The brutal attack in London

I have awoken to the news of the dreadful attack in London. I will observe the Conservative decision to suspend campaigning.

I send my condolences to those who have lost relatives and friends, and wish all who are injured a speedy recovery.

The earlier post this morning was written yesterday and posted on a time trigger.

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92 Comments

  1. APL
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    Wonderful news, that behind the cordon of troops and armed police, our Politicians are safe. Our prayers are with you all.

    • JoolsB
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

      Yes we should all carry on as normal as the politicians keep telling us but of course that would be easier to do if we all had the protection they give themselves.

  2. The Prangwizard
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    Here we go again; a limp-wristed response. Suspend campaigning. I said last time ‘what if?’

    What if there are others? What if there is another attack, or two?
    What if there is one on the morning of the 8th June?

    Will the election be called off? Leadership by snowflakes.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:46 am | Permalink

      Indeed a rather wet response. UKIP are right to continue campaigning.

      We should treat the incident just as we would a plane crash, coach crash or a serious fire. Tend to the injured, clear up, try our best to prevent any recurrence, arrest anyone connected to it and just get on with our lives as before.

      The terrorists want to disrupt as much as possible. This wet response just encourages them further. It is rather like paying ransoms to kidnappers.

      • JoolsB
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

        but then UKIP are the only ones in touch with the public – English Parliament, scrap the Barnett Formula, cut foreign aid budget – something the Tories there by the grace of England refuse to do.

        • Hope
          Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

          May knew how many potential terrorists there were when Home Secretary and decided to cut 20,000 in number despite being told of the dangers for dong so. She has to accept her incompetent role in making us unsafe. Last week she sen in the army, now what? She must walk.

          • Denis Cooper
            Posted June 5, 2017 at 7:26 am | Permalink

            Maybe that was something to do with the preceding Labour government getting itself into the fix where it was having to borrow about a quarter of all the money it was spending and was beginning to run out of people prepared to lend it more.

      • margaret
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

        I like wet in these circumstances. We should be angry , but not inflammatory .How do we decide what words will make things better or worse and do you think this blog site has an impact of any kind on terrorists.?

    • eeyore
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:53 am | Permalink

      The Met Commissioner says they rely on their American colleagues to “keep Britain safe”. Mr Corbyn is no friend to America and an admirer of her enemies. He is not a safe pair of ears. Were he in power, who could doubt this vital intelligence and security co-operation would stop?

      • MickN
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 11:31 am | Permalink

        The thought that the next COBRA meeting could be chaired by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbot fills me with dread.

      • Mike Stallard
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 11:35 am | Permalink

        She needs a few Brazilians no doubt…

      • Lifelogic
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 11:59 am | Permalink

        Perhaps more to the point is that Corbyn would destroy the economy in short order. So we would stuggle to afford any decent law and order or defence at all. Even if he did want some. He would also render Trident worthless at at stroke.

    • Sir Joe Soap
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:41 am | Permalink

      UKIP’s very sensible response – suspending campaigning at this stage is what the terrorists want.

    • APL
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:00 am | Permalink

      The Prangwizard: “a limp-wristed response. Suspend campaigning. I said last time โ€˜what if?โ€™ ”

      Of course, the Politicians don’t want to be on the streets when there are crazed armed Islamist running amok. Politicians are going to huddle behind their police special protection.

      After all, we’re all in this together — David Cameron.
      and
      These type of attacks are just part and parcel of living in a modern city. — Sadiq Khan.

      • anon
        Posted June 5, 2017 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

        priceless

    • Richard1
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:10 am | Permalink

      Its an appalling attack. I’m not sure what the authorities are meant to do beyond what they are doing?

      • Lifelogic
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

        Better intellegence is about all they can do, that and make it clear that the terrorists will achieve nothing and will change nothing. You cannot protect all the countless potential targets.

      • Bob
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

        @Richard1

        “not sure what the authorities are meant to do…”

        Stop allowing insurgents into the country would be a good starting point.

      • eeyore
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

        Well, I hope they have some ideas. But protecting a free and open society from unpredictable random depravity of this sort is quite a tall order.

        It is not, however, impossible. The problem has a solution which has been known to governments everywhere for centuries, indeed millennia. It is to order a system of tithing by which communities are divided into small groups, each legally responsible for the good behaviour of its members.

        For nearly a thousand years England was divided into tithings. Oddly, the system has never been formally abandoned.

