Time to take back control

The Commons when it votes on the EU Withdrawal Bill has a simple decision to make. Will it take back control, as the majority wish, or will it seek to perpetuate the Puppet Parliament we have lived with for many years?

Will it side with the people, or with the peers? Does it understand the democratic mandate of the Referendum and the last general election, or does it think the EU and its most fanatic supporters are  right to ignore such votes, to govern on with ears closed to the views of the voters?

The attitude of the Lords majority is sad to listen to. So many of them who allowed or encouraged the surrender of so much of our power of self government to Brussels have been fighting a rearguard action against reclaiming our right to democratic self government. These people do not even have the excuse that they sold our freedoms for a good price. They paid to give our freedoms away. They sought nothing of value for us in return. We sent the EU billions, all to enjoy a huge trade deficit with them which we can keep outside the EU for no price if we wish.

The endless debates in the  Lords and the Commons over the past two years have repeated the depressingly negative campaign of  Remain. They have not lined up to say the UK should enthusiastically plunge into full EU membership, joining the Euro which is the central part of the project, and welcoming full control of our borders and migration policy by the EU.  They have not painted a picture of a more successful and more prosperous UK within the EU, and been unwilling to accept that the journey to political union would mean the UK being an important province in an EU empire.

Instead they have concentrated on the short term, generating a set of fears about immediate prospects for exports and imports, and claiming that their beloved EU will deliberately spike their own trade with us to prove a point. What kind of people do they think we are? Why do they think we would believe such nonsense? Why do they think we should be scared by the few wild threats the EU occasionally makes to fuel Remain dreams?

It is extraordinary that so many of the people  given the great honour of sitting in the Lords and helping make our laws have such a low opinion of what we can do for ourselves, and such a high opinion of the governing capacity of the EU. The logic of their view should be their own abolition, as they clearly think most of our laws should come from Brussels, and think the EU is a better judge of policy, expenditure priorities and regulation than we can ever be. It is time for the Commons to tell them this is a great country with great future potential. It is high time we are self governing again. That is what the votes on June 12th will be about. The Lords do have an important role to play in a self governing UK, but not in a region of the EU.

 

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89 Comments

  1. mick
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/969970/Brexit-BETRAYAL-Rees-Mogg-Labour-answer-to-Leave-voters-after-SHOCK-U-TURN
    These traitorous bastards will do anything to keep us tied to the dreaded dying Eu, well come the the next GE all mps who go against the the will of the people will be joining the job seekers , we are the boss and not your pay masters the Eu or the unions, defy us at your peril

    • Adam
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 8:53 am | Permalink

      Brexit belongs to the people & should be privatised.

    • Georgy Llewor
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 10:34 am | Permalink

      Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom in Heaven.

  2. Lifelogic
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 5:31 am | Permalink

    The attitude of the Lords majority is indeed sad to listen to. But look at the sorts of people who are elevated. Usually by the dire Pms we have suffered all my life.

    For every sensible person there Tebbit, Lilley….. there are endless failed politicians and dire civil sevants. Nearly all suffering from the usual group think of big government, pro EU, high taxes, climate alarmism and government knows best. May just elevated 8 more remainers for one Brexit one.

    • Hope
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:02 am | Permalink

      JR, the Lords is of no value whatsoever to the taxpaying public. Most substantive parts of law come from the EU and are not debated or revised by the Lords. EU directives and regulations go straight to quangos and local authorities bypassing parliament and giving ministers a firewall not to blame them. Stop the charade that it has a purpose. It does not. The same with the puppet parliament debating choices given to it by the EU or allowed to work within paremters as a cash cow servant to the EU.

      We read today how your treacherous PM May is preventing the cabinet from reading the Brexit white paper. Only Hammond and HMRC given access. This is in line with her underhand behaviour at Christmas where despite several requests from the DUP she only handed over the text at the last minute in the hope it would not be read. She willingly took the responsibility for the Irish border to keep the U.K. in the single market and customs union in perpetuity while a solution will never be found or accepted. Buying time to change our minds.

      May is an untrustworthy snake and is trying to fudge Brexit by remaining in by another name. May is prepared to pay the £100 billion to do so, give away territorial waters and fishing stocks, have ECJ rule over citizens here, immigration to continue and accept whatever other punishment the EU gives for daring to leave as an example to other countries. A person unable to keep her word or achieve one substantive point of leaving the EU.

      Corbyn has now betrayed his voters giving strength to May to do the same with hers so the voters have no where to go. Both are wrong.

      Rise up, take the first action and oust May. The people will rejoice. The traitor has to go.

    • Mitchel
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 9:33 am | Permalink

      And only yesterday we had one of their number,the Archbishop of Canterbury,in Serbia, telling the world that the “EU is the greatest dream realised for human beings since the fall of the Western Roman Empire….bringing peace,prosperity,compassion for the poor and weak,purpose for the aspirational,and hope for all its people.”

