not a general election, the govt will not change so why does there need to be a Brexit budget? It will be up to the elected govt – the only point we need to make is the £10bn will be spent by the govt elected in the uk not by the eu elsewhere.

    I fear this list has a political slant to it and would not normally represent the priorities of the authors. At least the number of nurses is down from 600,000 to 60,000. Do we really need that many more? From what I hear they arnt particularly overworked. I would have thought more focus on getting tax rates competitive to boost investment and a reversal of defence cuts would be a more sensible priority, but perhaps that wouldn’t achieve the required ‘triangulation’?

    Reply We need a Brexit budget to spend the Brexit bonus! It will be a renewed government with a major change of policy after voting for Brexit.

    • Richard1
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

      Well I hope you will allow your name to go forward as a member of it – chancellor eg – if so…

  8. Mick
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    These reductions in vat should be shouted from the roof tops this is the sort of thing people understand and not 200 odd pages of what might happen in 20 odd years down the line, also what’s the chances of Briexit The Movie being put on all tv channels so the undersiders and remainers can see how were being screwed by the dreaded eu

    Reply I tried to do that – now Vote leave are giving it another push through the joint letter today

  9. Dame Rita Webb
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    JR honestly what sort of doctor are you going to get at £25k a pop. Apart from being an uncompetitive wage it does not even consider the additional costs the NHS takes on with another doctor on the books

    Reply It’s the study cost for students, as an annual item. They study for several years.

    • Dame Rita Webb
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:59 am | Permalink

      Bottom of the scale for a student doctor is £23k p.a. Where is the assumption for NICs, the pension, SSP etc?

      Reply The NI etc is no net cost to the state. The costs are the costs for students, to become doctors.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

      Do not forget than when the state pays some one nearly half the money comes back again in deductions & extra taxes. So the net cost to the state is less than the salary.

      • Dame Rita Webb
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

        Top of the scale is over £33k p.a. so the assumption still looks a bit wobbly.
        Also you still have not made the NHS an attractive place for a doctor to work. Regardless of the deal with Hunt most of the juniors I talk to still want out. Its still down to crap management by non medics and the never ending paperwork

        • Lifelogic
          Posted May 31, 2016 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

          I agree it is appallingly managed, run, funded and structured. It only works at all due to a few hardworking people trying to do their very best, despite the dreadful system.

        • libertarian
          Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

          DRW

          Totally agree, the NHS is a crap service, run by crap management with crap systems and services and a double crap structure

  10. David L
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Although finding the evidence for Brexit convincing in many ways, there is one area I need re-assurance about.
    “Remain” will continue the trend of people from Eastern and Central Europe coming to the UK and working for lower pay and accepting worse conditions than we are used to. Does that mean that “Leave” will require people already here, whether British or other, also to accept lower pay and inferior conditions? Although not in the EU we still have to compete with it on the world stage. The enthusiasm shown by many major companies for Remain leads me to conclude that they are set on driving down labour costs whatever happens.

    Reply We expect wages to go up a bit with lower migration. We compete by raising productivity at the same time

    • Anonymous
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

      Housing costs should stabilise, or come down – a pay rise, in effect.

    • forthurst
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

      “The enthusiasm shown by many major companies for Remain leads me to conclude that they are set on driving down labour costs whatever happens.”

      Most of the low wage jobs are in service industries not involved in exports; wages are subject to supply (unlimited if we are in the EU) and demand; in addition, corporations like the EU because not only does it allow them to pay cheap wages but it also allows them to domicile their businesses abroad to minimise their tax liabilities; furthermore they can outcompete smaller operators who struggle to negotiate the labyrinthine rubric of the Single Market.

  11. ian
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Hi, Brothers & Sisters how is the sinister ref going, if you go to petitions uk government and parliament and read the petition, we require parliament to debate LORD KILMUIRS letter to EDWARD HEATH and then sign it if you want to hear it debated in parliament, you have still September to read it.
    It about the treaty of Rome.
    Also if you go to parliament business to Bill HL Bill 15 rights of sovereign and the duchy of cornwall, the removal of queens and prince consent which is going throw parliament now to be ready for after the ref, this will tell you everything you need to know.

    • Know-dice
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:35 pm | Permalink
    • Jerry
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

      @ian; “if you want to hear it debated in parliament, you have still September to read it. It about the treaty of Rome.”

      A little irrelevant by then I guess, Brexit or no Brexit, good luck though!…

      I would have though those papers would by mow by in the public domain anyway, if they have been withheld then perhaps seeking their release might be a better cause?

      • Anonymous
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

        If no Brexit then all UK politics will be irrelevant.