        I am not suggesting this is desirable or workable in a modern liberal democracy. It may offer some hope, though, to remember that the problem is very old indeed and that with ingenuity an effective answer may be found.

      • Tad Davison
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

        Who was it as Home Secretary, announced to the United Services Institute that she was to do away with control orders because she wanted the emphasis to be on liberty?

        And who cut the police numbers by 20,000 officers and did away with community policing, the most effective intelligence gathering tool there is?

        That’s not the way to go in the face of the ever-growing and highly dangerous threat of domestic terrorism.

        I could drift off the subject and mention other thins like the reduction in instances of stop and search, and the subsequent and concomitant rise of violent knife crime, but if I mentioned her every failing, of which there are many, this post would be too long.

        Tad

  3. Nig l
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Awful events. We have already seen the knee jerk calls to delay the election in effect meaning that these people’s attempts to interfere with democracy, will be successful. This cannot be allowed to happen.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

      Indeed, that would be an absurdly stupid thing to do.

  4. Lifelogic
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    It was indeed another appalling attack. I too send condolences to those who have lost relatives and friends, and wish all who are injured a speedy recovery.

    We should however not suspend anything, we should carry on as normal. Other than increasing our intelligence efforts to route this evil perversion of religion out that is. Hopefully before any more incidents.

    The terrorists want us to suspend our normal activities and doing so must encourage them further. The blanket media coverage also surely makes the terrorists feel, in their warped minds, that they are achieving something.

    • hefner
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:21 am | Permalink

      Seconded.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

      root!

  5. Cheshire Girl
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    I feel desperately sorry for those caught up in this, but is anyone really surprised? This could happen anywhere, at any time now. It will be said ‘ we are not afraid’. Well, I am afraid for my relative who lives and works in London. I am also very angry, and I believe the Politicians of all stripes have a lot to answer for!

    • forthurst
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 11:22 am | Permalink

      “I am also very angry, and I believe the Politicians of all stripes have a lot to answer for!”

      They are either traitors by intent or traitors by dereliction. They are 100% responsible for turning our green and pleasant land into a war zone.

  6. Lifelogic
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Ed Miliband given about 10 minutes of prime time by the BBC on the Today programme to talk complete drivel about Trump’s very sensible withdrawal from the Paris Climate agreement egged on the invariable BBC line and the interviewer. Trump is quite right and we should follow.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/decarbonisation-miserable-fantasy-hurts-planet-makes-us-poorer/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/05/no-one-ever-says-it-but-in-many-ways-global-warming-will-be-a-go/

    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 7:53 am | Permalink
    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:09 am | Permalink

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/01/donald-trump-right-reject-paris-climate-change-treaty-likely/

      May the Tories (and all the circa 98% of MPs who voted for Miliband’s absurdly damaging climate change act) need to get real and start to learn a bit about the real science, economics and engineering of energy. Not the religious/political movement of vested interests, “charities”, pressure groups, green loons and of the BBC.

    • Richard1
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:08 am | Permalink

      I have yet to hear any of these puffed up climate activist types actually address the points President Trump has made, rather than just waffle about “combating climate change”, taking “leadership” etc. Is Trump right or wrong to say that the Paris agreement is a formula for spending $1-2 trillion p.a for a net result of a reduction in global temperature of 0.2C or not?! I don’t know the answer but I’d be really interested in a substantive rather than a posturing response from the Milibands of this world.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

        Climate alarmism is essentially a religion & political belief system. It is all about emotion and very little to do with science or logic at all. The less people know of science, engineering, electricity generation & storage, predicting chaotic systems, complex feedbacks, economics and physics the more likely they are to have been taken in by it.

        So they just talk about “the concensus” and show pictures of extreme weather events, bogus hockey stick graphs and the likes ……. They are never prepared to discuss they real issues. There computer models have been proved to be wrong but still they continue.

        • hefner
          Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

          LL, you should stop always talking about models. Observations both from the surface and from a variety of satellites including infrared and microwave temperature sounders have shown temperature increasing and continuing to increase. (As a physicist I guess you should be able to understand the physics behind such instruments, and not have to rely on newspapers to get an idea about the validity of these observations, and certainly not from the various (il)literate chroniclers of your favourite newspapers and magazines).

          Maybe you do not know about these observations, more likely you do not want to know but talk to Australians, or check ice extent and thickness over The Arctic Ocean and Antarctica. These are not model results, they are observations.