      • Zorro
        Posted June 7, 2018 at 8:10 am | Permalink

        Completely barking mad….

        Zorro

        • graham1946
          Posted June 7, 2018 at 10:05 am | Permalink

          Well, he does believe in things unproven for a living.

        • Mitchel
          Posted June 7, 2018 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

          As one columnist pointed out yesterday,he needs to brush up on his Ten Commandments:

          “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me”

      • Mrs Pauline Cannon
        Posted June 7, 2018 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

        He should stick to saving souls !!!

  3. formula57
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    Time too then to take back control of parliament and oust the undemocratic Lords who seem to think it proper to attempt to thwart the will of the people.

    • Hope
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

      Take back control from May would be a good start. Incapable untrustworthy useless person who has failed every policy issue ever given.

  4. oldtimer
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 5:49 am | Permalink

    The House of Lords has become, by its actions, unfit for purpose. The House of Commons needs to stand firmly behind its Referendum commitments or it too will become unfit for purpose.

    • Hope
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:08 am | Permalink

      Wrong tense, not future, past. It has become unfit for purpose and no use to the country. It only discussed drival over the last forty years, if it was important the EU would bypass both puppet houses. It is about giving the illusion of democracy to the plebs. Same as mayors and police commissioners.

    • Richard
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

      63% of MPs represent constituencies that voted to leave: http://www.leavemeansleave.eu/media/watch-owen-paterson-mp-prime-ministers-questions/

      LibDems, SNP & Labour are all fighting over the pro-EU / Fake Brexit vote.
      Dominic Cummings pointed out that, if misrepresented, many of the 17.4 million Leavers are likely to change allegiance.

      As JRM said: “There is no market for a ‘Technical Brexit’ “

  5. Posted June 6, 2018 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    Agreed. Two years with no progress.

    We need to take steps to stop the Lords from thwarting Brexit. A very much smaller second chamber would be a start. It has been a device for political patronage for far too long. Scrap the existing Lords and elect a new second chamber with far fewer members.

    That leaves The Commons. It is full of uncooperative Remainers. Maybe another election based on delivering a clean Brexit might be a good idea. It would certainly allow voters to clear out the dead wood.

  6. Freddo
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    Such shrill nonsense! The Lords are simply pointing out the empty promises of the Leave campaign. You never clarified whether we would leave the single market or not, you ignored Ireland, you claimed we’d land great trade deals easily – there are none – and you told lies about the NHS. The Lords are simply demanding that truth shall be the basis of Brexit planning, not fairy stories about “taking back control”.

    • Zorro
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 8:15 am | Permalink

      Rubbish! You have been told so many times…..

      1) We did clarify – Listen to Cameron and Osborne – very clear. Leave means leave the SM and CU
      2) We can’t sign trade deals until we leave the EU. Again this was made abundantly clear. You just don’t listen
      3) Any extra spending on public services will only happen once we leave and don’t have to give vast amounts to the EU!

      Can you not understand these very simple points?

      Zorro

      • Henry Spark
        Posted June 7, 2018 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

        1. You are very confused. Cameron and Osborne were not part of the Leave campaign.
        2. Well, name one country – one will do – which has said it is more interested in a deal with the UK than with the EU.
        3. And how will you factor in the billions we have lost already and will continue to lose as a result of the crash in our exports?

        Reply 1. Osborne was a leading light of Remain 2. Australia 3. There will be no loss of GDP

        • zorro
          Posted June 8, 2018 at 7:29 am | Permalink

          Bless Henry, I am not confused. I was just trying to hammer home the point in the vain hope that it might make an impression upon you!. Of course Cameron/Osborne were remainers BUT EVEN THEY said that a vote to leave would mean leaving the SM/CU. No ifs and no buts….

          zorro

        • libertarian
          Posted June 8, 2018 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

          Henry Spark

          Afraid your spark has gone out

          Osbourne was part of the campaign, Clegg was part of the campaign there is video evidence of them, Chukka, and may others all telling us a vote to leave means leaving the Customs union/internal market

          Why would a country be MORE interested in a deal with one over another? Why not do a deal with both?

          Er our exports ROSE ( that is WENT UP for the hard of thinking) by 9.8% YTD….