        • Jerry
          Posted May 31, 2016 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

          @Anonymous; Why, Texas still manage to be relevant even though it is in a political Federation, both to their citizens at the State level, at Federal level, never mind supplying a few Presidents to the White House, as do, with perhaps the exception of the Presidents, the other 49 States.

          Of course if Remain win and the UK goes off and sulks (by way of a lame-duck party of government at war with themselves) then of course we would make ourselves more than irrelevant!

  12. Chris
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Significant intervention by Ashoka Mody (Visiting Professor of International Economic Policy at Princeton University and former deputy director of the International Monetary Fund’s European and Research) on Brexit debate and how Remain have distorted the facts:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eu-referendum-why-the-economic-consensus-on-brexit-is-flawed-a7057306.html
    “EU referendum: Why the economic consensus on Brexit is flawed
    A former senior International Monetary Fund economist says the arguments that leaving the EU would cause permanent damage to the UK are not supported by evidence.

    ……Since 2010, official agencies have repeatedly promised global recovery. The forecasts fail because they all disregard inconvenient evidence. Now, the official consensus on the economic costs of Brexit has crossed the line into groupthink. A numerical illusion is masquerading as a “fact.” And when those in authority distort facts, they also subvert the cause of democracy.

    • oldtimer
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

      Thanks for that useful link.

  13. Mark
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    It seems to me that on leaving the EU, we could write our own rules on VAT that largely eliminated the massive tax losses from MTIC – most recently estimated at £13.5bn.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/506781/2nd-est-vat-gap-2015.pdf

  14. Chris
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    The Leave campaign is getting a hugely encouraging reception on the ground, whatever the polls may say. I was very pleased to see the genuine welcome that Farage was receiving in Bolton very recently, and today in Birmingham, just the latest venue he is visiting – photos on Farage’s twitter account and Brexitbus tour are convincing. His energy and dedication are second to none, and please remember those who say he is toxic to Brexit: 1) that the evidence on the ground is not indicating it; 2) that Margaret Thatcher was considered highly toxic by a significant proportion of the population, but she made an outstanding PM; 3) that “toxic” was a label/deliberate smear invented by the left wing liberals and their friends in the compliant media, and encouraged by David Cameron and many Tory MPs, I feel. Shame on them.

    • John C.
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

      Absolutely right. Farage spoke this morning on LBC on the subject of the illegal immigrant channel crossings, and he spoke clearly, incisively and sensibly. He is absolutely refreshing after the bumbling, often deceitful and clearly instructed “experts” who so often are invited to say their thing.
      And you are so right on the “toxic” description, clearly invented to mean “We don’t like what you say, we are shown up by your knowledge and straightforwardness, and therefore we want to sideline you and if possible shut you up totally.” Absolutely disgraceful- but here’s one person who’s not falling for that line.

      • Chris
        Posted May 31, 2016 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

        Thanks, JC. Just seen the videoclip of NF in Birmingham, and his rapport with the people is so natural and charming. I like it when he got wrapped up in purple fabric from a market trader’s stall. They had lots of fun it seemed.
        https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

  15. CHRISTOPHER HOUSTON
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    A Brexit Budget could encourage goodly civic duty by collecting in every village, town and City the EU flag, after giving a clear description of it to the many, and replacing it with a free Union Flag. New for despicably shoddy Old.
    The EU flags could then be sold to Turkey at a discount. Not enough time to make new ones.

  16. Just discovered
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    pollstationuk. you can vote on it (just click ) and share it on twitter/facebook ( should you have those. I don’t but they are good for info spreading). Its 83% out at the moment.

  17. CHRISTOPHER HOUSTON
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Some money should be set aside in the Brexit Budget, on humanitarian grounds for I doubt it is covered by EU or UN legislation, as subsidy for Remain Campaigners wishing to return to their own country the EU.

  18. miami.mode
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    £1.5 billion for Council Tax rebate? Would this be not be better used by Councils in repairing potholes, restoring street lights at night, and restoring public toilets. They are almost trying to turn us into an upmarket Third World country.

    What is it with some Labour politicians?

    Chuka Umunna is on TV answering a pensioner’s question to the effect that in the case of Brexit the cost of goods from her local shop will increase due to the imposition of tariffs.

    Harriet Harman came out with a similar argument a couple of weeks ago until Andrew Neil mentioned the absurdity of her comment, unless, of course, Labour intend to impose import tariffs on a large range of goods if they regain power.

  19. Chris S
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Interesting developments in France which could have far-reaching results for the EU and the UK, whether or not we vote to leave.