      • stred
        Posted June 5, 2017 at 5:37 am | Permalink

        Re. the argument over whetherTrump’s figure was right or not, Bjorn Lomborg is a warmist and his response to criticism from the Paris supporters club are detailed and not widely known. If he is right, and it will be verified or not soon, the politicians who decided to spend trillions based on wrong estimates will look like utter fools.

        • hefner
          Posted June 5, 2017 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

          What is a warmist, someone like a communist, a socialist, another-ist?
          Bjorn Lomborg’s issue is not with the reality of climate change, but rather with the economic and political approaches being taken (or not) to meet the challenges of that climate change. He advocates focusing attention and resources on what he perceives as far more pressing world problems such as AIDS, malaria and malnutrition. He otherwise argues for adaptation to short-term temperature rises and development for longer-term environmental solutions.
          To call him a warmist just denotes a rather limited understanding of what he is proposing.

          • stred
            Posted June 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

            Just in case anyone thinks I have a limited understanding, a ‘warmist’ is someone who accepts the IPCC version of global warming. A ‘lukewarmist’ is someone who thinks the forecasts are probably wrong, as has been shown before, but some warming will take place. A ‘sceptic’ is someone who thinks it is all probably wrong. A ‘denier’ is what the religiously certain call sceptics who do not use the word ‘probably’.

            Lomborg is a warmist who thinks that wind and solar are too expensive and will barely reduce temperatures and thinks that we could find cheaper more effective ways to reduce temperatures. He is a political scientist and economist who uses existing computer programmes to show this and quotes other research from MIT with the same conclusion. Being controversial and disliked by the Green industry, he has been attacked in the past, but has a habit of answering criticism in detail and in the end being supported by other better qualified scientists. His analyses of the real problems of pollution and cost benefits should be read by politicians like Macron before trying to save the world the wrong way.

  7. fedupsoutherner
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Dreadful news once again. Will our lives become even more restricted by this action? Perhaps internment for those that we know are involved in radical behaviour would be a step forward. There are some that argue that we would lose the support of the Muslim population but surely, if they are supporters of the UK way of life then shouldn’t they be just as keen to get this problem under control? If not, then they are also sympathisers and those that are not British nationals should be deported. We do not need people like this in our country. They take the best we can offer and offer nothing but carnage back.

    My thoughts are with those who have died and those who are injured.

    • Roy Grainger
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

      Experience in Northern Ireland showed internment doesn’t work, it just further radicalises those interned who at some point have to be let out. Also it is just one of many policies which the liberal elite would refuse to accept (alongside ID cards, censorship of the internet, monitoring of emails, removal of citizenship and deportation of suspects and their families, all police to be armed, closing of mosques, closing of Muslim schools, complete travel bans for certain countries, charges of treason for returning ISIS fighters etc. etc.)

  8. Ed Mahony
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    God bless victims, family and London.
    Police, emergency services and Londoners: amazing.

    • Bob
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

      @Ed Mahony
      All the thoughts, wishes, hashtags and tea candles will not prevent further killing and maiming.

      Still, at least the “One Love” concert is still going ahead.
      I expect a certain TV presenter to be “defiantly” walking across London Bridge next.

      #Tokenism

      • Ed Mahony
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

        @Bob,

        ‘All the thoughts, wishes, hashtags and tea candles will not prevent further killing and maiming’

        ?

        Where did i say they would! (Stop picking on me!).

        I believe in the strong, justified use of force and intelligence and legislation to protect us from evil. Similar to how we defeated the evil of Nazism in WW2 (the British approach to the Nazis in WW2 was pretty much a copy book example , i think, of what the Catholic Church teaches in terms of ‘just war’ which also extends to terrorism as well, where as the Nazis (the leaders at least) approach to WW2 was pretty much diametrically opposed to how the British behaved in WW2 and to what the Catholic Church teaches in terms of ‘just war.’

        So, please don’t confuse me with bleeding heart liberalism!

        Regards

        • Ed Mahony
          Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

          And part of the attitude of ‘just war’ is to be guided by WISDOM (as opposed to blind passion) in why and how you use violence (and intelligence and legislation) to protect people from evil (without wisdom, the use of force and everything else can leave the people you’re trying to defend in greater peril in the long-term).

    • Anonymous
      Posted June 5, 2017 at 4:56 am | Permalink

      But London is protected.

      We in the provinces aren’t.

      God help us when the jihadis realise they would have much more time here.