          You’re not very good at this are you

    • libertarian
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 9:20 am | Permalink

      Freddo

      What makes me laugh about Remain voters is their total lack of understanding of what the EU is

      Try to get this into your head

      The EU is founded on the 4 principals

      The Free Movement of People

      The Free Movement of Goods (internal market via a customs union)

      The Free Movement of Capital

      The Free Movement of Services ( never achieved)

      We voted to LEAVE the EU which by their rules and our referendum means LEAVING those 4 pillars of membership

      We can’t sign trade deals or stop paying our money until we’ve left

      Blimey mate you should understand by now

  7. DUNCAN
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    I can’t find the words to express my sheer contempt for the actions of both this thing they call the Labour party and the stain on democracy that is the Lords. Both entities have dragged our nation and its democracy into the gutter. Even people from my own party are undeserving of their place in such an esteemed place as Westminster

    To be elected to such a place and then work tirelessly to undermine its relevance and place in British life is beyond comprehension

    This is what the EU has inflicted upon the UK. That even its own elected representatives conspire to weaken the body to which they have been elected

    I despair at the indecent and immoral actions of some of our most important lawmakers

    It is shaming to see such appalling and contemptuous behaviour that British sovereignty and her democracy is treated like a disposable commodity

    We are indeed ruled by people who should be nowhere near the reins of power

    The aim is now simple. Defeat the Lords, get the UK out of the EU, smash Labour and elect a new leader of the Tory party.

    • Mark B
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 5:29 am | Permalink

      President Putin stated after the referendum that this would show whether or not ‘we’ can live up to the standards of democracy we demand of others.

      Seems he might be right.

  8. Mark B
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    Good morning

    Our kind host is on a bit of a roll. 🙂

    The HoL mirrors that if the EU Commission, in that it is unelected and therefore has no need to listen to the voice of the people. It sits in divine arrogance and to me, and I am glad to say an increasing number of people here, is showing just how much we in the UK have to go to becoming a full democracy.

    I have over laboured the point concerning constitutional reform, but I think it is high time the HoL were reminded that that particular wind of change is a bit more now than just a breeze 😉

    The HoC was formed by the people for the people. The Glorious Referendum of 2016 was a national vote not a constituency vote. The MP’s of the house may disagree with our decision, but it was OUR DECISION !

    No MP can stand on this issue and say that they are against the democratic wishes of the people bearing in mind that their job is gained from the very same principle. Therefore, to vote against our will is to expose yourself to the charge of hypocracy. Over to you HoC.

  9. Andy
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    Most of the Lords who voted against the bill have had long and successful careers and are experts in their fields.

    Most of the most vocally pro-Brexit MPs have little or no experience of government – the few that do largely failed as ministers.

    It’s a case of sensible grown ups versus ranting toddlers.

    • Edward2
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

      In your last post you blamed old white rich elite people for Brexit.
      Now they are your allies.
      Make your mind up Andy.

    • libertarian
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 9:22 am | Permalink

      Andy

      Every day you contradict yourself… Its almost as if you are completely and totally …..

  10. Denis Cooper
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    I am asking these questions about Theresa May and her government. I suppose it was always asking too much to expect politicians and civil servants with deeply ingrained pro-EU views to act against their instincts just because of a referendum result.

    And journalists as well, as most of the mass media has very willingly taken on a central role in the anti-Brexit propaganda campaign. For example, imagine if Sky News decided that as the people had now voted to leave the EU they would no longer co-operate with the eurofederalists in trying to sway opinion in favour of staying in the EU. Instead what they are doing is constantly giving aid and comfort to the EU and weakening our government’s negotiating position.

  11. DUNCAN
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    Just out on Guido – May betrays the nation and the Cabinet —

    ‘Theresa May has broken her deadline of publishing the government’s Brexit white paper in June after signalling it won’t now appear until after the EU summit this month. DD is kicking off and threatening a Cabinet protest. Guido understands the white paper is finished, ready and waiting to go but is being blocked by a combination of Number 10, the Treasury and HMRC. Downing Street is refusing to even share it with Cabinet ministers, despite requests to see it. This has caused almost as much annoyance as the – yet another – delay to the Brexit plan. It is a joke that the UK is going into the next summit with the EU having delayed May’s promise to give “precise” details about what she wants from Brexit by now. It is ridiculous that Cabinet ministers are not being involved in the process. This delay is yet more evidence Number 10 is fudging Brexit and putting us on a path to staying very close to the EU…

    • Hope
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:03 am | Permalink

      She wants the EU to sign off on it before the cabinet! May will then tell her remain dominated cabinet and the country what the EU has decided.

    • Bob
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:09 am | Permalink

      I predicted a fudge as soon as Mrs May became PM. It’s important to judge people (especially politicians) by their actions rather than their words.

    • Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:10 am | Permalink

      So that is part one. ‘Keep them in the dark for as long as possible’.

      You can fill in part two yourselves.

      Only a general election can avert catastrophe. If she survives a vote of no confidence nothing changes. If a Brexiteer takes over they still have a Remain majority parliament to overcome.

      • Bob
        Posted June 7, 2018 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

        \

        “If a Brexiteer takes over they still have a Remain majority parliament to overcome.”

        That EUrophile majority was voted for by the UK electorate.

    • Timaction
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 11:57 am | Permalink

      This is close to the betrayal/treason moment where the Government gives up its right to rule as it will no longer have the mandate of its people. We have clearly instructed Parliament and the Lords to leave the EU empire and take back control of our laws, borders and money. Trade and friendship, nothing more. May and her cohorts know this. So either she and they deliver 0r get out and call an election so we can put people in office who will. A Brexit champion in every constituency will do the job nicely.
      There will be trouble with anything less and the Tory party may as well cease to exist.