    Hollande, the Socialist President who failed to persuade his own Deputies, (members of Parliament), to vote in favour of long-overdue labour market reforms, has now imposed those same reforms by Presidential decree.

    As a result, the French Trade Unions are leading millions of workers in protests against globalisation and fairly modest changes to the terms of their employment.

    Next year it is almost a certainty that the two candidates to go into the second round of the Presidential election campaign will be the Front National candidate, Marine LePen and the Candidate from the Republican party, possibly Nicolas Sarkozy.

    If the Socialists and Republican parties are to keep Marine LePen out of the Élysée Palace, after the first round, the losing socialist candidate will have to persuade their supporters to vote for the Republican candidate. That would be like Corbyn asking his supporters to vote for David Cameron in the knowledge that he would almost certainly introduce labour laws that would be even more strict than Hollande has been trying to inpopose. Is this at all likely ? No.

    Yet failure to succeed will hand control of France to Marine LePen and all bets will then be off on the future of the Euro – and by implication, the EU.

    So, irrespective of the outcome of our referendum, it is quite likely that the Eurozone will be holed beneath the waterline by a French withdrawal from the Euro and a demand for more protectionist trade policies. These tensions could well result in a break up of the EU as we know it.

  20. oldtimer
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    The real significance of the Leave campaign`s idea to abolish VAT on fuel is to highlight the fact that it is impossible to do so within the EU unless all 28 members agree. Outside the EU that choice would rest with the government of the day.

    The risk of listing all the many possible ways of spending the £10 billion that would no longer be paid to the EU is that it will quickly add up to much more than £10 billion and cease to be credible. The Remain campaign is already arguing this way.

    I believe that whatever the Leave campaign says should and must be factually correct and seen to be true. The inability to control EU immigration if we Remain is incontestably and obviously true. Everyone can understand that. The recovery of the net £10 billion a year payment to the EU is equally clear and true. I thought that Mr Gove put the VAT on energy price issue equally clearly and explicitly when interviewed this morning on BBC Breakfast. In controvertible facts of the here and now are more effective than guesswork about an uncertain, unknown future.

    Reply My Brexit budget does add up!

    • oldtimer
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

      That should read “incontrovertible” in my final sentence.

    • Ian Wragg
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

      We should scrap VAT altogether and go back to a simple sales tax. Billions could be saved in useless administration costs.

  21. graham1946
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Everyone is ecstatic about this but what is it really? Good idea, but a bit timid. Michael Gove today said it amounted to about £60 per household per year. I can’t see that shifting the vote to Remain much. Something much bolder is required and before I get accused of just knocking, without helping I did put forward my ideas for the Brexit Bonus the other day but it failed to make the moderator’s cut.
    Perhaps we will get something more ambitious nearer to voting day.

  22. graham1946
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    PS. Sorry – I meant ‘shifting the vote from Remain much’.

  23. Dennis
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Just heard an EU debate on WATO with Liam Fox, Roger Bootle, Roland Rudd and Amber Rudd (?).

    R. Rudd opened with saying that Leave or someone on Leave has said that every penny of the £350m could or would (didn’t hear which) be put in the NHS.

    What did Fox or Bootle have to say about this? Nothing.

    Also it was stated that at least some proponents of Leave would get rid of every EU rule and regulation including the good ones I suppose. Any comment from Fox and Bootle? No.

  24. Elsey
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    The EU is on a one way ride to economic catastrophe -soon. Britain’s only chance of avoiding the worst effects is to leave as quickly as possible and attempt to get it’s affairs in order with a chancellor that can add up (if we can find one).

  25. Chris
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 2:51 pm | Permalink
  26. ian
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    To jerry, International law of treaties, any treaty where fraud or deception is used is immediately null and void.
    1972 before heath sign the treaty of rome, he ask the top law officer at the time the legal implications of him signing the treaty and was told in writing that giving away your sovereignty to another state would be illegal, heath still signed the treaty of rome knowing full well that it was illegal and misled parliament and the people by stating that there was no loss of sovereignty and the parliament has gone on to sign more illegal treaty with the eu knowing full well that they are all illegal and have kept it hidden from you for over 40 years, you have never been in the eu, the minute heath signed the treaty it was illegal and the other treaty are illegal according to your English law and the magna crater , so if I was you jerry I would go to the two sites and look at everything carefully because you are just about to go in with rights of sovereign and the duchy of cornwall bill, the removal of queens and prince consent, which is waiting to be sign in to law after the ref.

    Reply There is nothing illegal about the Treaties we have signed, though they were damaging and foolish.

  27. Loddon
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Remain are being reported as saying that Leave’s proposals for spending the £10 billion now add up to £100 billion !!!!
    Is someone on Leave going to refute that vigorously and show your figures to the BBC???