      Armed police. Everywhere. Now.

      Old England is gone. Let’s stop pretending otherwise.

  9. alan jutson
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Thoughts and prayers with the families and loved ones of those involved.

    Time to rethink the policy we have at the moment with regards to terrorist suspects methinks.

    Whilst you may be able to keep a handful of suspected terrorists under surveillance, it is impossible to do so when those numbers are in the thousands.

    Given it takes about 20 people to keep track on one person 24 hours a day, when you have 3,500 suspects (a figure quoted by many who say they are in the know) that is 70,000 people needed which is the current size of the UK army.

    I hear some people on the news are suggesting that the General Election should be suspended, in my view that would be a catastrophic mistake, because then those who threaten us would be shown to be winning.

    • Robert Christopher
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:45 am | Permalink

      It might be a very long time before we get a GE if, every time we get a terrorist attack, it was postponed.

      And, at the moment, we don’t have any MPs.

  10. Roy Grainger
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    If the election is suspended then it sets a clear precedent for any group who wants to suspend an election – could the election be suspended indefinitely if there are repeated attacks ?. I am also not sure why campaigning is suspended – the parties should tell us what they are going to do to help prevent future attacks so then we can make an informed choice.

    • Narrow Shoulders
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 11:56 am | Permalink

      Yes I do not see the connection in an attack and suspending campaigning.

      The PM and cabinet are supposed to run the country during purdah so there really is no change. To respect the dead and injured (to whom my thoughts go out) we should go on as normal.

      The fuss about this concert in Manchester is merely further glorifying the original event. Don’t pray for whoever, get o with your western life which so offends these mentally disturbed people.

  11. NHSGP
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    You need to ask John Bercow about Westminster Bridge.

    I have an email I sent him saying that the Bridge was vulnerable to attack.

    I’ve chased it up with him and not surprisingly, he won’t reply. He’d have to admit that he received the warning and did nothing to protect the public

    The same applies up to the top of the met police.

    Reply The Speaker is not responsible for security on the pavements and highways outside the Commons. That is the role of Westminster Council and the Met Police

    • stred
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

      So, did he forward it to them? Don’t think so. Nice to be wrong.

      Capcha utterly bonkers this afternoon.

  12. Bert Young
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    The thought of going to London or to any other big town is horrifying . No matter how good the Police are and the intensity of their vigilance , events show there will always be gaps and the public suffer . Nuttall is right ; we have to tackle the basics and not turn our backs on the bad influences that exist everywhere in our communities .

    I am very sad for those who have lost their lives and have been injured . Tonight Manchester has to be 100% safe .

  13. Bob
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    You forgot the obligatory tribute to the emergency services.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

      They did seem to deal with the event yesterday very quickly and efficiently. I am happy to pay tribute to them.

      • Anonymous
        Posted June 5, 2017 at 4:03 am | Permalink

        It won’t be quick in a town location.

        It’s time for more police and for all of them to be armed.

        This country has changed and we need to admit it.

  14. Denis Cooper
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    I think David Davis may be wrong, at least in theory, and insofar as Section 20 of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 would allow the government to postpone the general election by emergency regulation without prior approval from Parliament:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/section/20

    Then the Queen could summon the previous members to form a Parliament to pass a resolution approving the emergency regulation, as per Section 28.

    Perhaps the government would prefer not to remind us that in an emergency it can use the route provided by this Act to overturn any provision of any other Act of Parliament except the Human Rights Act 1998.

    However it would be absurd to do that, in fact I don’t even agree that national campaigning should be suspended let alone that the election should be postponed.

  15. Prigger
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    There should be a suspension of all religious activity and ceremony today across the board. It offends many not involved, which is the vast majority.
    As for the suspension of political activity, I suppose the rest of us Tube workers, truck drivers, can suspend our own activities tomorrow and take our own day off work.
    Ms Thornberry says “we should be brave”. Possibly she is thinking of giving us each part of her armed, well batoned, police protection squad…and a Parker pen even if nothing happens.

    • Jerry
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

      @Prigger; In other words do what the terrorists want?