  12. rick hamilton
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Excellent comment and what a tragedy for our democracy that the ‘leader’ of our government will not say exactly the same.

    • Adam
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:23 am | Permalink

      rick hamilton:

      I agree with you. JR typically puts forward a splendidly-reasoned case. He leads closest toward the best way forward.

      The PM, as the titular leader, remains wondering & wandering among wilderness like a passive observer. She should keep in step with, & increase her pace, to match those fittest for purpose in the party. Only then could she begin to lead to anything better.

  13. Martin
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Back on Sovereignty? Well given that the Northern Ireland Assembly has been on an all out strike why is Westminster not legislating on abortion?

    Come to think of it is Ms Foster and her Union getting full strike pay from the taxpayer?

  14. jack Snell
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    You know anybody can put forward these arguments for debate and depending on your point of view can result in a totally different outcome. For instance the Scots might say ‘taking back control’ which was stolen from us in 1707 or the Irish in 1801..all would like to have control back in a nationalistic sense but we live in the real world where the movement of goods and trade, services, tourism etc etc is much more important to us and has to be facilitated if we are to live and prosper in this commercial world and move about as a people. Of course if you are settled MP in the HoC or in the Lords, well pampered with your estates and investments well intact and protected then that is different you can afford to continue dreaming on of an empire that has long since gone..and it wouldn’t be so bad if Liam Fox or IDS could come up with one idea about how they are going to rescue us by getting new deals that will compensate for our loss of trade with our neighbours- but so far they havn’t- I’ve already given up on DD and the chancer Gove, not to mention Boris.

    So you can take your slogan ‘taking back control’ and the other worn out cliches and park them where UKIP parks its 350 on the side of the bus probably under the heading of ‘Ourselves Alone’ or in the gaelic ‘Sinn Fein’- all pure British nationalistic bunkum! but sad really

  15. Original Richard
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Correct.

    Although we hold elections to form a “sovereign” Parliament who can temporarily until the next election decide our laws, taxation, immigration and trade policies etc it does not give Parliament the mandate to give away the nations’s sovereignty.

    The fact that successive Parliaments have been giving away the nation’s sovereignty (for as you say absolutely nothing in return) should have been illegal as it has been done at each new EU Treaty since 1975 without a referendum to provide that mandate.

    For the first time in 40 years Parliament did the right thing and sought a mandate for the loss of sovereignty but found that a majority preferred freedom and democracy despite being told over and over again that there would be dire economic consequences caused through the EU’s unwillingness to accept the result gracefully.

    As Mr. Hollande, the then President of France, said 07/10/2016 about Brexit :
    “There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price….”

    • Mark B
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 5:32 am | Permalink

      Good post.

  16. Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    Davis is now tired of the PM delays ‘putting sand in the engine’ on Brexit talks.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/970112/Brexit-news-David-Davis-Theresa-May-EU-plan-White-Paper-Downing-Street

    But still she survives.

    • Ian wragg
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:38 am | Permalink

      The ERG is being exposed as a toothless talking shop.
      It appears all is now lost and the referendum losers will walk away with all the prizes.
      I despair for the future of this once proud and independent country which is over run by unelected weasels and a Parliament stuffed with traitors.

  17. hans christian ivers
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    John,

    You are absolutely right about the Lords as they have presented themselves.

    The only problem I have with your debate neither have you presented a convincing argument , why a so-called “NO deal” would be so good for the UK as well, so yes there are some major e gaps on your side as well, if, I try to look at it very positively

    • Brian Tomkinson
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:32 am | Permalink

      Keeping £40bn and the UK government collecting tariffs on EU’s £80bn trade surplus with UK seem pretty good starters to me.

    • libertarian
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

      hans

      A “No Deal” as you put it, simply means trading the way the rest of the world does when they dont have FTA’s in place ( i.e. most of the world) .

      It would be good for the UK simply because it would be trade as normal whilst saving paying loads of money for access to a so called EU single market/customs union.

      In the meantime

      A clear majority of British firms are hungry to trade with non-EU countries outside the customs union post-Brexit, according to a new survey of 500 decision-makers. Most small and medium sized British companies say they are ‘internationally ambitious’ and wish to grow into overseas markets. New research from the International Business Festival finds:

      74% plan to to increase overseas revenue in the next three years;
      82% have a clear strategy for future target markets;
      Three quarters of firms describe themselves as ambitious internationally and well-placed to capitalise on global opportunities (77% and 73%).

      • hans christian ivers
        Posted June 7, 2018 at 7:29 am | Permalink

        Libertarian,

        This is great news but this they would have done and are already doing as member of the EU, as is all other countries in the EU.