    Reply I have just set out my figures again on this site!

    • alan jutson
      Posted May 31, 2016 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

      Loddon

      Think you find remain have been adding up all the “alternatives”
      to get their figure.

      Thus they are deliberately trying to confuse

      If I have £100 to spend, and say I can either do this, or that, or the other with i,t I am giving alternatives not suggesting I will buy all.

  28. ian
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    To john, you can not say it was legal till the two letters are bought in to the public domain, one by Lord Kilmuirs and one by heath and read out in parliament to be able to come to the decision that treaty were legal, you sir are jumping the gun.
    Anyway even if you win out vote there will be two years for a change of mind and everybody change there mind because the country will be thrown in to a depression to make them change there minds, this ref is a sideshow for people who want out and when we do go in this time after few years parliament will want to come out again.

  29. David Price
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Excellent move to target VAT, it impacts everyone and would help the less well off in particular, one of the better tax reductions to aim for. Not to mention that VAT adjustment is under the control of the EU and so reduction is not available as a policy for the Remain side to exploit.

  30. ian
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Mr Heath has already said what he had done in his last book he wrote and when the letters are made public and when letters are debated in parliament the public will know that they were taken for ride in 1972 just like they are being taken for a ride now so the parliament can make it legal to be in the eu by signing the rights of sovereign and duchy of cornwall bill to over ride the country laws and the queen who has never agree to the eu herself in her roll as head of state, if this was not the case the parliament would not have to bring in the new law HL bill 15 the removal of the queen,s and prince consent because the queen would never agree to giving her country England sovereignty to a foreign state call the eu or any other foreign power.
    This bill takes the queen power away so parliament can sign up to the eu without the queen consent, to make it legal at last to be in the eu after the ref for the first time in over 40 years. loving it hear.

    Reply The Queen consented to the 1972 Act which gave powers to the EU

    • Tony Wakeling
      Posted June 1, 2016 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

      It wasn’t within the Queen’s powers to give consent. She holds her powers on trust

  31. ian
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Parliament cannot give away sovereignty by rubber stamping it in parliament the queen would have to sign it and seal it herself and as parliament cannot ask the queen to do it, so they have bought in this new bill to takeaway sovereignty from the queen and give it to parliament, until this bill is sign the queen still has full sovereignty over the country and the people in England, when this bill is sign and bought into law the queen of England will have her sovereignty taken away and given to parliament to do with as they wish.

  32. A different Simon
    Posted May 31, 2016 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    John ,

    How about a pledge to increase the size of school dinners ?

    My sister is a dinner lady in Leicestershire and the 7-9 year olds get one and a half fish fingers for lunch .

    These are starvation rations and not enough to properly develop children’s brains and bones let alone stave off hunger so they can concentrate during lessons .

    Can the nation not subsidise the £2/day the parents pay to give the little bairns 2 fish fingers or even 3 ?

    Do fatty Cameron and treble chinned Osborne know about this or are they that out of touch ?

  33. ian
    Posted June 1, 2016 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    In the 13th century, king john of England gave the sovereignty of the country away to the pope and said the people of England would pay tribute in the form of money for all time, when he was replace as king the newly crown king took back sovereignty the minute he was crown king of England and never pay any tribute to the pope and pope could not do any thing about it because it the law of the land and the law of land has not changed to this day.

    The new bill will never include a newly crown monarch, so you will have to do away with monarchy to do the job right and eu will want that to be done so there are no loophole in it sovereignty but even then it not easy because the people can always vote to have monarchy back and when crown sovereignty is bought back to the country.

    The only way to do it is to do away with monarchy and do away with parliament and let civil service run the country on eu laws, that mean no more law making in this country.

    The government needs to go to common law court with a real judge not a puppet judge form one of other law courts to see if what they are doing is legal, the parliament will not do it in case they get laugh out of court.
    That’s why the parliament has buff it way along because sovereignty not in their power to give away, once taken to court and parliament has been found out that it against the law of the land, parliament will not able to past any more treaties, the game is up.
    Catch 22.

  34. Sean
    Posted June 1, 2016 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    We need this Budget in the main stream media, this is likely to win votes.

  35. hefner
    Posted June 1, 2016 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Finally, an itemised (and rather realistic) kind of budget after Brexit. It took time but it looks worth the wait. Thanks.

    Reply I did launch it some weeks ago the first time!

    • hefner
      Posted June 1, 2016 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

      Sorry, and apologies, I missed it. I cannot read your blog every day, and tend to skip some if I have fallen behind by too many days.

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