      As for Ms Thornberry’s comment, I totally agree with her, between 1939-45 people on civi-street in the main simply got on with life, went to school, work or the dance etc as best they could (yes some unlucky ones became victims to German bombing raids but the majority did not), there were even parliamentary by-elections…

      • Know-Dice
        Posted June 5, 2017 at 6:01 am | Permalink

        Jerry, I read Prigger’s post as a combination of sarcasm and irony – could be wrong though…

  16. Oggy
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Interesting, I’ve just watched the news for 90 minutes and it was all about the dreadful attack in London, and the words ‘Muslim’ and ‘Islam’ weren’t mentioned once until Mrs May’s speech outside number 10.
    I wrote a post here 12 days ago after Manchester about the use of political correctness after such events and the reluctance to say it how it really is because of not wanting to offend certain groups. Dr Redwood deleted that post which rather proved my point. Will you delete this one too ?

    • agricola
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

      You are not alone Oggy. I too have suffered the same PC censorship despite never having resorted to abuse or longevity. I merely drew attention to the evils of terrorist Muslim fundamentalism and offered some solutions. The establishment prefer to offer condolences, buy a bunch of flowers to lay at the scene, say how wonderful the security services are and then quietly forget it happened. The UK is at war, but those in power cannot believe it as it does not get to them. Bit like Winston saying “We can take it ” to a crowd of bombed out east enders.

    • Tad Davison
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

      Oggy,

      We should not be afraid to use the words that fit. One clip on Sky News last night included a few choice words from a person whilst he confronted the terrorists in a bar, for which Sky apologised. I quickly e-mailed them to say please don’t apologise, 60 million people feel the same way.

      Politicians really do need to get a grip, but so far, the only person to come out and say that we need to dispense with political correctness and call this terrorism for what it is, is President Trump. And he was condemned by the liberal left for wanting to put a block on these people until they could figure out what the hell is going on. Mrs May has made a vague reference to political correctness, but given the cuts in police numbers that she presided over, she lacks credibility.

      That’s the problem in this country, the politicians are basically yellow bellies who are too scared to speak out in case it loses votes, when I suspect a display of really strong leadership and firm words would have the opposite effect.

      Warm words, understanding, and platitudes as some leaders would have us do, won’t work with these Islamist scumbags, so the election is there for the taking!

      We need to get our country back more than ever now!

      Tad Davison

      Cambridge

    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

      Their religion is never are mentioned must be a ban on it by the BBC I suspect.

      One CofE Bishop whittered on about “we may never know why they do it” … they tell us exactly why they do it, you silly man, you just aren’t listening mate. Another one said the best thing to do was to pray!

      • Tad Davison
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

        LL,

        I was listening to Tim Marshall on Clive Bull’s programme on LBC this evening, and the former Sky News man gave an excellent account of why these terrorists engage in wholesale slaughter of innocents. He studied their propaganda and their stated objectives, and their intended aim is nothing short of world domination. The complete eradication of the freedoms and liberties we have strived for centuries to secure. It real is that stark and that dangerous, and it is time people woke up to the realities of the situation.

        We need people of steel in power, not weaklings. At a point in this nation’s recent history, Churchill was chosen over Halifax. God alone knows what the world would now be like had we been taken down a different path. Yet I look around at the present crop of politicians and I don’t see people with the necessary qualities of leadership that will deliver us from this evil. At least, not ones who are presently up for election to the UK parliament.

        That is very worrying.

        Tad

    • forthurst
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

      The problem is that ‘political correctness’ is enshrined in law so that if you are English you can be put in prison for your beliefs. The only way to get rid of political correctness is repeal the laws which enforce it, then perhaps, we can have an honest discussion about where are politicians are wrong and what they need to do to make amends for the great, possibly terminal, harm they have done to our country.

    • agricola
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

      To date no politician has stood up and offered a solution. Read Katie Hopkins in the Mail today. She sums it up perfectly and offers solutions that politicians including our host dare not speak.

    • Anonymous
      Posted June 5, 2017 at 3:58 am | Permalink

      One cult trumps all other beliefs.

  17. Jason wells
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    So mrs may has finally admitted that there has been too much tolerance to this extremist ideology. Next step is for the authorities to act resolutely. As i have said before in comments, it’s time for internmet now for the home grown types if on a police suspect list and for others originating from overseas countries, its time to send them home. Mosques that are preaching hatred should be found out and closed down- imams deported. We can’t afford to have people harbouring extremist ideology and seething with hatred and resentment at our secular society living freely in our midst.. it’s time to face this clear and present danger head on.