        For example Germany sells about 4 times more to China than we do already, so no that could be done already and the new £ 12 billion you are talking about is a drop in the ocean.

        THe businesses I am involved in we have been trading with the EU and the rest of the World for years.

        Common Libertarian you can do better than that.

        • a-tracy
          Posted June 7, 2018 at 9:45 am | Permalink

          Germany has a massive advantage though don’t they hans, they concentrate their efforts on themselves and don’t stump up their fair share to the defense provided by NATO, with an extra 1% of GDP to spend on health or promoting UK trade instead of Defense we too wouldn’t be in such a pickle, we Brits always stand up shoulder to shoulder with people to defend freedoms and rights, we provide more financial relief in Jordan and Syria.

          Lots of our industry was closed down in favour of new plants in Poland and other EU nations, part manufacturers, milk sales were virtually handed over to France to provide in watered-down plastic bottles, we shipped our pig farming to the Dutch. We had to share out you see, the highers-up in Europe decided which bits they did they wanted to protect and we had to conform. The all screech out about Juncker and then threaten the UK with what they are going to do to us every day expecting us just to sit and take it, our politicians might be weasels and sell-outs but the people aren’t and they can’t force us to spend our money where they want us to, the EU is doing big harm to themselves at the moment with their threats, we’re listening but not in scared way they’re expecting.

          • hans christian ivers
            Posted June 8, 2018 at 8:58 am | Permalink

            A. Tracy,

            This is all a very good story you are presenting but blaming the EU, for everything just does not stack up, we have been a member for 45 year, we still have sub-standard education, infrastructure and health, so let us look ourselves in the mirror and not blame it on everybody else.

          • a-tracy
            Posted June 8, 2018 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

            Hans, I never said I blame the EU for everything, sadly areas with the most appalling state schools, bottom of the league primaries and High schools are in Labour controlled council areas with their unwillingness to change policies and procedures year after year after year in places such as Liverpool and Stoke endangering the aspirations of generation after generation born there. Thank goodness some areas are finally electing conservatives who become great governors and slowly make some changes.

            However 1% of our GDP over 45 years is a massive sum if it wasn’t Merkel wouldn’t be asking Trump for an exemption. Are you suggesting I’ve made up that as the word ‘story’ implies? Are you saying the UK that you imply you are a citizen of doesn’t provide more than our fair share to Jordan and Syria in relief camps and aid or are you just saying I made up that ‘story’?

            I wish the North did have an alternative choice like the SNP provided in Scotland then the main political parties couldn’t just keep giving them shitty policies, unconnected regions and airports, poor schools and lower grade hospitals who can’t even provide basic medical tests now for weeks on end, we’re paying more for less.

            If Brussels follow through with what they were reported to say on Monday and kick out UK troops we’re paying for, let’s put them in hot spots where the police can’t cope and restore law and order in the UK if the EU turn their back on our generous help, let’s put them to use to protect the growing numbers of old ladies and men attacked and beaten in their own homes.

        • libertarian
          Posted June 8, 2018 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

          Hans

          You’ve answered your own question. We can trade freely and easily with the world. By leaving the EU which by your own admission provides no benefit to us what so ever we can achieve 4 things

          1) The 92% of SMEs who DO NOT trade with the EU are currently spending £33 billion ( report by the EU commission themselves) on compliance & whilst there will still be some regulatory overheads it represents a considerable saving

          2) We will be able to negotiate our own free trade deals , currently leaving the EU to negotiate FTA’s takes decades and trying to reconcile 28 different countries needs is costly, time consuming and inefficient

          3) We get to keep north of £400 million per week of our own tax money to spend as WE wish

          4) The EU & the people that run it haven’t got a clue about the future of digital, creative and tech business. They are making massive regulatory errors with things like VATmoss, MiFID & the ludicrous cobblers that is GDPR , so getting out will give out high tech businesses an even bigger advantage over backward European countries

          Ive not bothered to list the recovery of our fishing & agriculture industries as these are so obvious

    • getahead
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

      From a previous essay by JR.
      “No deal gives us an awful lot of what we want. It means we can spend our money from April 2019 onwards without giving the EU any more of it, it means we get our fish back from April 2019, and we can have a better fishing industry. It means we can make our own laws, it means we can make our own trade deals, it gives us practically all that we wanted when we voted for Brexit. The only thing it doesn’t give us is a Free Trade Agreement better than the WTO’s Most Favoured Nation status with the EU. But I think the EU have got to work very hard to satisfy people that the deal on offer is a fair one for the UK.”

    • David Price
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 6:43 am | Permalink

      A WTO based relationship would be better than what we have now because people who we elect will be held to our priorities for our benefit as opposed to the EU where people we don’t elect dictate our priorities for their sole benefit.

  18. Paul Cohen
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    The present Goverment has not inspired those of us who wish to see it succeed, and has proved to be inept and the dispair of the Brexit majority.

    We need action now to halt this slide with a new leader and team even at this late hour.

    Something which is not aired much is the fact we cannot turn the clock back and continue with the same arrangement we have had with the EU- these would be much more onerous.

    Forget trade arrangements – we want our independence back! (and not seeing Barnier, Juncker and Selmayr on our screens anymore).

    • alan jutson
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

      Paul

      Have to agree, we have now become the laughing stock of the World, it is clear now that we have a leader that has no vision, has no strategy (other than surrender) cannot make a decision, and cannot even now describe an ambition or policy in clear words, she has had two years and has failed, pure and simple.

      All Mrs May has done is complicate what should have been powerful and simple negotiations to such a degree, that she does not even know her own mind, its all rather pathetic.

      Clearly someone, somewhere within the Conservative Party has to make a move to dump her before she dumps the UK in an agreement which is the worst of both Worlds with the EU.

  19. Paul Cohen
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    I have also cancelled my subscription for the Sunday Times (after 55 years readership) for printing fake news on front page of June 3rd , complete drivel and irresponsible aided and abetted by the BBC.

    • Adam
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:34 am | Permalink

      Response such as yours, in cutting their income, is effective in helping silence their nonsense. Well done.

    • David Price
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 6:46 am | Permalink

      I cancelled mine 2 years ago.

  20. Blue and Gold
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Your comment today shows how much the Brexiteers are losing the plot.

    You are sounding desperate.

    Public opinion for your type of Brexit is falling away.

    You are not instep with public opinion.

    Brexiteers try to snuff out any pro Remain comments ie Justin Welby’s thoughtful comments has been rudely put down by one of the nonsense, Brexit supporting newspapers.

    THE HARDER YOU TRY TO SILNCE US, THE LOUDER WE WILL SHOUT TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY.

    Brexiteers are do not appear to like free speech, as have found out myself on this site.

  21. MickN
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    It seems that No 10 are not allowing the cabinet to see their Brexit white paper. My thoughts are that it is just blank and looks just like a white flag of surrender to the EU which it probably is. How much longer do we have to wait for those letters to go in?

  22. DUNCAN
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Brexit is dead under this PM and we have you John and your colleagues to thank for such a calamitous and anti-democratic catastrophe.

    You and your colleagues voted for Theresa May to lead our party and you and your colleagues will be held responsible at the next GE

    It defies belief that this grotesque anti-Tory, pro-EU politician could ever lead our party and yet here she is defying the will of the people and what do we get from Eurosceptics in our party? Silence

    A huge thank-you to all those Tory MPs who will go down in British history as the people who betrayed their nation, its people and sovereignty to save their own skins

  23. Oggy
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    One thing I do agree with Jeremy Corbyn is his wish to get rid of the dire HoL.
    Maybe they (the Lords) should have thought of that before adding their 15 amendments to the EU withdrawal bill as failure to FULLY leave the EU by Mrs May will put him in Number 10 very soon thereafter. Then the turkeys will get the Christmas they voted for.

  24. DUNCAN
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Disturbing reports from Sam Coates that May’s Brexit adviser Olly Robbins is attempting to fudge the time-limit on Number 10’s Northern Ireland backstop. Brexiters had previously been assured that the backstop – which pledges to keep the UK in the customs union beyond after 2021 if no other arrangement is agreed – would be strictly time-limited. It is now being reported that Robbins is attempting to fudge the time-limit. If this happens it is going to be a Hotel California Brexit – we are never going to leave. This is going to kick off – it should be completely unacceptable to Brexiters…

  25. LukeM
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    So Corbyn and the Labour crowd have wakened up at last but now they want a special new Eu single market deal all especially designed for UK..amazing how politicians in this country think the rest of the european project are standing by and going to allow cherry picking or have your cake and eat it..it’s just not going to happen..we have been told clearly many times it’s not going to happen..by the 28th june meeting we will know for sure that exit from the EU awaits us 29th march next..all of this other delusional stuff about the irish border and special deals is just not going to happen..we voted to leave and we can be sure now that the EU bosses have every intention in seeing that we leave..information from brussels is that they are thoroughly fed up with the goings on from the british side..and who could blame them?

  26. Posted June 6, 2018 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    If the will of the British people is frustrated in Parliament it will provoke a constitutional crisis. Parliament will have to be evacuated, all renovation halted and a more suitable location for our non representatives found – the underground sewers of London possibly, or some disused building in derelict wasteland.

    They will have been seen to behave with the same moral delinquency as the Brussels despots from whom we are trying to escape.

    Who can say that this ultimate betrayal will not lead to civil unrest? (I was at Whitstable and a few handful of angry fishermen turned the harbour into a peaceful version of the French Revolution lol burning flags the lot. Bliss was it to be alive…)

  27. The Prangwizard
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Notice how Mr Redwood will not and does not criticize the PM. She is the the heart of the problem yet he is as incapable in his way as she is in hers.