    • noughed out!
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 11:48 am | Permalink

      Jason wells
      The message I took from Mrs May’s statement is that we are one community, not several. The media have not confirmed my interpretation so perhaps I’m wrong, unfortunately. Our “communities” need to be told they will no longer be allowed to operate separate cultural, educational, religious, societal and political countries within our country. Otherwise we are in danger whenever any one country abroad is at odds with the UK.
      We never voted for diversity so the fault is soundly government.. Fifty years on, it seems they feel “Enough is enough” or is that yet another election gimmick? As Mrs May says, it can’t go on. Eight minutes response time is extremely poor for a place you expected an attack. A complete load of bollards!

      • anon
        Posted June 5, 2017 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

        Armed Response should be less than 8 minutes in Central London.
        Motorbike? Helicopter? Can we have some joined up thinking other than protecting the bubble?

        Anyone in first contact should run or fight? Your call – no judgement either way? What you cannot do is rely on politicians.

    • A different Simon
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

      Deported to where ?

      Some dim European country might take them but the Arab world generally are reluctant to accept trouble makers .

      • Jason wells
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

        Drop them into the sahara desert .. what does it matter where?.. give them a road map and a bottle of water.. more than they would be willing to give their victims if they had the chance

  18. E.S Tablishment
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Mrs May’s statement today was refreshing. It was not reported properly by the BBC and SkyNews who perhaps were unsure how to construe it. They may not have believed their ears… as they have been set in their ways of obscurantism and probably need reassurance from one of their superiors who’ll be taking Sunday off

  19. Backofanenvelope
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Arrest, intern, deport.

  20. Ian Wragg
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Mrs May is correct to say things can’t stay as they are so let’s have an action plan.
    We have acknowledged that it is Islamic extremism at last so let’s start interning the perpetrators and their bag men.
    Hanging should be reinstated for treason and terrorism without delay.

  21. james neill
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    During emergency situations, and that’s what we have at the very moment, like in wartime, the authorities have to be allowed to operate by different rules. In the interest of the common good and of safety of people its time now to suspend habeas corpus for the extremists and the promoters of evil ideology. One report today on radio says that more than 500 groups of individuals or individuals are being monitored by the intelligence services and the police. This is far too much for any services to cope with- its time to change the rules- time to get tough!

  22. Chris S
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    I see that even the BBC are re-running a Corbyn interview from last November in which he tells Laura Kuenssberg he is “not happy” with the shoot-to-kill policy in the event of a terror attack in the UK. What does he expect armed police to do when faced with terrorists absolutely determined to kill and maim innocent civilians ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-34836582/jeremy-corbyn-opposes-shoot-to-kill-policy

    It seems beyond comprehension that those people currently supporting Labour don’t realise that this man is a danger to our way of life.

    Never mind the veritable forest of Magic Money Trees, his rejection of the Nuclear Deterent, his support for the IRA and Hamas, his whole attitude to the government of the country means he just isn’t fit to govern. Diane Abbott is even worse.

    I don’t expect Corbyn to win but if the narrowing polls give him a decent share of the vote, the decent people left in the Labour party will never get rid of him.

  23. norman
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    1. Such an attack is a personal body-blow against all who love our country, so I believe its absolutely right to suspend election campaigning for a day or so. It would be so disrespectful to continue, and probably counterproductive, too.
    2. Many do not realize that this same offensive (overt form of jihad) is manifesting similarly all over the world.
    3. I imagine Mrs May will have heard many people on the doorstep these past few weeks and the of bland appeasement by politicians; consequently, perhaps, there was a refreshing note of realism in her statement from 10 Downing Street, today.
    4.The ‘devil will be in the detail’, and it will take great wisdom to get it right. Her statement today inspired some confidence that we are are now moving in the right direction.

  24. norman
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Correction: ‘concerning the apparent bland appeasement by politicians on the issue of Islamist terrorism;’

  25. Jack snell
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Also the war against isis in the middle east is going on for far too long now. it’s time the nato powers put together an army strong enough to go in and wrap this up for good. I really can’t undrstand how it’s all being allowed to drag on for so long

  26. Iain Gill
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Shame Trump or UKIP are not on my ballot paper

    The rest of the politicians are completely and utterly off the mark

  27. Peter
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Mrs Mays statement today was hopeless.

    ‘Enough is enough’. She then goes on to propose restrictions on the internet and longer prison sentences.

    Prison does not trouble jihadis. More snooping on the whole population does little to address the terrorist problem but impinges on the freedom of everybody else. Anarcho tyranny is paleoconservative phrase.