    • Mark B
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 5:39 am | Permalink

      They need to keep the party together and show unity even if it costs the nation dearly.

      Our kind host I fear has somewhat over played his hand and has been rumbled.

  28. Alison
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    The words, “U.K. and EU regulatory standards will remain substantially similar in the future”, do not mean that the UK will hand over to the EU the power to dictate regulatory standards, nor indeed dictate the regulatory frameworks to which the UK should belong.

    These were in Mrs May’s Mansion House speech, and are quoted in Alex Wickham’s Politico article this morning. Also quoted from a mandarin: ““When we say ‘a deep and special partnership,’ they are not just flowery words” . That does not mean allowing Brussels to dictate regulations.

    Referring to Henry Newman’s ‘pragmatic’ view – accommodating the Remain voters. That is to destroy our ‘taking back’ control.
    No. No deal. No NI backstop. I’d rather gamble on Corbyn winning an election.

    btw I am in on the other side of the Channel at the moment, and interestingly, I am hearing a LOT of discontent and disillusion rumbling quietly, secretly, in EC corridors.

    • Mark B
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 5:43 am | Permalink

      Regulations are increasingly made at international level. All the EU does is basically copy and paste most of it and stick a, Made in Europe badge on it. What leaving to me means is being at the Top-top table alongside the EU making the rules whilst the llikes of Germany and France sit outside.

  29. Denis Cooper
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    I carefully took this down word for word from the BBC’s News at One on TV:

    “The European Union wants to know how the UK will keep the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic open …”

    So you see thanks to the utter ill-advised stupidity of our government it has now become our responsibility to do whatever is necessary to keep the border open, including anything that is necessary to prevent the EU closing the border.

    I suppose you could now describe Northern Ireland as a kind of “ransom strip” which the EU mafiosi can use to impose their will on us – “Nice open border you’ve got here, it would be a pity if anything happened to it.”

    JR, I wonder how much more of this you are willing to take, as far as I’m concerned I’m now at the limit of my tolerance.

  30. John Thornley
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    “They paid to give our freedoms away. ”

    Yet they themselves were repaid handsomely for doing so. Jobs for them and their extended families, remuneration on a fantasy scale, vast annual payments from CAP, land and eco subsidies, easy multiple home-ownership and BTL/hotel property purchase in the other 27, tax freedom, EU pensions – and on and on. “To him that hath shall it be given.” [Matt. 25:29]

    No no, John, they didn’t pay anything at all – au contraire.

    We are the ones who paid. They simply enlisted us in their self-enrichment scheme.

  31. Denis Cooper
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Specially for Mike Stallard:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/norwegian-pm-uk-cannot-cherry-pick-eu-membership/

    “Norwegian PM to UK: Why would you want our EU deal?”

    “… it would mean Britain continuing to abide by the four EU freedoms, including freedom of movement, as well as having no decision-making power in Brussels … ”

    And as Norway is not in any customs union with the EU it would also not be acceptable to the Irish government, fully backed up by the EU – for the present.

    • Mark B
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 5:49 am | Permalink

      The Norwegian government have been trying to get their people to join the Stupid Club for ages. So I would take anything from them with a pinch of salt.

      MASS immigration just does not come from the EU. And many EU nationals go home after they have made their money. Cheaper and better living at home.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted June 8, 2018 at 10:11 am | Permalink

      It’s perfectly true that mass immigration into the UK does not come just from the EU, or to be more accurate just from the EEA, but the part from outside the EEA could be controlled if our Parliament and government has a mind to do so while thanks to the EEA agreement the part from inside the EEA is beyond our national control.

      I have said in the past that most of those who think it would be a good idea for us to stay in the EEA belong to the minority who are unconcerned about uncontrolled and unlimited mass immigration.

  32. Alison
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Bruno Waterfield tweeted earlier today (6-6-18, c11:00 CET): “My understanding is Robbins has accepted that it would mean full ECJ/EU ….”
    It is not for Olly Robbins to accept or otherwise. This is not his role.

    • miami.mode
      Posted June 6, 2018 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

      ….Olly Robbins…..not his role…..

      Obviously this is the role that he has been allowed to adopt.

    • a-tracy
      Posted June 7, 2018 at 9:51 am | Permalink

      Who is Olly Robbins?

      • Denis Cooper
        Posted June 8, 2018 at 10:27 am | Permalink

        Theresa May’s chief Brexit adviser.

        Previously the senior civil servant in the Department for Exiting the European Union, until he and David Davis fell out so badly that he was moved to give his pro-EU advice direct to the Prime Minister.

        From September 2017:

        https://www.politico.eu/article/britains-other-brexit-battle-david-davis-olly-robbins-feud/

        “Robbins has a longstanding relationship with May, having served with her at the Home Office.”

        ” They are “unbelievably close,” a former colleague of them both said.”

  33. William Long
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    I agree very much with what you say, but one has to reflect also on why the House of Lords is now packed with time served nonentities, mostly retired bureaucrats who cannot bear to see a reduction in burocracy. Who put them there and why did they not do proper due diligence on their abilities and inclinations? The answer in far too many cases is the present and immediately previous leadership of the Conservative party.
    Mr Blair’s ill thought out and half-cocked reform of the House of Lords was one of the bigger messes of the Government he lead. It was done without any worthwhile consideration of how to replace the hereditary principle which was the obstacle that derailed all earlier attempts to reform the House.
    Although hereditary access to the legislature has become unacceptable in the era in which we live, it did have two real advantages which it is very difficult to get from any other system: first, it was a complete lottery as to what sort of person inherited a peerage; the fact that they were hereditary might make it appear that they all had silver spoons but the reality was very different and the range of interests and personalities was huge and unpredictable. Secondly, and very important, they were there for life and could say what they liked without fear or favour. Arguably the second point still applies, but not the range of personalties and still less ages. Under the old system peers could die at any time and their heirs inherit from 21, and many did.
    As we are now seeing, political patronage is not a satisfactory means of appointing peers and an elected second chamber, though superficially attractive to many has too many dangers of competition with the House of Commons. And most importantly membership of the House of Lords should not be an automatic reward for rising to the top of the second eleven.
    This is a situation that must be resolved but the present position is such a mess that assuming Mrs May wins in the Commons, she will be doing the present House of Lords no harm if she advises the Sovereign to create enough peers to get the will of the Commons through and she should not hestitate to do so.

  34. Posted June 6, 2018 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    We vote out and want out of it altogether so do your job may or go

  35. Grant
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Absolute nonsense..nobody in europe gives a shit what you think…blah blah..the europeans are only thinking about summertime..dah de dah..giive us a break!

  36. Chris
    Posted June 6, 2018 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Could true Conservatives take back control of the Tory party?

    Interesting article by Peston on Spectator blog on how May has effectively betrayed David Davis and that he could well resign, and very soon. Maybe he will, or maybe not. However, what was of much greater significance was the comment section and the utter disgust registered for the current leadership and MPs supporting her. They were viewed as weak, unprincipled, and more interested in looking after themselves and their Party, rather than working for the good of the country and upholding democracy. I cannot for the life of me understand how so called Tory Brexiter MPs can just stand by and see this disaster happening. I feel like saying “Have you no shame in betraying our country?”

  37. Phil
    Posted June 7, 2018 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Define “Member of the House of Lords”. At one time members were of the aristocracy, with in depth knowledge of their country, its needs and it’s People. How many have that in-depth knowledge today? How many have been given their titles for “services” to music, sport, social work? How does their “knowledge” serve the country? Perhaps, if it is the House of Commons desire to keep the House of Lords, then those who offer little or nothing, should not be given the privilege of sitting there. Industrialists, yes, ex-MPs, (maybe), but not pop singers and football players!

  38. Phil
    Posted June 7, 2018 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    Totally agree – but who is the strong armed man who is going to step up to the mark and put MPs in their proper place – servants to the People? They were voted in – they can be voted out – but at what expense?

  39. a-tracy
    Posted June 7, 2018 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    David Davis needs to run against May. His last hurrah. Better that than to be seen as a quitter.

  40. Simon Coleman
    Posted June 7, 2018 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh…Mr Redwood’s in a rage because the consequences of Brexit are being properly debated in Parliament (Lords and Commons). So what’s new! It’s you who doesn’t understand the Referendum and general election outcomes. Nobody voted for any particular type of Brexit in 2016 because no options were on offer on the ballot paper. May lost her majority at the general election having demanded more power to negotiate a hard Brexit. And the Referendum result was very close. All of which you ignore, while claiming to be a democratic politician! And let’s look at Northern Ireland. The Anglo-Irish peace treaty emerged from two referendums and is an internationally recognised agreement. Not that that’s of any interest to you. You just think it’ll all have to work around Brexit, rather than the other way around, which will be the only solution. Of course nobody believes that EU membership is problem-free. It’s just an insult to people’s intelligence to say that the colossal upheaval of leaving, with no clear road map to the future, is the only solution. You Brexiteers don’t possess the answer to a single problem thrown up by Brexit…and we haven’t even left. How about the dire shortage of fruit pickers from eastern Europe threatening to wreck fruit farms? Got any ideas about that? Your extreme Crackers Brexit isn’t going to happen. Get over it!

  41. a-tracy
    Posted June 7, 2018 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    ‘Brussels politicians effectively said the UK had no place in the future defence of the continent and prepared to KICK OUT key military staff. EU chiefs have told UK military staff that they will not have their secondments to Brussels automatically renewed after Brexit’. Express Newspaper

    Excellent, these are elite troups we’ve trained and are funding, let’s put them into London to make people safe again.

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