    When will see internment of jihadi suspects and deportations?

    If internment was OK in Northern Ireland for nationalists and loyalists who had limited aims and occasionally spoke to government representatives, why is not OK for jihadis who want a worldwide caliphate and are not amenable to sensible conversations? The Troubles are largely a thing of the past in Northern Ireland now.

    • Iain Gill
      Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

      Yes the half baked ideas about the internet are nonsense.

      Any idiot with half an idea about computers can spoof or encrypt what they are doing anyways. You would just push more people to do that.

      Trying to snoop on the rest of us is not going to help, and will definitely not be happening in the USA any time soon (freedom of speech is in the constitution).

      There are plenty of ways of taking on the nutters without hassling or trying to snoop or restrict the freedoms of the rest of us.

      If this is the best May can come up with we are stuffed.

      • Iain Gill
        Posted June 4, 2017 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

        (there is already plenty of snooping going on already lol, that will just be made harder if you push more people to encrypt and spoof, the attempt to push the problem away from the state and onto the internet companies is not going to work)

        (c) people with a clue 2017 ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Know-Dice
          Posted June 5, 2017 at 6:11 am | Permalink

          Too true Iain, also any attempt to “back door” encryption schemes will only result in banking and other needed secure applications being compromised…

    • stred
      Posted June 5, 2017 at 5:58 am | Permalink

      I tried to suggest a different version of internment, which would be helpful, less costly and not result in schools for terrorism- as prisons are at present. It appears that capcha took too long.

      The idea is to convert containers, as has been done in George Clark’s Amazing Spaces, into separate living accommodation, but locked and supervised. These would be sited locally, where the miscreants live and trusted members of the local mosque, shrinks and probation officers could visit daily until they could be trusted to come out and be supervised with a tag. No skunk or other psychosis- inducing drugs would be allowed.

      Perhaps the pc PCs and liberal bleeding hearts could be persuaded that this would not be too undemocratic is fewer people would be mowed down, stabbed or blown to pieces.

  28. Graham
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Censorship on the truth still on this site – JR just another appeaser politician – expected more of you but wrong again.

  29. Oliver
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    If there are 3,000 on the “serious” watch list, and it takes a team of 30 to watch one 24 hours a day, I can’t begin to understand why those 3,000 are not immediately electronically tagged, plus anyone else of concern.

    Exactly whose “human rights” are we interested in here?

  30. Iain Gill
    Posted June 4, 2017 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    The British transport police probationary constable who took on three knifemen with just a baton deserves a medal.

    • Cheshire Girl
      Posted June 5, 2017 at 7:05 am | Permalink

      Indeed he does. And the reason he had to do that is because on the ineffectiveness of the last few Governments to get to grips with this appalling problem. The only people who came out of this with any credit were the Police. Emergency Services, and the General Public who tried to help in any way they could.

  31. Anonymous
    Posted June 5, 2017 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    If this happens away from a heavily policed city the slaughter could go on for hours.

    Britain now needs armed police in all towns.

    • APL
      Posted June 5, 2017 at 11:16 am | Permalink

      Anon: “If this happens away from a heavily policed city the slaughter could go on for hours.”

      It’s irrelevant, as the slaughter in the Bataclan night club in Paris illustrated.

      The Police were standing around outside under the impression they were dealing with a conventional hostage situation, meanwhile inside the Jihadi’s were waging Jihad.

      And by the way, Theresa May’s response? Restrict the Internet for the 65,000,000 people who are by and large law abiding.

  32. a-tracy
    Posted June 5, 2017 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Why are your party fielding the Culture Sec unbriefed this morning and out of her depth? You should have known the questions about police numbers were going to come up, social media attack dogs are full of the ex-police commissioner saying May was warned, personally I feel the police response couldn’t have been better or faster in London and normal foot police just aren’t equipt to deal with these new threats, but ex-armed police were on twitter saying 1500 of them were laid off too. We send our armed forces all around the world to protect people well perhaps it’s time to bring a few home to protect us on the home front.

    I want more female MPs in top positions and I realise newer inexperienced female MPs need to be promoted but compared to Edwina Currie, Anne Widdicombe and Kate Hoey or even Harriet Harman they are coming up short.

  33. a-tracy
    Posted June 5, 2017 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    There was a young man arrested in London a couple of weeks ago with a large knife near Buckingham Palace, police weren’t treating it as terrorist related which in hindsight seems odd. What happened to this man?

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